Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

will the hangout be recorded? (published on youtube?) for the people who are not able to watch it live?

 

Did you run benchmark in laptop mode and tablet mode? I would like to see if the CPU is throttling in tablet bode, like the Yoga Pro.

And thank you for your great review.

 

I just received the email that my shipment was delayed but my estimated dates haven't changed again.

I'm guessing the system was supposed to send that email when the date went from the 3rd to 9th and didn't.

 

Nice review, thanks! Did you disable auto brightness?

 

they are recorded for later enjoyment. So don't worry if you can't see it live.

 

Yeah i did .

It was more turn on turn off flickering (total black) xD

 

Another review of the ThinkPad Yoga: Hands-on: Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga (Intel Core-i7 4500U; 8GB RAM) - Notebooks - CNET Asia

 

That doesn't really look like a review, it looks like a summary of facts with some stock photos. Like, nothing about the actual usage. How is the build quality? How long does the battery last? How does the Yoga stand in everyday use?

The post on the previous page looks more like a review, btw, thanks for that. Awesome post

 

Well, there is a short video review. The written part actually really is a summary of the facts.

 

I plan on trying this out when I get mine. Should be right up your alley
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I just got my notice too. I was hoping this would not happen with the Thinkpad Yoga with its premium price like it did for the people who ordered the Yoga2Pro. The stores all had stocks of the units but the customers who ordered directly from Lenovo could not get theirs.

 

Oh. Nvm then, I didn't see the video.

 

Thanks for the awesome post! I hope you get everything sorted out, sounds like the perfect machine for me now

 

Ordered a 8 GB / 256 GB / i7-4600u from the US site. My ship date got pushed from 6th to 11th.

I'm really looking forward to working/playing w. it.

 

Does anyone know if THIS ssd ngff will work for sure in the Thinkpad Yoga?

 

If I upgrade the SSD myself, will that void my warranty?

 

Just ordered mine yesterday! Can anyone recommend a good sleeve/case?

 

I've ordered the 13-inch ThinkPad reversible sleeve. If,you check the last 6-7 pages of this thread, there are a couple more suggestions.

 

I know others have said it - but just want to say - great review Species13 - you've supplied more details in that one post than I have found anywhere else!

 

Post duped by mistake - would delete if I could...

 

Here you can read something about the m.2 SSDs. On the T440s this particular SSD seemss to work:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/len...m-2-ssds-t440s-other-new-haswell-lenovos.html

 

Since there are a lot TPY owners out that have a TYP with SSD, what SSD brand is used? I did not find an answer to this question. I'd be interested to see what SSDs are used in the 128GB and 256GB versions.

 

Thanks for your detailed thoughts Species13!

I expected other wacom pens to work with the digitizer but I am glad that it's confirmed the eraser works like on the SP pen.

Anybody have a recommendations for good pens to buy?

 

Hello, is there a gap between the dot in the screen and the physical lead of the surface pro pen ?
I have a note 10.1 and the dot is slightly off when i use another pen.

 

I just can tell you that mine 256 model was Form Samsung.

One aspect on the Tpy is that the first units are a bit low on quality control for thinkpad series. Maybe later Produktion will improve it.

Im Holding back Benchmarks couse i missed to do them in tablet mode and not full performance mode (maybe some one else has), and i like to validate the data (friday)

Another thing you might like to know is that the coating has a weired effect. The Text in Browser gets a bit blurry... On the desktop and tiles they sharp.

Oh and one more to the battery... The 7.5 hrs i reached light work was 2hr just reading PDF the display was around 40-50%

The charging (no stopped time just came back after 3hrs) it was fully loaded from 4%too100%

 

Thanks for sharing! I'm not sure perhaps it's just my imagination but I think the ghosting on my device is getting worse .. I will definitely wait to hear some of your experiences before I'll contact lenovo. Has somebody else noticed this issue on their device yet? I'll post a video to show you what I mean (found it on youtube, although it's a mbp it's the same issue).

Apple rMBP Retina Macbook Pro Display Image Ghosting Problem - YouTube

 

They're Samsung 840 I believe.

Wish they've used 840 evo, which is much better.

 

After my disappointment with T440s, Im looking at Yoga. I've problem making up my mind if I should get a i5-4G-128G or i7-8G-256G version. The I5 is on amazon for 949 now, while the i7 one is $350 more expensive, $1299 on newegg.

I'm a college freshmen who multitask a lot, computer engineering. My ram average is about 3.0G+ Almost all time on my T420, sometimes 5G.I can stand i5,(given shorten battery life) and fine with 128G ssd. But constantly using ssd paging file is not so great. 4GB almost feels unusable. However, on the other hand, I can't justify spending $350 more just for the ram and minor updates.

Any idea? Are there any alternative I might use to get over the 4GB problem?

Also, does any of you use 100% scaling?

Thanks!

 

As I said I was only switching from the XPS12 to the TPY because of the ghosting/image retention issue... My dell salesman told me that this is a known issue that affects all devices as the panels are all manufactured by LG. They are on it but can't tell when it is going to be resolved. But he was assuring me that they will replace all the devices. As a date he told me around end of January, beginning of February.
Now to the comparison:

Docking/Digitizer:
You wont get that on the XPS 12 so point here for the TPY. Not sure though I thoguht there was a USB3.0 dock for the dell as well (similar to this here Targus USB 3.0 Dual Video Docking Station : Notebook-Zubehör für die Unternehmen | Dell Deutschland) But to be honest I didn't inform myself about that. A digitizer similar to that one on the Yoga ofc isn't possible, but to be honest I was expecting more than I actually got. Still after the "fix" I'm not perfectly happy with the accuracy. So make your mind up if you really need both.

Transformation:
Both are very very solid in tablet mode. Switching in my opinion is easier and way more convenient on the Dell as it's faster and you can switch using only one hand. However as the screen is rotary on the XPS it's not as stable as the TPY when you are touching the screen in laptop mode. Build quality in my opinion is good on the TPY, but I would say it's a little bit better on the XPS. There was no cracking or so on when I carried it around or placed it on my lap. On the TPY there is.

Heat/Noise
I was using the first model of the XPS12 that had the ivy bridge processor built inside. I have to say that the laptop did get hot and this is (at least until now) a plus on the TPY. The Yoga only gets warm. BUT my dell salesman told me that the newer models with the haswell processors are running way cooler. But I have no experience ofc with the newer model. The fan noise was in my opinion more "comfortable" on the XPS. It was a little bit louder I would say but when my TPY is turning up its fan you can here a very high-pitched note/sound/beep. Im not sure if thats only my device. Has somebody else noticed it?

Keyboard
I would say both have a great keyboard when you remember that they are ultrabooks. Key travel perhaps is slightly better on the TPY, but still I like them both a lot and I was able to write fast and comfortable on both notebooks. If you need the backlight I can say that the one on the Dell is in my opinion way brighter and more comfortable. I think the keyboard on the XPS is also a little bit bigger (not the keys themselves but the keyboard as such).

Touchpad
The first generation of the dell had slight problems with responsiveness concerning the touchpad in some situations (It didnt respond for a few seconds). My salesman told me that they are using newer touchpad in the haswell model and that this issue is completely resolved. Build quality in my opinion is better on the dell as there is no cracking when you solely touch it without pressing too hard. But I really like the touchpad on the Lenovo as it works great until now.

Performance
No difference here. Had the i5 8gb on the xps and Im now using the i7 8gb on the TPY. Both work great and very fast and are very responsive (at least for my needs).

Screen quality
Well ghosting on both devices which is very sad . Both are very sharp (FullHD on both) but in my opinion the Dell beats the lenovo here by far. Way brighter and readable also when using the notebook in brighter sunlight kind of strange as I thought th lenovo will perform better here because of the anti glare display. (I was using the XPS with around 60% brightness and it's equal to approx. 85%-90% on the lenovo. (huge bummer when turning it on for the first time)

I think thats all for now if you have further questions feel free to ask. I don't want to give you any advice on what to choose I am/was happy with both devices. Let me use the lenovo for a few weeks and I can propably say which one I like better in total.

 

So estimate shipping date is now 12/13 on website. Did you guys check yours?

 

Hey guys! I cannot decide between the CPU options. The i7-4600U is kinda expensive to me to afford. I am considering the i5-4300U and i7-4500U. What are the differences? Is it really a big change in the speed? I am a student and I do heavy processing stuff once in a while. Also, is the price of i7-4600U justify its performance? It would really means alot if you guys could help me decide.

 

Mine is still the 9th.

i7 4600U 8GB 128GB and AC wifi

 

As has been linked already, here's a link comparing the 4 i5/i7 processor options side by side ARK | Compare Intel® Products

The 4300/4600 have the vPro features, primarily only relevant for security + virtualisation, so for a student it depends on whether you are doing a lot of that kinda thing. Realistically, the features on the 4300/4600 v 4200/4500 probably won't really matter to most people.

Performance-wise, the 4300 is practically the same clock speed as the 4500, it just has 3MB of cache instead of 4MB. The 4500 vs the 4600 just gets you a few hundred MHz more.

It depends how tight your budget is really. The 4300, or even the 4200, would probably do what you need pretty much as well as the i7s. I know this isn't really helpful to you making your decision. Ultimately I can't see them making *much* difference, but I will be going for the 4600 as soon as it is available in the UK. My reason for that though is due to the virtualisation features, the fact it is a little bit faster, and that it's going to be my primary dev machine.

On the US site you do seem to have 1 other consideration. The i5's only have 4GB of memory while the i7's have 8GB. If the i5's are available with 8GB then I can't see the option. This means that the prices just changing processor are as follows, including the cost for the memory upgrade (so the processor upgrade quoted is misleading)

4200 / 4gb : 1299
4300 / 4gb : 1399 ( +100 )
4500 / 8gb : 1589 ( +290 )
4600 / 8gb : 1699 ( +400 )

So if you need 8GB of memory, keeping in mind that it is soldered on and so NOT upgradable later on, then you are already looking at 1589. At that level, I'd personally pay a little bit more and get the 4600 if I could afford it.

 

Species13, Thanks man! Exactly the information I was after, especially as a digital artist myself.

 

Thank you for your response. In the US we can order the i5-4300U option with the 8GB RAM so it is not going to effect the system performance RAM wise. To select that when you select the i5-4300U CPU another option will be added to the mother board that will change the RAM to 8GB.
So it's just the matter of extra $170 for the i7-4600U comparing to i5-4300U. Is that price justify the difference in the performance?

 

BTW, CostCo has the i5/4GB/128 GB SSD for $900

Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga Touchscreen Convertible Ultrabook | Intel Core i5 |1080p | Backlit Keyboard

 

Wow! That's a great price. Wish I didn't need the digitizer.

 

Mine is still 12/6. That's for the base config (i5 4GB ram 128GB SSD)

 

Thnkpad Yoga Event on Google+, begins in 5 minutes.

 

And the i7/8gb/256 gb ssd for $1200.

Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga Touchscreen Convertible Ultrabook | Intel Core i7 |1080p | Backlit Keyboard

I might just have to take that down to my Fry's and have them price match for instant gratification :thumbsup: I'd frankly rather get the X240, but equipped the same (except only HD as FHD not out yet) the X240 is $1700. I don't see it coming down that much. So if I get the Yoga and put in the 128gb M2 drive and a 750GB hd I already own I would have enough data space and spend much less money and have the cool Yoga features.

Do we know how thick of a hard drive can be put in the Thinkpad Yoga? 9mm, 7mm???

 

I'm not one to complain TOO much about pricing, but man...compare this to Lenovo's site, and they're basically telling us that the digitizer is a $500 option? Ha, ha. Yeah, okay. As much as I want to get my hands on a ThinkPad Yoga, I feel like I have to hold out and see if the models with the digitizer are eventually offered by resellers. My wallet (and wife) will appreciate it.

 

I'm considering getting a new laptop (currently have a Thinkpad T60 that is showing its age) and I think I've narrowed it down to the Thinkpad Yoga, Asus Zenbook Infinity, and perhaps the Sony Flip 13 (officemate has one, I need to try it out). I'm leaning to the Yoga, but there don't seem to be too many hands-on reviews out there (the ones provided in this thread are very much appreciated). I tried out a Thinkpad Yoga in a store today, and noticed a few things:

1) The built-in camera seems to be absolutely awful...my expectations for a camera on a laptop aren't high (the T60 doesn't even have one), but this was pretty bad, very noisy. The camera on the Asus seemed much better (not great, but not awful). Has anyone tried the Yoga camera and had similar experience with horribly noisy video?

2) Somehow this model in the store (in Boston) didn't seem to have a pen...and the corner location where I believe the pen was stored seemed to have a blank piece of plastic permanently covering it...I thought all US models had a digitizer and pen? This was a Thinkpad Yoga, not a Yoga 13 or Yoga 2 Pro.

3) Battery life...I've read a review of an early model that indicated 5 hours, but then on this thread the most recent review suggests ~7 hours of light-medium usage. Does anyone else have any experience with the battery life for the Yoga?

If anyone has any thoughts about the Thinkpad Yoga vs the Asus Zenbook Infinity, I'd love to hear them. I know they are sorta different...the Zenbook isn't a hybrid/convertible, costs a whole lot more, is bigger, lighter, and I think (but not sure) has worse battery life.

 

I see now (from reviews on some resellers websites) that some models in the US seem to come without a stylus (does that mean no digitizer?). Funny, because the Lenovo website claims "All models include a digitizer pen to maximize productivity on your ThinkPad Yoga."(under Features). So do they all come with a pen and digitizer as promised, or not?

 

No DrNeon, they are not. There are 2 models out there. One with the digitizer (mostly sold on Lenovo website) and the other only with the touch screen. I do not want to sound rude, but though I do not own a thinkpad yoga, I took the time and read all the pages on this forum. Except the camera issue (with the video problem), all your answers are there.

This is a wonderful machine, but all depends what you are using it for. Sony Flip is a good option, but if you look at all machines out there, each one has some issues that in time can be lived with or be fixed either by a software / firmware or tweaking it. You have to write down on a paper what is a machine useful to you for and then narrow it to the best options according to your budget. I hope you will get what you are looking for.

 

Thanks for your help, and sorry I didn't read all 115 pages in extreme detail. I understand now that the Lenovo website refers only to what they sell, and not all the other models (ie sold by resellers). Wasn't able to delete my post fast enough. Perhaps misleading (it wasn't clear whether they were speaking as a vendor or manufacturer), perhaps I'm being silly. I have been following the Zenbook mostly, and recently started looking at the Yoga. Unfortunately Googling "Thinkpad Yoga" brings up a bunch of Yoga 13 and Yoga 2 Pro stuff which isn't relevant (Google associates the keyword "Thinkpad" with "Lenovo"). And I haven't had much luck finding a list of specific model numbers/product IDs and exact associated configurations for each (perhaps this is somewhere in this forum, I'll check).

The old "depends on what you are looking for" advice is true of course, but not so helpful without more specific information about the pros and cons of each choice. I was hoping someone besides myself would have compared these machines side-by-side in person and have noticed other pros/cons of each in comparison to the other. But perhaps this is not the right thing to ask on a forum such as this. What I am looking for is something that is light, small-ish, good screen, good battery life, good performance, excellent keyboard (for me, Zenbook is slightly better than Yoga for a few subtle reasons...I typed on each for about 15 minutes at the store), perhaps convertible/hybrid (if so, Yoga or Yoga-like conversion), not a Mac, good touchpad (and if possible trackpoint), etc. I don't really care about resolutions beyond 1920x1080 (current scaling issues will eventually be fixed, yes, but 1080p looks fine to me on these sizes). So yes, I want everything to work, and work well (glad the black hole seems to have been fixed). By asking others, hopefully I can avoid having to rely on software or firmware updates to fix annoyances as much as possible. The unit will be used for giving presentations, taking notes in meetings, working and watching movies on planes and in airports, perhaps reconstructing large (>800MB) datasets of 3D microscopy data in realtime if possible (desktop does this for now), coding in Matlab and perhaps Labview, showing videos at poster sessions (tablet modes are useful for this, but not necessary), data processing in ImageJ/FIJI, email and browsing and so on, and hopefully as many other tasks as I throw at it.

 

If you check mobile tech review, it mentions 7mm.

MobileTechReview Forum, News and Reviews: Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Video Review: the ThinkPad that Bends Over Backwards for You

 

What is the typical battery life for the TPY if the screen was always on?

A few pages before, someone said he was getting 2 something hours with 50% brightness and watching videos. I'm getting slightly longer life on my ancient X220 but then the screen resolution isn't all that great on mine.

Thanks in advance.

 

The range I've been hearing is around the 4 hour mark for continuous video play. You may be able to stretch out to 5-6+ hours with just light use..eg web browsing, office, reading etc.

Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Review | IT Hacks

Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Review - YouTube
She talks about the battery a little after the 17:00 minute mark.

Keep in mind that in both reviews, an i7/8gb/SSD/1920x1080 FHD without Digitizer model is being shown.

I don't know about getting 2 hours, but I haven't gotten my unit yet so who knows.
However, I'm more inclined to believe that there is a defective battery or something if someone is getting just 2 hours on a 4th gen Haswell. Sound questionable to you?

 

Yeah you bring up a good point. The same configuration on Lenovo's site, i7, 256gb SSD, 8mb memory, is over $1700. So the only difference is the digitizer and it's a $500 one at that. Unfortunately, the digitizer pen is the most attractive thing to me about the laptop. When it first became available on Lenovo's site and people were getting discounts bringing the same configuration down closer to $1500 that seemed like a more reasonable price. Maybe in the coming weeks they will have some holiday discounts.

Anyone know from experience if Lenovo's prices on new laptops tend to come down a bit once they've been out a short while? Or anyone think the digitizer version will become available to other re-sellers?

 

Looks like my ship date just got pushed back to the 11th from the 9th