Lenovo IdeaPad Y410P Owners and Information thread

keep the hackintosh aside what i am saying is does the athreos wifi card work with 410p without modding the bios.

 

For what it's worth, I checked my replacement order through that part site and it's within 100 numbers; lower for second. Both have the keyboard model 25205515 and I'm USA.

If you get my refurb, it's the one with the Intel and NVidia stickers peeled off,

 

Does this laptop support the Intel Wireless Display technology? Reason I ask, I just recently bought a new HDTV that has it built in and I'd like to utilize my laptop on the HDTV if possible.

 

Yes. 10char.

 

Do you happen to know how we access the device scan then, because I have been looking for over a half hour and don't see anything about it anywhere, in Windows.

 

Thanks for the reply. Well, it is nice to know that the 25205515 keyboard is the U.S. model, instead of being the "U.K. English" model that the Hardware Maintenance Manual lists it as. If your serial numbers were within 100 for the initial and replacement unit, you likely got a new replacement with a very similar manufacture date. I just phoned the Lenovo Post-Sales department again and they were able to verify that my replacement laptop's manufacture date is exactly the same as the manufacture date of the initial laptop that I received... even though the replacement's serial number is almost 100000 lower than the serial number of my initial laptop... hmmm, very strange. So either Lenovo is doing strange things with their serial numbers instead of simply incrementing the number, or they are manufacturing more than 100,000 Y410P units during a single day, which would account for the big leap in serial numbers between both laptops... I really hope that this replacement that I am getting next week works perfectly because I already also have a second battery and a second hard drive caddy waiting to be used with it. The fact that my Y410P takes an extremely long 2.0 to 2.5 minutes to go from the Lenovo logo screen to the login screen is also suspect, and I really hope that the replacement cold-boots much faster!

 

Quick poll for Y410P owners running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 using the original components (e.g. you did not swap out the 5400-RPM hard drive for an SSD):

How long does it take for your Y410P to cold-boot and reach the Windows login screen? In other words, how long does your Y410P stay at the initial Lenovo logo screen with the spinning busy icon during a cold-boot (i.e. not waking up from sleep or hibernate mode)?

And are your cold-boot times for a Y410P with or without the 24-GB M.2 NGFF SSD cache card?

Windows 8/8.1 is supposed to cold-boot faster than previous Windows versions, and on another Dell i7-3630QM laptop that I have running Windows 8.1 and a 32-GB SSD cache, it cold-boots fairly fast, staying at the Dell logo screen for about 20 seconds before reaching the Windows login screen (with 16-GB memory and about 20 items listed in the Startup routine).

 

10.85 seconds is the time from power off to logon screen.

 

If your express cache has gone bad it could be the reason for the long boot and shut down times. Two reasons: 1)the standard hdd is only 5400 RPMs and the fast boot up times relied on express cache; and 2) if defective, your bios and computer are trying to read a defective component and coincidentally it is slowing down overall times of boot and shut down. When I installed a defective M.2 card (MyDigitalSSD) it gave the same issues. I got the card replaced and no more issues. I coincidentally updated my harddrive to an SSD so now use the M.2 card as an encrypted disk to store sensitive information (back up elsewhere of course)

 

I'm using the 24GB as an OS drive with C:/Users symlinked to the HDD. So far i still have 7GB free on my 24GB SSD, and that's having Windows 7+ MS Office + Adobe Fireworks + Firefox/Thunderbird/VLC and other smaller apps.

 

Tip, if you're on W7, hit win+R, then type "msconfig", then go to boot and check the "no gui boot", it will disable the startup logo but lower boot time by 1-2 secs.

 

I just returned my replacement for a full refund for this exact issue. By far the worst laptop I have ever used setup or bought. The first one had screen problems the replacement just started acting up. I think the ssd was badx it.qad a SanDisk. Bios beeping slow boot times shut down times crashes feeezes you name it. I'm done with lenovo. First and last.

 

So I decided to sell my y410p as I've been fairly disappointed with Lenovo as far as how they are handling the SLI graphics fiasco. I just reinstalled a clean copy of Windows 8.1 and all drivers to the 128GB M.2 SSD, and I'm going to list it on eBay later today after the 1TB drive finishes secure erasing.

See you guys on the flip side!

 

You getting the upcoming Y40/50?

 

Yesterday I decided to open up the back of my Y410P to add in extra RAM, it seems flawless at first, I tried to be very careful, then at the end when I tried to put the back case of the laptop back on, 1 of the plastic clips just wouldn't click and I noticed it sort of snapped. So I'm left with that part bulging out slightly. Is there anything I could do about this? Maybe get a replacement part from Lenovo or elsewhere?

 

Lenovo IdeaPad Y400 Base Cover Lower Chassis Bottom Genuine | eBay

Designed for Y400 but will fit Y410p due to same chassis. However if your laptop is still under 30 days you can consider sending it back (remove the extra RAM), get a new unit and be more careful.

 

From power off to Windows login in 10 seconds, I'm quite pleased, so 1-2 seconds doesn't really bother me much. I'm on Windows 8.1.

 

Hello, how would I know if the laptop is throttling the CPU? It would help determine wether its too weak to play some games, ir if its throttling because of heat(and that's why some games are stuttering or lagging).

 

Even though any kind of electronics can have their share of problems, I think that Lenovo's reliability and quality are "worse than average". Most of the recent reliability surveys on laptops list Apple as #1 and Dell as #2 with Asus, Acer, and HP also occupying the top 5. Lenovo has been ranked #6 or #7 in reliability and quality in most surveys during the past few years. To worsen matters, Lenovo's hardware technical support group in the Philippines is a total joke; I talked to five persons in that group for 5+ hours over a period of three days and you would think that every one of them has never used Windows 8 before (I let two of them control my desktop and they just fumbled around in trying to troubleshoot), none of them knew what Express Cache or a caching SSD card were, and none of them knew about the Express Cache `eccmd` command. I might as well have phoned into a pizza restaurant and gotten more "technical support".

Lenovo has really drove the quality of the hardware, software, and support services straight into the ground after they acquired IBM's personal computer division. IBM's laptops used to be very high quality ruggedly built laptops.

You really do get a lot of bang for the buck with this Y410P... IF you are lucky enough to get a defect-free unit. I am crossing my fingers and toes that my replacement that gets delivered next week is defect-free. My initial shipment, which I am still using right now to type this post, is quite good except for the dead-on-arrival 24-GB M.2 SSD. I can understand if I was shipped a unit that exhibited no defects initially, but then showed defects a few weeks later. But if a screen, hard disk, SSD cache card, DVD drive, etc. never worked from the first day, that is a sign of terrible quality control by Lenovo... and even if my next replacement shows no obvious defects, it makes me wonder about how reliable my Y410P will be one or two years from now and if problems will start appearing due to shoddy quality control testing by Lenovo and low quality of components used inside the laptop.

So I agree with most of the reliability surveys in saying that Lenovo ranks behind six or seven other main brands of laptops when it comes to quality and reliability.

I still have a 6-year old Dell Inspiron laptop that is humming along nicely after being used almost every day for six years with not a single hardware problem. The only reason that I bought this Y410P is that Dell's 13-inch and 14-inch non-Alienware laptops are all underpowered - most use i3 and i5 Haswells and the fastest i7 that is used by Dell on their 13"/14" laptops is the i7-4500U, which is slower than the i7-4700MQ. I considered the Alienware 14, but it was bulky in size (not as portable) and I did not want to pay its higher price even though its build quality is much better than this Y410P. I also did not care about all the snazzy AlienFX lighting effects on the Alienware 14. I am not using my Y410P for gaming, but for lots of photo and HD video editing, which benefits from lots of CPU horsepower.

 

Well, my father says that the people that design the Thinkpads are still pretty much the original team that designed them when Thinkpads were with IBM. Thinkpads are of a different quality, esp compared to the ideapads.

On another note, one of my friends picked up the y410p and brought it to school. I love the small form factor(compared to my 15.6" acer), and the screen looks fine. I think I've only used TN and tier panels throughout my life, so I wouldn't notice a difference. It felt quite solid in my hand. Since so many people have problems with expresscache, I'll probably just swap over to a 240gb SSD, then buy a 2,5" enclosure and use the default laptop HDD as an external drive.

Excited. Now I need an excuse to get my parents to buy me this laptop. Hopefully I can get into a good college where I don't have to commute to and from home .

 

Mine cold boots in 10 seconds, and recovers from sleep instantly. I did install a Samsung SSD though. Highly recommended.

 

Even if the original ex-IBMers are still designing the current Lenovo ThinkPads, all of the manufacturing and quality control are happening in China under Lenovo's guidance and under Lenovo's low quality tolerance guidelines, and Lenovo's quality control standards rank between "mediocre" and "terrible", both from my own experience with my first Lenovo computer being this Y410P and from many various discussion forum postings that I have read since last year.

And I do know a thing or two about how computers are built When I was going to college in Austin during the mid-1980s, at the same time that Michael Dell started his PC's Limited company that would later become Dell, I worked part-time at IBM-Austin where I worked in various roles at the IBM production facility that made a PC that was called the "Personal Computer/AT" (or PC/AT), which was the fastest PC on the market at the time, powered by an Intel 80286 CPU running at 6 MHz (not GHz The retail price for that PC at the time was around $6000. I took advantage of the IBM employee discount, which was a whopping 50% discount at the time, and bought the top-of-the-line configuration that costed $6800 ($3400 after employee discount). Because I worked on the factory floor where the robotics assembled many of the parts on the PC/AT motherboard, I had intimate knowledge about how each PC was manufactured and IBM had very stringent quality standards for that PC/AT computer. We rejected huge piles of assembled motherboards due to bad soldering, loose assemblies, suspect components, etc. Each assembled motherboard was very slowly inspected by two different people using a variety of magnifiers.

By contrast, I think that Lenovo is focused on manufacturing computers as quickly and cheaply as they can, and that obviously also means having VERY sloppy quality control of each fully assembled and configured computer. I also would not be surprised if the internal components are also cheaper quality. My ExpressCache SSD was dead-on-arrival. Whoever performed the final quality control of the Y410P that I received never noticed that the SSD never worked; this could have been detected in a matter of seconds. My Dell Inspiron 17R Special Edition came equipped with a 32-GB mSATA SSD that has performed flawlessly fast for the past two years. The 24-GB M.2 NGFF card used in the Y410P is probably not intrinsically prone to failure, and probably not more fragile than an mSATA SSD. In fact, there could be a chance that the 24-GB SSD inside my laptop is actually okay, but whoever assembled the laptop forgot to set a jumper or DIP switch on the motherboard.

So a computer with a great design, great components, and great price may still lead to low satisfaction of ownership if the reliability and quality of manufacturing are sloppy.

 

Blue tooth issues.
I do have 7260 card, W7, drivers 64bit 3.1.1309.390.

My BT is cutting off, i have BT mouse, for couple minutes it works fine and than it stops working. I have to turn the mouse off and on and hope that it will pair again. Its kind of annoying when i play some games. The mouse is OK. i tested it for several day in my e6410 and no glitch at all. What BT versions are you using?

Martin

 

Im planning to get an SSD for my lenovo y410p. Should i get the samsung 840 pro or the samsung 840 evo? Ive heard that the evo can have insane read/write speeds with the RAPID function.

 

Pro is better, MLC memory has a much better lifespan than the cheaper TLC. But then again, if the 840 EVO was the best drive of 2013, then it must have done something right. Just look up benchmarks for both and pick accordingly.

 

If you are gonna come in here and start Dell-Fanboying, i will politely ask you to leave. I have a Dell 17R IvyBridge in my household and to be honest, it's not that great of a machine.

As for your DOA issues, speak for yourself. I have encountered DOA's with every single brand i have purchased from, at least Lenovo let me send in my machine back for a replacement, something some other brands i won't mention failed to do after 8 phonecalls.

 

Your i7 will begin to throttle north of 90*C. I run HWMonitor in the background to monitor max temps. Just know that constantly alt-tabbing out of your game to check temps then back in puts an artificially high load on the CPU, which will cause temps to spike and cause it to throttle down. Download Intel XTU (google it). Reduce "Dynamic CPU voltage offset" by 60-110mV (test and see where yours is stable, mine is at -100mV.) You can also reduce cache voltage and graphics voltage (-80mV here). I have also set multipliers for 3 and 4 cores active to a max of x30 (turbo boost to 3.0GHz), which is still much faster than a throttled 2.4GHz.

Also, your i7 4700MQ is a VERY potent CPU. It's MORE than powerful enough to run ANY game out now. Some people have run into stuttering issues because of Vsync and bouncing off the 60FPS limit there. Others have run into issues with the slow 5400RPM HDD loading during game. Your best bet is to do your own research. See why the particular game you're trying to play stutters.

 

I am not a "Dell Fanboy". I previously mentioned that Dell often sends a refurbished display monitor if you need a replacement on a defective newly purchased Dell display monitor, which seems to be very unethical. Dell's regular 17R and 15R IvyBridge are very pedestrian, but their "Special Edition" IvyBridge versions are quite a bit better for the price, although its casing is mostly plastic and their XPS and Alienware models are better built. Dell has no "Special Edition" version of a Haswell laptop and they have no non-Alienware 13"/14" laptop with a CPU faster than an i7-4500U, which is how I ended up looking at this Y410P. And as I mentioned in a previous post, this Y410P is really a great performance/value deal. But Lenovo definitely dropped the ball on making use of the Y410P's Ultrabay. Even though they still promote that feature on their Web site, even Lenovo's own sales and support have told me that there will never be any Ultrabay accessories for the Y410P - no SLI graphics support, no Ultrabay hard drive caddy, no Ultrabay cooling fan... and the Y510P's Ultrabay is not compatible for use in the Y410P. I bought a third-party hard drive caddy that has a perfectly matching bezel faceplate (no need to remove the bezel from the existing DVD drive) so I can carry two hard/SSD drives inside along with the M.2 card.

Forum user "endlesszeal" previously mentioned that both his (or her) initial and replacement laptops were defective, and that his defective 24-GB SSD was SanDisk. By any measure, getting two defective products in a row points to poor quality control. My laptop and the replacement that is being delivered next week both have a Toshiba M.2 SSD. As I previously mentioned, I do not think that these M.2/NGFF cards are highly prone to instantly failing on a new computer. But something about either how Lenovo is configuring these or how Lenovo is verifying (or not verifying) their proper functioning is causing a significant number of customers to have problems with them.

You are right - any electronics, or any item in general, can be dead-on-arrival. I once brought home a bag of small tropical fish for my aquarium and one of them was nearly dead by the time that I arrived home. But if people are experiencing DOA hardware issues, and these issues are happening more frequently than just being a rare anomaly, then these are just as valid of a forum discussion as the "how do I use" or "how do I upgrade" questions. If I get a defect-free replacement next week (which I am really hoping for), I will then be both writing and talking about how great this laptop is.

 

Alright thanks, and I was also just checking benchmarks for 750M SLI.... Oh My God, the performance nearly doubles! I was planning on building my desktop soon, but this can change my mind.... When will these be released? If it's nor before summer of 2014, I'm just gonna build my desktop and sell my Y410P for some extra juice on my desktop.

 

Do not get SLI, my 2 cents. Read the Y510p owner's lounge and you will see it is a lot more trouble than it's worth. I was gonna do it, but i decided to save up the money for desktop parts. Using my Y410p as a secondary/work machine.

 

my touchpad is just like this after 4 months with y410p the quality of this product its horrible ,its was my first lenovo laptop and my last...i think the glue was not good

 

+1. SLI with low end cards isn't the greatest idea, and doesn't help if the game doesn't support it. It also makes your y410p/y510p have ty battery life, and crap performance due to the battery not being able to really let the cards rip at their full potential

 

How did you manage that? I've had my Y400 for a little under a year now and I haven't had so much as key pop off, let alone the touchpad going postal.

 

Did you pry it out or something? looks like it.

 

the glue under touchpad sticker was dropping slowly and i do not pulled off.i tried to stick back but no success..so i call to lenovo warranty service they said i will get i new one.

 

Yup, Since I travel so much for work, I went for the 3 year accidental damage warranty just in case something like this happens. This way you never have to worry about it, even if the laptop takes a beating from daily use.

 

I purchased mine with my AmEx, which doubles the default 1 year warranty. I think that in a year and a half mine may stop working ;-) Hello GTX900-series

 

Guys, does anyone have the 3 finger gestures working or the 2 finger tab (for example to open pop up menu)

and does anyone know how to turn off the bluetooth because when I try to do it from the Win 8, wireless settings it says could not turn off ? I think its a software issue not a hardware right ?

 

When i try to play some game without the charger, it runs the game with lag. Someone know why?

 

Just would like to reply to you. You have undoubtedly heard that "they don't build them like they used to." Lenovo is building the IdeaPad down to a price: this means cutting corners. Not necessarily quality control but perhaps quality of the parts used. For example, instead of having a cutting-edge full HD IPS or high color gamut eDP screen, they opted for a cheaper LVDS TN panel, etc... They are using a contract manufacturer, Compal Electronics, which also expects to make a profit off of the units they deliver to Lenovo. Guess who else Compal Electronics makes laptops for? Acer, Dell, HP and Fujitsu. This contract manufacturer probably embraces LEAN and six-sigma manufacturing mantras: they want to keep quality defects low so they don't have to spend so much time doing rework. Unlike in the 80's, the assembly for the motherboards is completely automated on SMT pick-and-places that can put down 100s if not 1000s of components a minute, and are inspected on a computer with a high-resolution optical inspection system, and perhaps a human that also ensure that ports and major components are placed correctly. They probably also do check them electrically before putting them into the system on a bed-of-nails test rig to ensure it doesn't need rework down the line. I have not even mentioned down the line when they load the system up with a Windows image and perform a burn-in-test, or anything. Failures do happen, maybe most don't leave the factory, but in some cases they will. Lenovo is shipping 1000s of laptops a day, and you just got unlucky.

tl;dr: Lenovo, unlike IBM of yesteryear needs to price their laptops really, really well, or else no one would buy them. This is why they are not built like IBM's excellent ThinkPad series or your example of the PC/AT. They cannot charge whatever they want; they need to set a low price where they still make a good chunk of profit off it.

Lenovo's major market is China, not the US. I don't feel that any of their new products target the US market especially, and this sentiment is also felt on a *chan board, /g/, which likes to refer to newer ThinkPads by replacing the 'T' with a different letter to make a racial slur.

I agree with you though, the build quality of the IdeaPad series does leave a bit to be desired. Don't expect it to exude quality like a Macbook or something!

 

That's because the gpu gets underclocked to 135 Mhz (not sure of the number)

 

The trackpad not working properly can be fixed by installing the generic synaptic drivers from here: synaptics.com/resources/drivers
The latest drivers are not signed properly and driver signature enforcement must be disabled first for them to even install. How to Disable Driver Signature Verification on 64-Bit Windows 8.1 (So That You Can Install Unsigned Drivers)
Remember to first uninstall the previous drivers though, or the newer ones won't install properly.
Not sure about bluetooth. I just uninstalled the intel ones and used the generic windows drivers for bluetooth. I then disabled it since I never use it.

 

Yeah, most "non-gaming" laptops aren't meant to play graphic intensive games without being plugged in. Common for most laptops.

 

thats very bad, because it is supposed that this laptop is for gaming.

 

what are the safe temperature for this laptop ?
i play Battlefield 4 often an my temperature readings are (Hot climate,1 hour of gaming):
GPU 80c, CPU 60c
is this safe? I am afraid that my laptop would "snap" in the near future!

 

Under 90 = Safe. Those are good temps, especially CPU wise.

 

thank u very much,
i forgot to mention that i run a cooling pad blowing upward
so i can maintain the temperature.

 

Thanks for your reply.

For the trackpad, I already have the latest Elan driver installed (according to the version on Lenovo website), mine is v. 11.4.19.2. As for the bluetooth I can only see Generic Bluetooth Adapter and Microsoft Bluetooth Enumerator in the device manager, is that means that the intel/lenovo drivers not installed ?

Also do you have the 3 fingers gestures working in your laptop ?

 

ok never mind about the bluetooth, I checked win update and I found an update for the bluetooth driver so I installed it and it finally worked now the task manager only shows Intel Centrino Wireless Bluetooth Driver. Apparently the driver wasn't even installed.

Let me know if you have any ideas about the touchpad.

 

I have a synaptics trackpad, so I can't help you on that then