Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

Haven't used the 840 Pro before, so can't say about compatibility. There were reports of compatibility issue with T440s, so i am not sure whether that problem carries over with the ThinkPad Yoga.

 

It would have been cheaper for you to buy direct from Lenovo using 10% discount code on Quidco.

 

I see. In terms of the size and specs, should it fit in the bay and work in theory? If it doesn't work, I'll just make sure to return it within the return period.

Another thing is, how can one transfer the operating system/files to the new drive? I've never really done something like this

 

UK: 4
Rest of the world: 0

Wow. Sorry for you guys, but I really start to think this is a UK-only problem. Anyone else confirming/denying?

 

Thinkpad Yoga now available for those in Canada: ThinkPad Yoga: Business Ultrabook - 12.5" 2-In-1 Business Convertible | Lenovo (CA)

 

Right I've had an update from Lenovo.

A courier is coming on Friday or Monday.

They will then "by the end of next week" call to confirm DOA (or not if it's not a hardware fault, they were not specific over what would happen if it wasn't a hardware fault)

I will then have a replacement 15 business days after that.

So after having ordered my laptop on Friday 15th November, and received it on Monday 18th November, I will finally get to actually use it properly around mid-late DECEMBER!

And because it is faulty / has connected to the internet, Dabs refuse to accept it for return and instead would basically send it through the DOA procedure.

I'm rather ... irritated ... about this right now. I mean after going without information, going through my 2 failed Yoga 2 Pro orders, finally getting a Thinkpad Yoga, and now having to send it back and sit on my until NEXT MONTH because of this hardware fault, while if I went and ordered a new one I could have it here tomorrow, it just ..... well

Not happy. At all. I mean if they could hurry this up a bit then that would be great, but having to wait until next month, really unimpressed.

 

Yay! Also we get the 4600U as an option (can't see it on the US site). Price without discount is steep, but figure we can use the EPP link posted on redflagdeals right? Is there better discounts out there?

 

For US, is it possible to order only hdd and replace it later with an ssd? Every buck saved counts!

 

I'm planning to do this, but the HDD options are not available yet and we have no idea really when they will be. My suspicion is that they will either be available by the end of November or by early January

 

This digitizer problem is a bit concerning, especially with the experience simon_at_mso is having getting it sorted out. I am in the UK, and have ordered an i5 direct from Lenovo with a custom configuration.

The key thing is whether this a problem with a single batch, or with the entire run. I think that all of the reported problems so far have been with i7's bought in the UK from third party suppliers (someone correct me if I am wrong)? Here in the UK it looks like there were two batches of fixed specification TPY released to third party suppliers and available now, the fully specced i7 and the i3 with 4GB ram, 500GB HDD and no digitizer. On the Lenovo website, however, it can be fully configured and is currently listed as shipping in 9 days, so maybe those units will be from slightly different manufacturing batches ... ?

So, is there anyone reading this who has a TPY and does NOT have the digitizer problems, particularly in the UK?

 

After a full reset both the touchscreen + digitizer issues remain so time to pack it up

 

Does anyone exactly know what 256GB SSD or 500GB harddisk Lenovo built in the Yoga?
By replacing the 500GB HDD, which 256 GB SSD are you thinking to buy?

 

Just a quick note as you are in the UK, you are much better covered by consumer legislation if you return it to the retailer rather than Lenovo, as that is who the contract is with. Within the first 7 days you should be able to send it straight back for a full refund under the distance selling regulations even if it was working fine, or alternatively under the Sales of Goods Act you can reject it for a full refund as faulty and not fit for purpose within a reasonable time, normally taken to be within 3-4 weeks. Crucially, if you get Lenovo involved then the retailer is absolved from any future responsibility and your are stuck with just the manufacturer warranty - keep the retailer in the loop and according to the SOGA they are then responsible for up to 6 years to ensure that it is fit for purpose and of satisfactory quality (which covers failures due to a manufacturing fault).

This also means you could then repurchase from somewhere else a) more quickly and b) possibly cheaper :thumbsup:

 

I configured this machine this morning on the US website. The pre-discount price was $1910 with tax included. Even with a generous discount I would guess that I am still looking at a cost of over $1600. This is just my personal opinion but I do not think that the price difference between this machine and the Y2P is reasonable. Add to that the fact that this is a first generation product. If you need features that the TPY has, that is very understandable. If you need a machine that is more durable, that is understandable. If you are like me and you just need a good, portable computer that doesn't weigh a lot, and if you take good care of your electronics, get the Y2P.

Just my OPINION and I have nothing against Thinkpads. I own several.

 

In addition to the photos and videos I posted earlier...I decided to write a bit of a review. It's not completely finished yet, but may answer some questions. I haven't done the "performance" section yet, so it's really only about the build, keyboard, etc.

Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Review | IT Hacks

 

Good point, although in my experience, ThinkPad is more reliable than Ideapad. My brother-in-law always bought IBM, & later Lenovo ThinkPads. He decided to save a bit & went for the Ideapad earlier this year. Backspace & a couple more keys stopped working after few months, so he's now back on ThinkPad (X1 Carbon this time).

 

Consumer protection was why I was originally going to go through Dabs. I have now asked Lenovo to put my case on hold (so they don't send out a courier tomorrow) and will do some research on Distance Selling Regulations / prepare to call Dabs tomorrow first thing to arrange refund.

Their original argument of "You went online" and "You installed something" seem rather null points as this is not under the "Software" exclusions really, or shouldn't be as it is a hardware product. Additionally the laptop is now back to factory settings and so all changes I made are now gone, and yet the issue remains.

This would enable me to buy it direct from Lenovo, and I would probably add on the on-site warranty following this, adding 2-year on-site using their "SUPERCHARGE" discount code will only cost about £20 more than it cost originally, but will be a LOT easier if any hardware faults do occur. Or I can just get it a bit cheaper. Or I can check up on the 4600u models.

 

Looks great. Sadly you didn't test the digitizer version tho, that may have cleared up some questions. Thanks for sharing.

 

Hi All,

Just wanted to relay my thanks for all the great posts and reviews on this site, especially from the pre-release testers like lead_org and ces5

I am very interested in this laptop, and was wondering if anyone with the digitizer version has tried Photoshop or a more 3D intensive program like ZBrush or Maya? I have seen the Surface Pro 2 and Cintiq Companion handle these programs and fully expect the TPY to be able to just as well if not better due to the better processor/ram configuration, but if there is anyone out there that has access to this software and is willing to post a video I would really appreciate it. I know there is a large community of digital artists out there looking for a digitizer enabled convertible who would also benefit from such a review.

Thanks again for everything!

 

Use code CJNOV10UK instead for even bigger discount, and go through Quidco for 3% cashback. I'm getting £30 cashback for going through Quidco.

 

Until this purchase I have not given a thought to anything other than the Thinkpad. My work requires something that I can rely on. I would depend on my W530 for doing work before the Y2P anytime. When I need something to take on a weekend trip, I do not even consider taking the W530. I learned that lesson with my T series laptops. My thinking is that the next TPY will be the one to buy.

 

Not sure if this has been covered, was reading the pages over a few days but on the US site only 4GB ram is configurable, can more be added later or is 4 the max? Was hoping 8 was possible as I run VMWare to access certain applications that need to be separate so it's nice to be able to have 8GB of ram to dedicate 1-2GB to VMware and not have to worry about maxing out the 4GB.

 

Thanks for the heads up, though I guess I will need to get confirmation of the Dabs refund prior to ordering a new one (well, will see what my boss says, considering the lead times he may just say order it esp as that discount code seems to be time-sensitive) - I will probably be looking to go for a 2 or 4 year on-site warranty.

 

Right now you can only get 4GB of ram with the i5 and 8GB of ram with the i7. I suspect that there will be more options in a the coming weeks

 

The ram is soldered to the board and is not configurable - there is a link somewhere in this thread to the Lenovo support training documentation - where you can see that none of the hardware can officially be replaced by the end user - and the memory is definitely soldered to the board. It looks like the hard disk is probably user replaceable - even though Lenovo state that it should only be done by a trained technician.

 

Yes, CS representatives everywhere do their damndest to make out that regulations don't apply! However, to be fair to Lenovo in this instance they don't have a statutory responsibility to you - that lies with Dabs.

I think in your case it is the Sales of Goods Act which is most applicable, as it has a clear manufacturing fault (presumably with a Lenovo ticket number to prove it), so is not of 'satisfactory quality'. You just have to contact Dabs and ask for a refund. They may offer a repair or exchange, but you don't have to take it and can insist on a refund.

BTW, see whether the following code I found online works for you if you buy directly from the Lenovo site: CJNOV10UK

 

I am not exactly sure what HHD or SSD the TP Yoga uses. If I end up buying the HDD, I will replace it right away with the Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD. I heard there may be compatibility issues, but I guess the only way to know if it works is if you try it. I won't be doing this until January 2014 though.

 

If anyone has a working digitizer LTPY in Scandinavia - please update the forum. I'm gonna hold off my order until I can be sure that its just the UK that has the digitizer issue - and not the whole of Europe...

 

I'm sure that you are right, as the UK site has 8GB i5

 

The 256GB SSD in my model is a Samsung mz7td256hafv - which is a bit slower than an 840.

I popped in my 512GB 840 Pro with Windows 8.1...no problems...where did you see about compatibility issues?

 

Oh didn't even notice 8 came up with the i7. People say the i7 has lower battery life than the i5, what kind of lower life are we talking about here? This is just used primarily with office applications so web browsing etc, thanks!

 

Hi there,

That code does work. I have emailed Dabs politely fully explaining the case requesting refund. I will be calling them tomorrow to confirm, and if they confirm that they will collect + refund then I will be ordering one from Lenovo tomorrow with that discount code + 2 years on site warranty. The lead time is 1-2 weeks, but still beats the other approaches

 

ces5, glad to know there arn't any problems. I heard from lead_org that some others reported issues with the t440s, but he wasn't sure if these issues would carry over to the thinkpad yoga.

I'm glad that you were able to get it to work, and that it works with the 512GB model as well. I'm planning to buy the TP Yoga with an HDD built in, then I'll just replace it. I understand that the HDD models come with a small SSD drive for cache. If I put in my own SSD drive, would I have to remove the small SSD drive for cache or can I keep it in?

 

The SSD is inbuilt to the HDD, so removing the HDD will remove both

 

I was thinking that too, but watching the service videos for the TP Yoga here seems to show that there is a separate SSD drive. See the FRU videos in this link: RTPW1230_ThinkPad_YogaUltrabook

 

From the user manual it seems like the cache SSD is just detected as a normal drive (it warns not to try installing the os on it) and the caching is done in software.

 

I doubt it, but if somoene with a HDD can confirm hardware ID we can check it easily enough. I'm pretty sure most hybrid drives work like this. Also saw in the specs that the TPY supports both 7&9mm drives, I may be wrong but tink I read somoene said only 7mm earlier?

 

On the UK site, there is now an option for Intel wireless 7260ac. So I've ordered again, and requested cancellation for the older order.

 

The standard digitizer model number that is sold in Europe is

20CD0038XX

where XX is the country code UK, SP, GE, FR...

LENOVO THINKPAD TP YOGA CI7-4500U 8GB 256SSD 12.5IN TOUCH W8.1P

Can anyone with the same model not in UK check if the digitizer problem is present?

 

The cache drive would be a separate SanDisk 16GB M.2 drive. The slot is empty in the SSD model, and has the cache drive in the HDD model.

Cache drives show up as separate drives if formatted. If not formatted they stay hidden.

Lenovo also has options (not yet) for a solid state hybrid drive (SSHD), which has the cache built-in...similar to the Seagate here: Fast Laptop SSHD: Thin HDD 1TB Hybrid SSD | Seagate

The difference being the SSHD itself will determine caching priority instead of the laptop/storage drivers in the case of a separate hard drive + cache drive.

Also, regarding the 840 Pro: I installed it and it "worked" but I haven't played with the system enough to notice any quirks (freezing or crashing). I'll check out the forums to see what issues they are having. If it's a booting or install issue, that's one thing, but if it's freezing or crashing in Windows it's probably Intel RST drivers, LPM (Link Power Management) and DIPM (Device Initiated Power Management), which might need to be disabled. My W520 had those issues when taxing the hard drive under load with an Intel drive (wrote about it here last year: http://www.ithacks.com/2012/10/14/fixing-an-ssd-freezing-on-windows-7/ ).

 

An admin from the Lenovo forum told me they tried 3 thinkpads that are not affected by the digitizer problem, don't know which models. They are searching the cause at the moment... Some hope but i'll wait

 

ThinkPad Yoga is now in the PSREF / edgebook:
http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/edgebook.pdf

Acoring to these informations, the ThinkPad Yoga (full name ThinkPad S1 Yoga) has in fact a Magnesium/Aluminium + Polyphenylene sulfi de (PPS) displaycover.

 

Just placing my order for the i7 (3.3G), 256G Sata, 8G Ram TPY in Canada!!

Got 10% off too!

 

Just placed my order:
- FHD + Pen
- i5-4200u
- 8GB RAM
- 256GB SSD
- The Intel AC WLAN adapter

From the german store.

Also, I don't know if this is a mistake or smth, if you place your order in the german store, you can get a carry bag and a back pack for 1€ each with the Thinkpad. Ordered them just because they were 1€ each. lol

 

I just had a quick look, and a couple of things caught my eye:

1) Confirmation that the TPM chip is standard
2) Despite coming without any WWAN option at the moment, it does list: One M.2 Card slot for support of WWAN card or SSD. One can hope that this means that a WWAN module can be retrofitted.

 

How did you get the 10% off if you don't mind me asking?

I've got pretty much the same system in my cart right now, though with a 128GB SSD, but I can't get any coupons to works. $1779.99 is a little steep for me right now.

Been lurking this post daily for over a month, so glad I can finally order it.

 

You can use the coupon that was posted a few pages back.. it seems to work on the Canadian site as well. 12CLOSE0624 gives a 12% discount. Also if you're looking for a discount on the extended warranties.. there is an EPP link posted on redflagdeals (not sure what the rules on linking are here.. so google for it). It knocks the 3 yr depot + accidental damage protection from $330 something to $270 something. You can use the 12% coupon in addition.

 

Use eCoupon 12CLOSE0624. It's weird the EPP store has no discounts only on warranty, wonder if that will change.

 

@sjrahn, I went through the chat line. On my invoice it has a code, try this 10CLOSE1125

 

Can you please run some disk tests on the TPY SSD? Its performance is very important for to understand which version (native SSD or HDD>swap to Samsung 840 Pro) to choose.

Thank you.