Lenovo Legion Y740 17" 15"

See. All tho it was a tiny OC. I can’t imagine a 700 point gain.
I just think then you got a low graphics score.
However the 2060 over exceeded. I’m seeing around 5800 on time spy. So 2070 mq roughly 20% faster.

I think I’m going to purchase one shortly. I got nothing to lose (besides my bank balance) and a lot to gain. If it’s not as expected I can return it. I can save £132 removing the windows 10 option. Can buy one for £9. Use that saving and get a 2070.
Just figuring out how much warranty to extend to. Gets pricey on 3 years and my price don’t look as attractive.
I’ll also get 5% cash back on cash back site. It’ll help a lil.


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I just got mine in today (2060) and I'm very impressed. I did a clean wipe of Win10 and all bloatware and undervolted to -1.40.

Playing a couple hours of csgo with Max Fan and temps didn't go past 68 for CPU and 60 for GPU.

Max Fans also isn't very loud either, with Headphones you can't tell at all but my Wife also wasn't complaining and that's a huge plus, she's sitting less than 5 feet from me.

I have many more hours to test out the system but I wonder for anyone else who undervolted, what stable undervolt did you maintain?

 

-.150

 

What voltages are the 2060 and the 2070mq running at? Anyone tried undervolting with Afterburner? For instance flatline at 1700-1800MHz@800mv which is doable on my 1070. Also custom curve with higher start voltages and flatline from 850mv or 900mv to see which gives best performance to temp-ratio?

 

I guess it maps HDR signal to SDR output, like it can be done in some video player.

 

I upgrade the HDD to Samsung 860 2TB Sata. I didn't touch the nvme because it's a Samsung PM981 which is really impressive.

 

Can't do undervolting on a max-q card. 2060 may do.

 

I got a 2TB Samsung EVO 860 Sata and it works well.

 

I placed an order last night. 15" with the 2070 ands also removed windows I have a couple of spare keys.

I don't think the price of the 3 year warranty is that bad at £60 odd quid, its better than the £350 pounds dell want for a similar warranty.
I had been looking at an m15, but for the same spec as the y749 I purchased was £2500 as opposed to £1650 on the Lenovo.

 

Yea warranty is that expensive it’s just that I mean with 3 year onsite with added accidental damage. It was an additional £150.
Don’t get me wrong it’s worth it compared to dells warranty.
If only the three years extended warranty offer they have for £1 on selected models was applicable I’d of selected it easy LOL.
Just kept it for a year with accidental damage and I’ll extend towards the life of it depending on how I feel about my overall experience with it and if the next model is a disaster design wise and I want to keep using it.


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Bought the y740 waiting to get it in the mail.

What are some performance tweaks I can make? As far as hardware I have a 970evo and 860 evo both of which are 2TB and 32gb Ram of crucial ballistix in the laptop the y740 is replacing.
I'm mainly going to be using it to do 3d work. Not sure what games I want to get for it yet.
wondering what tweaks I can make at the software level with win10 pro.
Also has anyone tried the dolby vision HDR? Was curious how that worked.

Thanks

 

Is voltage to low already or is option not available?

 

I got an email yesterday about the delay of shipping of my custom 15'', DOS-free, 32GB RAM, 512 SSD, RTX2060. Instead of the 12th of March it will be shipped on the 20th.

Do others also experience delays? I thought that they solved whatever issue they had, delaying the orders.

 

Im playing Forza Horizon at ultra settings on external widescreen 3840x1200 at 60fps without drops.

 

I ordered mine on February 13th, it was supposed to ship Feb 20th originally, then without an email the date changed to March 31, got an email a week later that there was a delay and it would ship within 30 days. Last week my ship date moved to March 20, and been sitting there since, order status is still just "ordered" as of today. The demand for these I think caught Lenovo off guard and they cant keep up.

 

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So glad he did a video on this!

 

Really happy to see the review. Confirming the overall consensus that this laptop is definitely one if not the best bang for your buck. Perfectly balanced for price and performance imo.

 

So there is no fan curve on this laptop other than Max? I feel like fans aren't kicking on as much as it should under stress

I put laptop down and came back to temps nearing 90-95 on CPU before I had to manually hit FN+Q for Max Fan

 

Did you try UNDERVOLTing it? It will drop 5-10 degrees easy

 

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Yes I have a stable Undervolt of -0.150

Sometimes the Fans kick in under gaming and other times it doesn't, it's inconsistent. I'm surprised there isn't any software from Lenovo that'll control them better.

 

ordered one in singapore 15 y740 2070 max-q.

seeing dave vs matt;s review, seems like matt's unit is a lemon? his scores and fps are lower than dave's although both are 2070 variant.

 

As I know the option is locked by nvidia, though you can still overclock.

 

Got the refund for the 17" today and was going to order the 15", but it is showing a 3 week wait. I'll wait and see, but I might just wait until later in the year for the ninth gen refresh and other screen options.

 

I meant the curve. If you flatline the voltage/mhz curve in AB you can force the gpu to for instance run at 1750MHz at max 800mv. What is the maximum operating voltage of the maxq?

 

Apart from the increased cache there is one more interesting thing to look at.

Notice that the higher CTP is followed by significantly higher clock speeds. Given the same technology (14nm) and the likely comparable die size, heat dissipation will still remain a major issue. Taking current laptop's cooling abilities, I'd say all of these CPUs will start to thermal throttle at about 3.9GHZ (in a better case) - all cores driven. To find out the expected performance at 3.9Ghz lets do the simple math:
CTP([email protected]) = 386,967*3.9/4.5 => 335,371. Similarly, CTP([email protected]) is: 327,433*3.9/4.1 => 311,460, which means a ~7% gain over the current model. It's still an improvement, but i wonder, if the price difference will not be much more than this 7%... Sure, for short time jobs the temporary boost will make this CPU snappier. For extended loads, however, no miracles.

As for the i9 models, they perform worse in current thermally limited notebooks than the i7. I don't expect a major change here. Given the same lithography, higher core size I wouldn't be surprised to see even more heat and more throttling.
All in all, this seems like a good time is coming to grab a new laptop. First wait for the debut of the 9750h and then grab a laptop with the i7-8750h with a nice discount.

 

What happened to the comparison against the AW m51?
I know they are in completely different leagues but is the extra cost worth it performance wise?
You can basically get 2 Lenovo’s maxed out for a maxed M51.

 

I don't know. At least in Afterburner, I can do nothing with the curve.
I saw 1740mhz when I used MadVR with Potplayer. MadVR or Potplayer will automatically overclock? Weird.

 

I am interested in getting a Y740 (17 inch, 2080 version) - Are there any news about the Display issues?
And is there a recall for the laptop (motherboard issues?)?
Are there any news on the 17 inch version in general?

 

Display is great with reports of backbite bleeding, not sure if Lenovo fixed this issue.
No recall for MOBO’s that I know of.
Yes notebookcheck has done e comprehensive review of the RTX 2080MQ.

 

I've been busy, but I did post a handful of photos comparing the two at some point. I'll give some musings regarding the comparison in the meantime.

Size wise they are very comparable and the 17" Lenovo is rather ugly, in my opinion. The bezels are huge and there is a ton of wasted space on the keyboard/palmrest. The 2080 Max Q and i7-8750h are a rather huge step down form a 8700k/9700k and 2080 combo, whereas the difference between the 2060 and 2080 max q is far less severe. The Lenovo is wider, while the A51 is longer. The A51 is a bit thicker, but the screen is thinner with a much higher quality hinge.

At the end of the day, the 17" y740 exists in a wierd space. If you do due dilligence with discounts, the price difference between the y740 with 2080MQ and i7-8750h, with 16gb ram and a 256gb nvme, you will be in the $1900-$2300 range. The area-51m for a 9700k/2080 will be in the $2900-$3500 range. You could even go for the 2070/8700k to save a bit more and still outperform the y740, and the price would be close with quite a bit of headroom for future upgrades. Ultimately, I find that the y740 top config isn't worth the price, but the 15" lower end/middle config justifies the price with quite a few nice to haves. Form factor, aesthetics, and performance per dollar is important.

At the end of the day, if you want a slim, sleek, portable system with a nice bit of gaming power, the 15" with the 2060/2070MQ are great buys. If you want performance, the 17" falls woefully short for the trade offs you would have to make. The Area-51m is still a totally impractical machine and has a lot of questions for the future. I don't think it is a good buy or a value buy, but it exists in its own space for enthusiasts. It is still in its infancy, and just like every Alienware in the past, the first revision will have many flaws corrected in future revisions. A hard recommendation to not buy, but if you need something now it is pretty awesome. The chassis is so cool and the material feels nice. The 1080p screen and slower ram will be hard for some to get over, since it will no doubt be corrected in the coming months.

As for the Lenovo line up, the 17" is dumb and I can't ever recommend it. Its ugly and heavy and doesn't justify it with performance. The backlight bleed on my unit was awful as well, so hopefully that gets corrected. The 15" is attractive and I'm willing to bet that when the i7-9750h refresh happens, we may also see a new cooling system and a 2080 MQ hit the form factor. That would be a perfect laptop.

As such, right now I'm sitting with a Dell ordered Area-51m that I will surely be returning unless they offer me no less than $300 back - which would put me at a $3400 total, 5 years warranty + accidental (a huge part of the price). Otherwise I'll go with an XoticPC order for $3300 that had 3 years warranty + accidental, plus a 512gb Evo Plus and 16 GB ram (which I'll probably shuck, since I have 32gb of corsair vengeance). Before warranties, these are all under $3000, which I think isn't bad for the desktop processor and non max q 2080. I think either way it doesn't make much sense, but I want it now!!!

 

I agree 17 isn’t as nice but I detest numpads. I think that’s ultimately why. Have you noticed how every praises the MacBook and Razer blades. No numpads.
More units need to be made without it. Numpads was more of a work thing imo. I’ve never seen anyone use it yet a lot of people seem to want a laptop with it on.

Anyway how long does it take from ordering to get an update of when it’s expected? Getting quite keen now (only ordered Thursday night midnight so been invoiced yesterday and yes I know weekends is excluded as a business day ) as the wait is real.


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Numpads make sense when you have a giant laptop, otherwise it is just dead space. The Alienware Area-51m has an amazing keyboard with large keys with plenty of travel. It takes up the entire face and has a bunch of keys ready for macros/hotkeys. It doesn't waste any space.

The Legion has smaller keys with much less travel and a ton of wasted space. Both of them have numpads.

On a 15" or smaller, numpads are silly because that space could be better used to make the rest of the keys larger and for dedicated macro keys. On a 17", if you don't have a numpad there will just be a ton of dead space, which is foolish. The keyboard and layout is one thing the A51m absolutely nailed.

 

We all want something different. I would never ever buy a laptop with 2 powerbricks, thats just silly. Ares 51m has 2 ...

Neither would I buy a 15inch because for work its to small to read for me. Programs I use dont scale well.

No numpad might be a case of getting used to but workwise I need one for productivity. Cant imagine using CAD programs without a numpad. Hate the numpad lay-out on the Lenovo though.

 

Number pad? You like it, need it, want it or hate it?

It drives me nuts to use a laptop without a number pad. Different strokes for different folks.

I spent a great deal of time with the y740 docked connected to an external display and KB. It was bliss. Then once I committed to the laptop as is, I became annoyed. Nothing new here as I’ve spent time with the y730 too.

I wouldn’t judge a laptop either way on the inclusion of a number pad, so worry not.

It’s more than just a missing number pad on this laptop. You get use to the top left key being “ESC” forever. This changes that. Remove the whole left side keys and you’ll see/feel that the KB is actually shifted to the right of the trackpad. It’s odd.

 

Yes agree with both statements. Like I said they ideal for work uses. I should of stated that I like 15” and smaller and omitting one on those as one stated would make sense (providing its form factor also matches the screen)

17” defo need it for dead space I agree. Back in the days they would just fill the laptop with media key buttons and everything that made it appealing (or gimmicky) but if your a casual person for no need for one but insists that laptops should come with it as standard I don’t get it.
Laptop reviewers will say this because it benefits them for work so I get that.
But also from an aesthetical point it’s inferior even if one thinks it bland. I like the uniformed look but the practical part of it for me is that I can also navigate around with looking where backspace, return, arrow keys, page up and down home and end are because they are usually always at the edge of the laptop. So now I have to keep looking away. My focus on the screen is interrupted.

But as the guy above said the 17” is uglier. The obvious part of it besides the bezel is the numpad and off centred numpad but without it we have the dead space issue.

If they built this like the y530 which has a numpad, I’d be stuck with my heavy and slightly bigger than it should be aw15 r4 1070.
And hence I really can’t wait for it to arrive


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Did you have the laptop elevated during testing or cooling mat?

 

It works perfectly fine with only one though, and the 180w adapter is like 1/3 the size of the Lenovo 230w adapter that comes with the y740. If you are lugging it around and not planning to game, it can handle everything outside of heavy games fine. I should compare the bench marks of the 2080 Max Q to a 330w power brick and Area-51m... That may be interesting.

2 Power bricks is silly, but if you are already lugging around a giant laptop, I'd say it is rather inconsequential. The Area-51m is already large, as is the y740 17". I don't think the power bricks would do much difference, especially since the second one is so small.

I'm on the A51m at work right now, using the 180w adapter. I don't bring the 330w adapter - I don't want to be tempted to game

 

No

 

I’m tempted to go pick up the new Acer Predator Triton 500 from micro center. It’s 1699 for the rtx 2060 but has a 82whr battery and it’s all aluminum build

 

I've been looking at reviews of the Triton 500 and from what I've gathered Acer really doesn't want you to go inside and mess with components or they made it much more difficult to do so.

Temps also is on the high side compared to the Y740, Idles are good but with Gaming at Max Fans Temps were hitting 85-90 and Throttling the CPU

 

I've been benchmarking different games and have found one in particular (Assassins Creed Odyssey) fluctuates the CPU clock. Temps starting the game will go into the mid 80s at 3.9ghz before settling around 3.2 - 3.7ghz with temps around 75-80c

Question is, is it normal for the CPU core clocks to fluctuate in game? Isn't this a sign of Throttling?

I have the CPU undervolted at -0.140

 

Loading the CPU and GPU together will limit the CPU to 45w after a short while. That lines up pretty well with your frequency results mentioned.

 

If you have g-sync enabled you can often undervolt cpu cache more than cpu core. On 2 setups I have at home I can undervolt cache by 30-40mv extra, that reduces powerconsumption and might give you 2C lower temps and 100MHz higher clocks during load from my experience Is -140mv max on cpu core? In many cases -150 to -170mv works fine, that will help a bit too.

 

Trying to see where I can secure a good deal in Canada. I hear Lenovo has good EPP discount?

 

Has any owners compared fan noise between 15 and 17-inch? Coolingsolution seems similar in pictures, but I guess that the 15-inch will be a bit more noisy and warmer with same GPU as 17-inch.

It`s a shame that Asus, MSI and several others has basically ditched g-sync on many of their high end models. After 2,5 years with g-sync I have to say that it is basically a free GPU upgrade. Games feel much more stuttery and tearing is often horrible when I disable it. In many games, fps around 50 feels really smooth when g-sync is enabled. The implementation is basically free since there is and never has been the need for a g-sync-module. Lenovo has done something amazing with actually offering g-sync, IPS, decent refreshrate for a price that is generally slightly lower than the competition, AND they have better thermal\noise-performance.

 

Bob has it up now.

 

This was interesting for me to review. I spent way too much time tweaking and messing about with this.

I really had to dial this review back significantly.

If I have time I’ll follow up with some more details and gaming info.

My goal was always to mesh the enthusiast and common fella together.

I went way too deep initially and had reverted back three times before settling on this review version.

When you make videos like this, I’m always considering the balance.

-The right amount of info
-Watch time
-The need to minimize questions

Go too far one way and all hell breaks loose.

 

Great review. I never saw anything like that covering the RAM, but I have an older laptop. Is that standard? I assume it wouldn't void the warranty to add a ram stick yourself?