Lenovo IdeaPad Y410P Owners and Information thread

when I called them, they told me only the SSD models have the m.2 port. Useless people.

 

So the issue with SLI in the y410p is W8.1 that caused the problem?

 

There are currently two SLI issues with these laptops

First there is a SLI issue in 8.1 for people who upgrade there SLI machines from Win 8. A vBIOS patch is available to fix that.

Second, there is also a issue with single card versions of the laptops not recognizing a SLI card after buying the second card separately. There is currently no fix for that problem but Lenovo is now aware of the issue.

 

Think maybe they did know and that is why they never released the cards and why they updated the site and removed the advertisement about it?

 

I idle at 50 and max out at 95 playing games.

 

I see. Thank god I am only using w8.

 

Yup, completely useless. I wouldn't believe anything they say. When I called them to ask if my old (Y470) power supplies would work with a Y410, the guy actually said it wouldn't because the Y410 was 120-240 v and the Y470 was 40 v. I hung up.

 

Please remember that for a brief few minutes, I was playing Just Cause 2 on my Y410p in SLI! It is possible on this laptop, the fault lies not with the machine, but with the ultrabay, which doesn't work in Y510p's (without initial SLI) either! Also, when I put the aftermarket gpu in an SLI compatible Y510p, the card somehow caused SLI to be disabled, along with the other Nvidia GPU. I am unsure if there is any way to fix this without sending the card in for a replacement, but I encourage anyone with input on this issue to visit the lenovo forum:

New y510p sli card not detected - Page 9 - Lenovo Community

 

So I just asked their chat whatever, and they said that there's a chance of a restocking before black friday/cyber monday. At the same time I got different answers with the m.2 ssd slot... one person told me they will not be offered every again and that the port has magically disappeared, while another told me that every y410p comes with the port.
What's going on ahhh

 

Did not read past this page so if what is say here is redundant sorry.

I have been selling developing and promoting SSD since 2006. So I know a few things.

These computers run on SATA bus not PCI-e so a PCI-e SSD would not work. This is a SATA 6G M.2.

The Phison S9 controller is one of the worlds first 4 channel SSD controllers meaning it is purpose built to go along with 4 flash chips (the exact number of chips that can fit on an mSATA or M.2 42mm board without wacky modifications). Consumer level 2.5" SATA SSD have 8 and 16 channel controllers giving them double the bandwidth. We use the highest quality Toshiba toggle asynch NAND and the S8 controller to produce speeds that rival that of like density 2.5" drives.

MyDigitalSSD

 

In that post I was referring to the Crucial mSATA which has an 8 channel controller on board but only 4 chips can fit. That is why you notice such a big difference in performance .vs the 2.5".

Also all mSATA counterparts to same density same controller 2.5" are substantially slower. But who cares as they are so much faster than an HDD you cannot tell the difference under use. Hence forth my comments comparing I forget what it was exactly but something to the effect of a Geo Prism HDD, NASCAR sprint cup car mSATA/M.2, F1 car 2.5" SSD.

There is no way to fit more chips on the board without layering them which will effect the thickness. If the above info is correct about the intel 256gb product then they could easily make a 512gb. I will look into that further.

Update: Ok sorry guys no 512GB Intel mSATA in the future. Looks like a max of 4 chips can be used on-board like I thought and then they use Intel and LSI wizardry to make those chips act like separate NAND (interleaving). Looks like it can decrease latency. Got an email into Phison to see if we can do this wizardry This may artificially increase performance in benchmarks though. Just an FYI. In other words after you burn in or reach steady state with your SSD you may see a huge drop in these numbers in real world performance. And I am not talking a small drop I am talking up to 80-90% on the random 4K side compared to the out of box benchmarks.



MyDigitalSSD

 

Yes but they use 2 channels per chip, thus using all 8 channels and it is the exact same speed as the 2.5". There is no performance difference...

 

There is no 2.5" part in the 525 series. And there is a performance difference in the Cricual 2.5" vs. mSATA line even out of box. But I guaranty after burn in the mSATA will perform slower than the 2.5" because one has real 1 to 1 channel to chip performance vs. artificially splitting chips up to make the channels. In fact I am ordering a C500 mSATA right now it uses interleaving as well I would like to see what happens after burn in testing. I think a blog post may be in order.

MyDigitalSSD

 

The Intel 525 is the same design/controller as the 520 2.5", with slightly newer firmware, and it performs neck in neck if not slightly better than the 520 as you can see here: AnandTech | The Full Intel SSD 525 Review: 30GB, 60GB, 120GB, 180GB & 240GB Tested

Also, Anandtech disgrees with you on a performance difference between Crucial 2.5" vs mSATA: AnandTech | Micron C400 mSATA (128GB) SSD Review
Direct quote from the review: "The best part of the C400 mSATA? Identical performance to its 2.5" counterpart" Edit: ack, that's Micron not Crucial, how confusing is that, Micron product is C400 Crucial is M500 lol they got it backwards.

Here is a decent primer on interleaving and multi-plane, few years old so I'm not sure how much has changed, but the Phison S9 supports both interleaving and multi-plane, might be worth investigating: http://www.micron.com/~/media/Docum...sh_mem_summit_08_rfisher_optimizing_flash.pdf

Edit: Also looks like the Crucial M500 is using 128Gbit NAND packages and thus is available in the 480 GB size in both mSATA and M.2, and as Intel and Micron make their NAND together a 512/480 GB Intel 525 might happen if they bother to switch to the 128Gbit NAND (probably won't though as the page size went up to 16k).

Edit2: I think what may be confusing you is difference between NAND package and NAND die. A NAND package (the chip you see on the board that mSATA can only fit 4 of) can contain multiple NAND die. The dies are addressable independently, that is how they can run more than 1 channel to a NAND package and do interleaving. Take a look at the chart in this review: http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/storage/57861-crucial-m500-ssd-240gb-960gb/
You can see the 2.5" M500 has 16 NAND packages for 240, 480, and 960, each of those drives will have 16 spots on the board filled, the difference in capacity comes from the number of die per chip. I haven't been able to find the specs but I would assume the mSATA versions are using 4 package x 4 die for the 240 GB and 4 package x 8 die for the 480 GB.
This lines up with the specs I posted for the 525 flash above, this review has a chart of the NAND Packages Number/Die per Package/Package Capacity breakdown: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6725/the-full-intel-ssd-525-review-30gb-60gb-120gb-180gb-240gb-tested

Edit3: OK after some thought you won't be able to do interleaving with the Phison S9 is your setup. While it does support interleaving, it only has 4 channel support AFAIK, so interleaving would only be beneficial on the S9 with 2 NAND packages so you can populate all 4 channels, with 4 NAND packages I think you're already maxing the channels. Maybe I'm wrong though. Multi-plane is still worth a look though if your NAND supports it.

 

sorry, stupid question, figured it out

 

Anyone else getting BSODs in windows 8.1 in Battlefield 3 after the Nvidia GPU update???

igdkmg64.sys DRIVER_IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL

 

What do you do when your y410p completely froze? I could move the cursor but it was unresponsive.

 

Just playing normally... fixed the problem though. It's to do with the HD4600 drivers not being Windows 8.1 compatible. Just update the drivers and it works.

 

Just wondering if my screen flicker when CPU temp reached 90c.

And the CPU speed does not reduce....what does it means ? It supposed to reduce when high temps right ?

 

One of my y510p's speakers, left one to be exact 'broke' and by broke I mean it makes that annoying "low quality" noise on some tones. Don't know how to explain it better than that. Has anyone else encountered this ?
I have it for 3 months now, worked great before 2 days ago.

 

my right speaker has that noise on certain tones too. Not sure how to fix it, but its not that bad since it only happens when I play music out of it and it only happens sometimes.

 

Hello Everyone

I've had my Y400 for awhile and have just recently found the need to do more traveling with it. Battery life is a bit more of a concern for me now. I know I've seen some posts here about battery upgrades, but I can't seem to find them again.

My question is: Is this battery an upgrade over the stock Lenovo Y400 battery or just a replacement part?

IdeaPad Y400/Y410P/Y500/Y510P 6Cell Battery | Lenovo | (US)

If it is an upgrade, has anyone used it and what sort of increase does it offer?

If not, is there even an upgrade option available?

Thanks.

 

The stock Y400 battery is 62w/h, the advertised one you pointed is 72w/h.

 

I am also hoping that Anker will release 9 cell battery that will fit y410p.

 

Any Y500 battery is compatible with the Y410p, Y400 and Y510p and vice versa.

 

I'm not seeing ANY Y series batteries on Anker's site.

 

Y410p now ships with AC Wifi on select models!

 

Even more interesting is that the Centrino 7260 uses the M.2 interface.

BOOM! The Y410P DOES support pci-e thru the m.2 port.

http://ark.intel.com/products/75439/intel-dual-band-wireless-ac-7260

Edit: It appears the 7260 is available in either M.2 or mini pci-e. Hmmmm.

 

Eh? So where would the 24GB M.2 SSD go? And what's gonna occupy the empty mPCIe slot? I think you're reading a little too much into things.

Edit: Never mind because of your edit.

 

hey guys, has or does anyone know if its possible to buy this laptop from the lenovo site internationally? since they dont ship internationally I was planning on using a freight forwarding service to send it from the US to australia, but when I was in the process of purchasing it before I couldnt actually place the order because they only accept american express not mastercard, any info would be great because imo this is the best bang for your buck laptop in my price range

 

It's not the Intel 7260 AC. It's the Intel Wireless-N 7260: Intel® Wireless-N 7260 Plus Bluetooth*: Product Brief

Even though it's the same features as the Intel 2230, the 7260 uses different drivers which is more compatible with Windows 7 and 8.1 (less connection drops with higher speed). I have the Dual Band N version which is basically the same except for the 5 GHz band capability.

Also all of the 7260 variants are essentially 7260 AC with different assigned "Hardware IDs" so if one can hack the drivers, one can turn the 7260-N to 7260 AC!

I've seen people post that on Linux, the 7260 N turns to 7260 AC and people can connect and see the 5 GHz radio on Linux while not on Windows.

 

So Intel gimps their own drivers for a quick buck?

 

I think so. From this post, http://forum.notebookreview.com/net...ireless-n-7260-behavior-linux-vs-windows.html , it seems that the OP purchased the Intel Wireless-N 7260 (no 5 GHz) but on Linux, he/she was able to connect and see the 5 GHz band.

Here's the quote that I'm referring:

He didn't specify that it can connect to AC specs, but I'm pretty confident that if he/she can connect to AC specs if he/she had an AC router.

It makes sense for Intel to just make the AC version of 7260 then tweak the firmware / drivers to make it "less featured" to reduce manufacturing costs. At least if there's a really talented person who can create a driver / firmware mod so that we can convert a cheap 7260 N to the top of the line 7260 AC.

 

Doesn't matter, i'm not intending to purchase those Intel POS Wifi's anyways. Especially since they don't work in Mac OS X, been wanting to hackintosh this laptop for quite a while now. Heard Mavericks runs very nicely as long as you don't need the GT750M and have a 3rd party non-intel Wifi.

 

If the Broadcom didn't cost $100, you would've had your Y410p hackintoshed already or in the mean time you can use the Dell Broadcom a/b/g/n dual band card for ~14 dollars.

 

M.2 is designed yo allow two technologies to cohabitate a single PCB. So in my head at least, the mini pci-e is empty and the M.2 port is working some overtime hosting both cache and wifi.

 

I had the ideapad y510p for a day but returned it one because the keyboard was popped out () but two also because the wifi was terrible with the n2230. I see that lenovo is shipping a y410p with Intel® Wireless-N 7260 (802.11bgn) -- has this one been more reliable for people?

 

Well i'm still using the 2230 and it's plenty reliable.

Also Y510p's also ship with the 2230, just buy from 'Novo.

 

For me and *a lot* of ot her people it was not reliable If the n7260 is more reliable id rather go that

 

I meant 7260 in my 2nd sentence.

 

Hey guys,

I'm gonna buy a laptop and I ended up choosing either Lenovo y410p, or y510. Then I read everywhere that there is a big problem with wifi and connectivity with these two models. It seems most problems are with n 2230, but I don't know if the n 7260 one still has problem or it's completely reliable.
Now the y410p model with 1600x900 display, Intel® Wireless-N 7260 is almost $800, is it a good deal?

 

The best deal.

Read my post here if you want to get it for $780.

 

Thanks, but what about my first question, do you think N7260 still has problems?

 

Hi all.
After some time I will buy a new laptop. I decidet i will go with 410p.
I have one question. If i will buy 410p without 24 cache, will i have M2 connector present? So i can go and buy MyDigitalSSD Super Cache2 128GB and install system on it?
Or i do have to buy it with 24GB cache?

I found, that MyDigitalSSD Super Cache2 is 99 USD for 128GB

Thank you for reply.

 

It should be better than the 2230.

Don't risk it. Buy a model with the 24GB SSD.

 

Buy the SSD model and sell the SSD on eBay for 20-40$.

 

Thank you for the reply. I did order the 24GB cache one and also 128GB m2 disk

 

I've received my y410p (24gb cache ssd model) few days ago, everything's fine so far but I have a question: I've run few diagnostic tools/softwares (HWMonitor Pro, Speccy64, PassMark Performance Test, CPU-Z) and every one of them found 4 memory slots (2 used and 2 free). I tried to open it to check but it seems pretty difficult so until I some more appropriate tools, I thought maybe some of you could share from your experience.
Also, I tried to find the exact specs for motherboard - Lenovo 20216 (U3E1), but I didn't find anything useful concerning memory slots.

Thank you and sorry for my english

 

Two memory slots, trust me.

 

I just ordered that one myself. I got a defective 510p a few days ago from newegg, hopefully better quality control on this one (keyboard was popped out, wifi sucked but that was just a feature of the horrible 2230 card)