dv6t-61XX / dv7t-61XX Switchable Graphics Discussion

lol good job for missing the point entirely.

Perhaps I should make a more elementary analogy next time.

 

You're clearly confusing two very different things here.

So, you're saying that you're fine with having problems on a laptop that you paid $$$ for just because it's not as expensive as another laptop? Let's see if this makes sense. I'll use the same argument for a $5000 laptop: Your $2000 laptop deserves to be faulty because in comparison to a $5000 laptop, it's inexpensive. Compared to a Bugatti Veyron, an F430 is chump's change. So, does that mean the Ferrari is justified in having engine problems within the first week? Sounds stupid, no?

As you can see, a laptop being "expensive" is completely subjective. But one thing's for sure. If I'm paying any kind of money for a product, I expect it to work as advertised. And to be completely honest, a dv7t is by no means a"cheap" laptop. I expect a $1200 laptop to work well.

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Edit: And for the record, the Honda Accord that I owned before worked 100% correctly. I didn't expect something outrageous like having 500 horsepower because that's not what was advertised. But, what was advertised was that the Honda Accord would be a reliable car, and indeed it is a very reliable car.

I expect the same from HP. If they advertise a product with switchable graphics, then it should work regardless of what programs are running. This is clearly a fault. I'm not demanding something outrageous like the 6770M being able to run Crysis 2 at 200FPS. See the difference?

 

Cannot beleive this thread is still going on I only really play SC2 used to play counter strike 1.6 still do the odd time guess I will be out of luck with since it is only openGL TT. Still cannot beleive that ati/hp has not patched the drivers oh well my laptop arrives monday got 20 days to decide if I shall return it or not.

 

Is anyone having throttling issues when the GPU and CPU are stress 100%?

I ran MSI Kombustor in D3D11 mode at default resolution with prime 95 torture test (the option with max power comsumption) and that resulted in the CPU throttling to 1297 MHz.

Can you anyone else post their results?

Thanks!

 

Any update on this: have you heard back from BBB or HP?

 

Did you guys notice this:

"AMD RadeonTM 6700M series graphics offer enormous performance for powering DirectX(R)11 games and applications"



This is the NEW phrasing/marketing blurb that shows up under the "help me decide".... totally outrageous!! So instead of addressing the issue, HP is trying to sneak around it and go under the radar.... It is only us 'old-timer' buyers of the 6100 series that can pressure HP for false advertising. The newer buyers could be simply dismissed since "they did not notice"...

I am compiling some older screenshots and will send some of the jucier/embarrassing stuff to HP as well as to BBB soon... you guys should help me with this, even if you do return yor laptop before the 21st day!

 

can someone with the notebook try the catalyst control center 11.7 realy realse found here:

Guru3D.com Forums - View Single Post - Early build of Cat 11.7 (may or may not be for users)



rember to make a restore point before you begin anything since this is still a beta and most proably you will need to uninstall earlier realse of ccc

 

Pretty ridiculous. Im at a loss really about how the get the word out that the 6770m is crippled in this laptop (along with other 6 series cards). I even wrote to engadget to see if theyd highlight this for us.

Happy to help where I can.

 

These arent mobility drivers. Will need adser00 from that forum to mod the packages for us first.

 

I encourage everyone to make an HP account and write a 1-star review for their dv7t/dv6t noting the graphic switching flaw.

This is probably the most direct way of letting HP know that their customers are not pleased with their lazy attitude about fixing this issue.

 

I just one rated the dv6t. Encourage everyone else to do the same.

 

Please help 1 rate this product on HP's webstore so that potential buyers become aware of the problems. Link is in my first post. Let's hit them in their own front yard!

 

EXACTLY my friend: that's the way to go. Let's make as much noise as possible on other tech/IT-oriented, influential sites/magazines, blogs, whatever...

the review idea has been tried actually, weeks ago, and - no surprise - it does not work. My negative review has never made it, though I sent it 3 weeks ago... so definitely that's not something that will lead us anywhere...

 

also dont forget to rate all the one star reviews so that they show on the top there are about 10 reviwes on this issue so far i marked them all as helpfull

 

This is the mobility mod we need. Catalyst 11.7 preview.

Can someone try this on their 61xx and report back on OpenGL performance? For some reason my CCC refuses to update half the time.

[email protected]

 

This still does not change the issue. The fact is that AMD advertised the 6770m to be able to support OpenGL, which it does. Then HP sells a laptop which advertises the 6770m to be built in; however, HP is failing to inform the customer of its muxless design (which seems AMD is not supporting) and inability to function with OpenGL. This is false advertising to the max. I am waiting for someone to call shenanigans and file a class action lawsuit.

 

is the overclocking issue fixable?
also rated.

 

Not as far as we know at the moment.

 

Theoretically it should be fixable, provided the drivers and other necessary software could get their ducks in a row in the first place.

From a fundamental design perspective, there really isn't much different going on (AFAIK) between this new muxless 6770m design and an Nvidia Optimus implementation. Both dGPUs do rendering when called upon and pass the display information through the IGP to the display. Nvidia software is just more mature at this point, and GPUs like the GT 555m are overclockable.

Wait and see, unfortunately. Keep your fingers crossed!

 

it might take HP a long time before they fix the issue. It tooked them 6-8 months to come up with a BIOS update that fixed the sound distortion issue. By the time the update came out i had already sent my laptop for repair 3 times(to no avail). Since my warranty was running out, i sold my laptop for 700 and bought a the 2630QM dv7. Couldn't afford the XPS>

 

you need to uninstall the old ccc and then install the 11.7

 

Got some nice DSDT data today at Best Buy.

Llano+6750m and Sandy+6490m

dv6-6135dx: DSDT
dv7-6135dx: DSDT

 

Sorry for the noob question: so what can this info be used for?

 

Solving the lingering mysteries of the switching protocol

 

Only noticed now, but kurosawa79 started this excellent, informative thread here:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/hp-...xx-read-here-answers-switchable-graphics.html

 

I see... so any progress on your work? I am sure it is not easy...

 

this is the new driver for mobility its different from one on this website can anyone test it.
[email protected]

 

Hope not. They had it working just fine 2 months ago. HP can easily go back to that until they work out the kinks.

 

It took HP, 10 months to release the bios update that fixed the annoying grayscale screen fuzz on that affected the dv6 when using the AMD card.

I knew it was a software issue cause some sites were much clearer using Intel than AMD.

 

No, they cannot. The method from 2 months ago relies on a multiplexer to switch between the two GPUs. The 6100 series has muxless switching -- the multiplexer is not on the chipset anymore and all output is routed through the IGP.

 

Well, so far. Only 1 person was able to enable both dynamic switching and manual switching on his dv6 6000, even though he is currently using HP Stock AMD 11.4 but with an updated CCC.

 

hey cassandra, any word on how the laptop works with Photoshop CS3?

 

So it's not purely a software/driver issue which I argued against many posts earlier. There has been an actual hardware change.

Well, I ordered another one with the 30% coupon which should be built 7/29. I'll just keep getting one as a temp laptop and returning it until the issue is either resolved or I find a GT555M laptop that doesn't have the card gimped or someone makes the DDR5 version.

 

Tried it. It doesn't fix the issue but actually gives a nice boost in performance for the 6770. Went from about 6600 to 7000 in 3DMark Vantage. Will try 3DMark 11 a little later.

 

np5165, xps 17, and m17x have the superior ddr3 555m

 

The one in the NP5165 is 128-bit DDR3. The others are OK.

 

From what I've read on this web site the 555m is worse than the 6770m purely because ddr3 is a massive bottleneck. There was a thread about this

 

not having the stream processors disabled more than makes up for it. it may still be weaker than a 6770m, but you still get cuda, physx, and vdpau.

 

What do you mean having the stream processors disabled? The 6770m has sp's disabled?

And...99% of people dont need cuda or vdpau, and most popular games don't support PhysX.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...770m-gddr5-vs-dell-xps-17s-gt-555m-gddr3.html

That's the thread I was talking about - though the GPU might be better, DDR3 is a lot worse than DDR5

 

hey guys

sorry for the wait, getting distracted by the fact that I can actually GAME again, lol.

Anyway, did a bit of testing this afternoon. For ordinary photoediting tasks, like playing around with layers, using various layer effects, filters, contrasts, rotations, free transform, adjustments, resizing, etc etc., i noticed no performance issues and everything was perfectly speedy. The one thing that I did notice a bit of performance hit on was when I tried a radial spin blur on highest quality...that took a few seconds, hardly a LONG time, really, and its not an effect i've used very often, but yeah, that took a few seconds longer than would be ideal.

That's all i've to report for now, but if anyone has any specific tasks they would like me to test out, just lemme know :]

 

i was referring to this

gddr5 555m: always 128-bit, 96 stream processors
ddr3 555m: usually 192-bit, 144 stream processors

 

Really quite a shame they couldn't make a GDDR5 192-bit, 144 stream GPU... That would have been Nvidia's ace for this particular market segment. Otherwise it's a bit of a push between the two, with the 6770m better in some games, 555m better in others.

 

It's too bad you can't OC the 6770M in the 61XX series. My friend is approaching 15,000 on 3DMark06 with his 555M. From what I've seen the 6770M can do almost as good. It added into my decision to not have HP fix my DV7T-6100, unrelated 6770M issue, and just get a refund when I send it back soon.

 

I just bought an HP Dv6t quad Core with ATI 6770M 1 GB.

How I know which video card I am using when playing a game?


Games such as PES2011, BattleField2, Dirt3 will run with ATI or Intel?

 

You choose by running the game under "high performance" (radeon card) or "power saver" (which uses integrated intel)

only openGL programs will only use the intel card. all the games you listed use directx like most modern games so you won't have any problems

 

cheers for that Cassandra. Would you happen to use any 3d applications such as 3dsmax and/or Autodesk Maya ? Waiting for my laptop to be delivered this week and in light of this dynamic switching issue, was just wondering how it'd fare up with these programs and if you could test it out, that'd be awesome

cheers for the review with Photoshop

 

This is issue with the switcheable graphics is a lot like the issue with the sound distortion HP had before. It took them 8 months to update the BIOS and fix the issue.

on sidenote: I just ordered my laptop guess i will have to return. I do not want to buy an XPS because they cost a lot and DELL isn't as generous as they used to be with their coupons.

 

So this issue does NOT exist on the 60xx series such as the 6017tx? Because I've ordered it and I DO want to use Adobe CS suite products although not much.

 

No not an issue on 6000 series. Though I thought they were out of stock already?

 

Yep, mine was probably the last one in the country