Lenovo IdeaPad Y410P Owners and Information thread

Sweet! I already set mine up with adobe and autodesk and its running smooth (on windows 8)

 

Will any SSD work or is there something specific I should look for?
Size/fit issues or connectors or anything

 

Yeah, Ubuntu is not that smooth. I think i will go back to Windows for now. Ubuntu is starting to crap on me

 

Alternatively you can buy the 128GB M.2 from MyDigitalSSD

 

Hmm can you please elaborate the difference with that and a regular ssd?

 

Regular 2.5'' SSD will be faster and cheaper, but the M.2 SSD is a lot smaller and will allow you to keep your current HDD and won't force you to reallocate anything to the ultrabay.

 

What is the max battery life that you have had?

 

You have the option of the m.2 ssd. Should you choose to go with a regular SSD any of them should work. I opted for the regular SSD because I wanted it. It is really up to you.

 

Mine came with the port and I ordered it without the m.2 SSD. For the cost I would have paid and the amount of space, I opted for the full SSD and replaced the spin drive. I will be getting a hard drive caddy to utilize the other drive since I rarely use DVD/CDs anymore.

 

I am disappointed to report that the Ultrabay GT750M that I purchased from Lenovo does not work with either my Y410p nor my friends Y510p! Unless there is a driver update or something, but I imagine that it is beyond my ability.

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So it's really looking like there's some hidden feature in bios that's locked for laptops that ship with no initial sli configuration...
way to screw the pooch on that one.
Also is 128gb m.2's about as big as they're gonna get?
I also heard talk of more usability in the small port as it supports pcie anyone know what's going on with that

 

There are a second VGA update driver bios for y410p in the driver support from Lenovo

You tried this ?

http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/downloads/detail.page?DocID=DS038407

 

First day of having my laptop was going smoothly. Until my trackpad stopped working! I opened up HWMonitor to check my temps, and as soon as it opened, the trackpad stopped completely. Everything works fine with my mouse, but it's a no-go with the pad. Anybody have any ideas?

 

In benchmarks the m.2 is slower than a 2.5" because it runs on 4 channels vs. 8 channels but I can assure you you won't be able to tell the difference at all under use. Going from HDD to m.2 SSD to 2.5" SSD is like going from a Geo Prizum to an Indy 500 Car to an F1 car. But if you ask me the M.2 is a whole lot easier and all for some pocket money. Also your computer will run cooler and your battery will last longer. Our M.2 has left everyone that has one very satisfied even super users. Try one if it's not for you return it.

 

There's the Fn + F6 key that SHOULD enable/disable the touch pad, but it doesn't seem to have any effect.

 

I have not upgraded to 8.1, so this won't help much. I have heard other people have had no luck with 8.1 either, but its worth a try.

Hopefully Lenovo lets me return it, or else I better find a private buyer on ebay.

 

Just want to ask your advice on this.

I've tried stressing both my GPU and CPU 100% to quickly stimulate heavy gaming situation.

I found out that whenever my CPU reaches 90c , My screen will eventually flickers and turn black.

(Before i sent my laptop for repasting service last time my laptop will only flicker when about 95c.)


Real life situation is like playing BF3 @1080p for 30mins or more will cause this issue.

So i'm pretty sure is my CPU issue as I tried stressing the GPU alone and there is not flickering at all , add in CPU and it's flickers

Can I rule out HEAT as it's not close to the max TDP of 100c.

Send to service again , or there is a workaround

 

Okay I have a few question about my new Y410P that is on the way. I purchased the model with the 24GB M.@ cache drive and the better res screen. I bought this laptop because my old Gateway M-6862 is on it's last leg.
1. Is there a step by step telling how to go about backing up my d:// drive?
2. Would Rome II play on this laptop and is it worth getting?
3. How hard is it to install Windows 7, looks like alot of user are doing this.

Yeah, I am noob. I used the Gateway mostly for Photoshop and Lightroom, I know this rig is way over kill for these programs but the price was right.
Thanks,
Jake

 

1. Your d:// drive? Don't you mean the LENOVO partition? Just copy the files on an external device. That's it.
2. Notebookcheck says you should be able to play on high at over 60FPS, but not on Ultra.
3. You will need to do a clean install, back up your LENOVO partition, extract your serial key with a program like Belarc Advisor and deactivate Windows 8, then erase the HDD and install Windows 7, grabbing the drivers from Lenovo.com When installing W7, remember to disable UEFI and Secure boot in the BIOS.

 

There is a large thread over at Lenovo support forums about this (I started it). There are about 10 of us who bought second cards and they are not being detect. There is currently no fix (we have tried EVERYTHING imaginable) but one of the people on the forum says he knows a friend with the SLI version of the y510p and he is going to try his new card in his friends laptop to see if it works. If it does then we know it is a bios issue. I am waiting a on a new card to see if that fixes the problem as well.

 

If it's a BIOS issue then the SLI owner could just dump his BIOS, and then a non-sli could like flash it onto theirs...

This should be done at risk, however.

 

Agreed, but if we can prove it is a new bios that is needed then we can get the support guys over at lenovo to address it hopefully.

 

Bad idea. The BIOS contains your Windows license, serial numbers, service tags, UUID, etc. Best to find out what settings are different and apply them to your machine.

 

That is the problem, the settings that are needed are most likely not user accessible (if it is a bios issue). Hopefully we can show that it is a bios issue and get a new bios released for us non-sli people so we can use our sli cards.

 

So glad I stuck with the Y400, lol.

 

4 PCI-e channels vs 8? What are you talking about? That would make no difference at the speeds your drive can do. Besides Intel chipsets now have SATA integrated into the PCH there is no PCI-e lane involved. Wish you would have let me do your review, CrystalDisk and ATTO only are pretty weak, and not sure why the 128 GB drive performs the worst...?

I'm holding out for an NVMe drive, Samsung should have one out first, hopefully soonish, and hope the Lenovo supports it.

 

Same with my Y500.

He's talking about NAND channels not PCI-e channels. What are you talking about? Perhaps it would be wise to show a little decorum and not act so confrontational toward an SSD company representative who probably knows more about the technology than you ever will.

 

Yeah I was that guy who said he has a friend, but neither of us know how to do anything BIOS related, other than access it, and are definitely not willing to flash anything risky. I imagine that if the card were to work in the Y510p SLI, all that would be required is to insert the card and boot up, correct? I will probably try it later today, but I need to know ahead of time what to look for and screenshot.

 

What does m.2 have to do with the number of NAND channels available? I assume now he is talking about specifically about his Phison controller products. In his post he did not specify this, just said "the m.2 is slower than a 2.5" which is entirely untrue, m.2 has the capability to go way way faster than SATA interface allows, and even without NVMe is the exact same speed.
And that MyDigitalSSD dude has made it apparent he's not that technical, I probably do know more about the technology than he does.

 

The speed of the NAND will, in the end, bottleneck the SSD. Basically, even if PCIe SSD would come out tomorrow (and they would fit your machine), they would still be bottlenecked by the speed of their actual NAND, so there would be almost no difference by using SATA. On top of that, SATA (both 2.5 and M) drives are mass-manufactured, which makes them cheaper and easier to get.

 

Dafuq?
SSD squential read and write speeds are absolutely bottlenecked by SATA. That is why pretty much all modern SSDs are hitting 500 MB/s wall for sequential read and write.
This is why NVMe was developed in the first place, and why desktop boards are moving to SATA express and laptop to m.2. NVMe is PCI-e, the whole point was to get rid of the SATA bottleneck.

 

Further proof MYDigitalSSD guy doesn't know what he is talking about, see this post here where he says the same thing, this time more clearly he is not talking about just his products: http://forum.notebookreview.com/sol...rucial-m4-128gb-msata-vs-ssd.html#post9102460

Then tell me is Intel lying about the mSATA SSD 525?
Total Flash, Die Count, Channels/Interleaving, NAND Part No.
32 GB, 4, 4x1, 29F64G08LCME2
64 GB, 8, 8x1, 29F16B08MCME2
128 GB, 16, 8x2, 29F32B08NCME2
256 GB, 32, 8x4, 29F64B08PCME1

 

So you're telling me you know more about his company's products than he does? OK armchair expert...

So? Random performance is still bottlenecked by the NAND and the controllers. Sequential performance isn't anywhere near as important for real-world use cases.

How about you just GTFO and stop taking stuff out of context because his original post was right?

 

There is nothing in the bios to check for (people have already looked). If there is a difference in the bios between the two models then it is a hidden setting. Just put your card and and reboot. If it shows SLI as enabled in the nvidia control panel then you know it works.

 

Uhh, I pretty conclusively proved his post was full of crap but whatever, go on believing mSATA can only do 4 channels and it is "slower". 5 min of googleing would show that multiple manufacturers make mSATA SSDs that are the exact same speed as their 2.5" counterparts.

 

And you've got an axe to grind with a post he made 11 months ago when the situation was probably different...why?

I don't go back to old posts from 2007 and rip on people who said you couldn't put a quad-core CPU in a notebook. This doesn't make you right, it just makes you look dumb.

 

Because he made the same post in this thread yesterday. No where does he quilalify that he's talking about his products, which confused me into thinking he was talking about PCIe. I brought up the old post to demonstrate that he is probably still operating under the mistaken assumption that all mSATA and m.2 cards only use 4 channels. Also BTW 8 months ago when he posted that the Intel 525 that I posted was out, the Crucial C400 mSATA came out in April 2012 and had identical performance to the 2.5" version and 8 channels, so even 8 months ago his information was out of date by almost a year, so yeah, gonna assume he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Also gonna go out on a limb here and say this is wrong as well:

Just looked at the m.2 specs, available here: http://www.te.com/commerce/Document...m=1-1773702-1NGFFQRG-EN&DocType=DS&DocLang=EN

If you look at the types available (A-M) none of them have SATA without also having PCI-e. Not sure what type the y410p has (B or M only ones with SATA) but Lenovo would have had to purposely screw up and not follow the m.2 standard in order for there not to be PCI-e, and looking at a picture of the y410p connector it sure looks like all the pins are hooked up...

NVMe also helps random performance, SATA is a latency bottleneck as well and NVMe will improve random performance, see the wiki page eh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NVM_Express
"NVMe reduces latency"
More queues, more interrupts = more random IO speed

 

You're the only one who gives a damn. Good for you. I don't even own this laptop for crying out loud.

 

So why the hell did you stumble in here and start White Knighting for MyDigitalSSD then?

And yeah I think people should care when a rep for an SSD company is telling people their laptops won't work with NVMe and that all M.2 SATA drives are slower than 2.5", while conveniently selling a slow M.2 SATA drive. Seems kinda self serving to mislead people into thinking they have no other option but his product.

 

Let's all just simmer down.




Back on topic, is 37-42 degrees an OK place to be for light browsing?

 

Alright, so after 2 hours of working between a Y510p SLI and its secondary GPU (gpu1) and my Y410p and the aftermarket GPU (gpu2), I have some very interesting findings:

1. When I put gpu2 in the y510p, it was not detected, SLI was disabled, and Nvidia control panel was unable to launch due to no GPU detected. Geforce experience showed no GPU under "My Rig". Some other errors occurred as well, and the entire system was slow. The device manager picked up only the internal Nvidia gpu, as well as something referred to as "Microsoft Basic Display Adapter". I am unsure if this is supposed to be the Intel 4600HD, but whilst running benchmarks, it clearly was not using the Nvidia gpu. No heat was emitted from gpu2.

Device Manager:
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GPU Z:
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2. When I put gpu1 in my Y410p, I encountered some initial problems. At first, it acted the same as my ultrabay; no response. But then I opened Geforce experience and it said I had a driver update! After updating and restarting, Nvidia control panel gave me the option to enable SLI! Geforce experience showed 2 GPU's under "My Rig"! MSI Afterburner showed info for 2 GPU's! Interestingly, when running Kombustor, the second gpu was not used at all ( Running Just Cause 2's benchmark, I the framerate went from 30FPS originally, to over 70FPS!) The SLI was clearly working!

Nvidia control panel:
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/alecmerdler/media/nvidia_control_panelSLIenabledwithjacobsgpu.png....

Nvidia Geforce Experience:
Y410p/gpu1/geforce_exp Photo by alecmerdler | Photobucket


Kombustor:
Y410p/gpu1/kombuster Photo by alecmerdler | Photobucket

JC2 Benchmark:
http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/alecmerdler/media/JustCause2_2013_11_19_13_59_03_509.mp4.html?sort...

In Conclusion, I believe this means that the GT750M5 that Lenovo sells is different than the one that comes with SLI Y510p's. But it does prove that the Y410p is capabable of SLI without BIOS manipulation, but only by using the included ultrabay GPU with the Y510p. It is now up to smarter people than I to determine the difference between the two ultrabays.

Please let me know what I can provide for research on this topic.

 

vBIOS difference perhaps? Does the aftermarket GT750M5 have the vBIOS fix for SLI in Windows 8.1?

 

That is my guess. I have tried it in 4 laptops total, 2 Y410p's with W8, 1 Y510p w/o SLI and W8, and 1 Y510p w/ SLI and W8. The common factor here is W8 instead of 8.1, but in the other forum some people have said they tried upgrading to 8.1.

 

You should take a vBIOS dump of the working Ultrabay using NVFLASH DOS and then flash it to the non-working one to see if it works after that.

 

Blitzkreig180 is Lenovo QA department, well done. It pretty much has to be a vBios mismatch. I like the NVFLASH route just make sure to create backups for the internal as well as working ultrabay BIOS.

 

Ok, I will have another session with my friend on Friday, I have that long to figure out how to install and use NVflash. If someone could point me in the direction of a good tutorial, I am willing to learn. I am not really worried about messing up the my ultrabay card, just my friends card and my laptop.

 

[GUIDE] NVIDIA VBIOS flashing

 

I have the original stock vbios from the card I had so we will see about that theory. Keep in mind, I updated to the Windows 8.1 compatible vbios using a hardware flasher and nothing happened. Also remember, I was testing this all on Windows 7.

 

The guide octiceps posted is good, make sure you pay attention to the part about the index that is how you tell the cards apart.
If you need guide on making a USB DOS boot disk: How to Create a Bootable DOS USB Drive

 

Simmer down segued into temp discussion. I see what you did there
That's low, I idle at about 45.