Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

This is true. I definitely wouldn't cancel just because of it. Several Manufacturers have the same problem. I've had numerous ThinkPad's and only 1 in about 10 of them had this problem, but both my Sony Vaio's have had the problem, the most recent being my Duo 11 last year. I think the best course is to roll the dice. See if the one you get has the problem. If it does, then return it for a replacement or refund. Just don't wait for the return window to close. This monkey business with having to send a brand new laptop in for service is BS. That definitely won't be me.

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My sounds don't work as they should and I'll return my unit second time. More information in thread on official lenovo forum. Let's hope the third unit will be good

 

LG AH-IPS panels have been known to have image retention issues for quite some time.

Sharp IGZO panels and Samsung PLS panels seem to have less issues with image retention so look for tablets that use those panels instead.

Maybe Lenovo might switch to a better quality panel after a redesign. The downside is that Lenovo would probably increase the price of the Yoga if they did that though.

 

Is there am easy way to tell which one you have?

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I'm quite sure all ThinkPad Yogas use AH-IPS panels. If you are talking about Apple laptops then someone else on this forum can better answer your question.

Maybe if there is a 13" ThinkPad Yoga , we'll see some IGZO panels being used.

For now just play the waiting game and see what happens.

In other news , Broadwell has been delayed so Haswell chips will still be considered modern for a longer time.

 

I've seen that post but was not able to get that resolution from my TPY. I'm not sure what am I doing wrong, according to Intel website the using their newest drivers HDMI should go up to 2560x1600 but its not. There may be some other hardware limitation.

 

Does the TPY have any battery management like the Yoga 2 Pro?

On the Y2P you have the option to have it plugged in while the battery stays at 60%.

I read that it's better to have it plugged in while you're using it for a long period of time. Rather than charging it full and unplugging it.

 

If it's anything like the T-series then it depends on whether you're using Win7 or Win8. Lenovo power manager, which allows you to set charge thresholds, is only available for Win7. The workaround in Win8 is a registry hack, which I'm currently using on my T440p

 

You can use Power-Manager | thinkutils to set charging thresholds

 

LG Philips is the only manufacturer of 12.5" IPS panels, so yes - all TPYs have the same crappy panel. The problem is not with the underlying technology they use (as there are panels using the same tech that do not exhibit nearly as much ghosting), but apparently with their specific tech process/chemistry. It's unlikely that another manufacturer would step in - 12.5" market is not that big/lucrative.

Frankly, they should have kept their usual TN panel. Thinkpads have always had bland, uninspiring screens and it worked, because that was supposed to be a workhorse laptop - so as long as you can see your spreadsheet or visual studio properly that was enough. But nowadays everyone wants a beautiful IPS panel with good viewing angles and color reproduction for watching movies and working in Photoshop so they have no choice but to stick in an IPS panel, but they are not doing it for the right reasons - they just know that people look for IPS in the spec when buying laptops - so they add it to the spec.
They could have used 13" panel which has much wider range of suppliers and there are high quality models available, but if you have been building tractors for your whole life and now you hear that people want luxury and try to add some to your tractor - you end up with this:

 

I called Lenovo support in NL today, they pointed me to Lenovorecovery.com, that thing wants to know "Family name" of TPY and as far as I can see it's not listed there .. any ideas what it can be?

 

The TPY is an ThinkPad Edge S1 Yoga but its not on that list at all

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I fail to see how the mower deck will be low enough to actually cut the blades of grass...gonna be some unhappy customers. ;-)

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There was an older Lenovo dependency package that enabled you to charge to 50%. The newer Lenovo dependency packages remove this feature, and some have wondered why. It turns out that the newer models of ThinkPads have a different technology where having charging thresholds could perhaps even be harmful for the battery. What I noticed when I was charging to 50% was that when I went on battery it would discharge abnormally fast. When I turned off the feature and charged to 100%, then my battery discharged at a normal rate. So I don't use the feature anymore and just charge to 100%

 

Just a heads up to everyone that Lenovo released a BIOS update recently. You can get it through your Lenovo system update software

 

How much battery life do you experience in practice with your ThinkPad Yoga?

Lenovo advertises 8 hrs, but I usually don't trust the manufacturer for that. I expect to have WiFi on and brightness up. My use-case is writing code: simple text-editing sometimes, then bursts of compilation where the CPU needs to run like crazy.

I'm loving the TPY but really wish it had the PowerBridge hotswappable battery :/ and wish they had fit a 13.3" screen into that case (instead of huge borders around the screen, but those are normal for a "tablet mode" computer I guess...)

 

On energy saver with 50% brightness, I can get an honest run of 7:30hr. This is doing web browsing, ms office 2013 applications, and some video streaming. Whenever I am not using my computer I close the lid to put it to sleep, and the battery barely drains at all while on sleep. I can easily get through a work day without charging.

By the way, last night I streamed an HD video that was 1 and a half hours long on XBOX video at 60% brightness, and it burnt exactly 27% of my battery, which is pretty good.

 

Hey guys i'm experiencing a strange problem with my yoga. When watching video, whether streaming or downloaded, sometimes the video will stutter and the audio with slur. Anyone else experiencing this and perhaps what might be causing it?

 

I use both XBMC and MPC-HC as playback devices. XBMC sometimes stutters when playing back a mkv file, MPC-HC does not. I've watched a few movies using MPC-HC as the playback device and it's always been perfect.

MPC-HC does not stream movies like XBMC.

 

Awesome... thanks for the heads up!

 

just curious, czm, did your order ship yet? mine is still sitting on 2/26

 

also, did you all notice that it seems that the US Store no longer is offering traditional HDDs? Only 128, 180, and 256 SSDs again.

 

I saw that as well. Makes me very happy I ordered when I did, as I saved a ton of dough by getting a regular HD--enough to pay for the Samsung EVO 500gb ssd I'll be putting in it the day I get the yoga!

 

Nooooooooo... I waited too long Was hoping for a 15% off around valentine's day

 

No, unfortunately it has not. Still sitting with an Estimated Ship Date of 02/28. It will need to ship by today or tomorrow in order to keep in the timeline he gave me, and I doubt that's gonna happen. I've played around with the online configuration a bit and my configuration definitely has the longest ship time. To make matters worse, they all of a sudden don't offer the HDD combo I chose. Makes me nervous on two fronts. 1) Are they out of parts and will it delay longer. Or 2) Is there a problem with that HHD. So I wait...

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I have set the stop-charging threshold to 80% and I am experiencing the fast battery discharging too. What type of battery technology do the newer thinkpads have? Has Lenovo implemented charging thresholds directly on hardware? Since I can not find any relevant information can you provide me any links that give details about the new battery technology?

 

The HIGHEST discount that you'll ever see for the ThinkPad Yoga is 12% which I'm sure is still easy to get if you talk to a rep. If ever you see anything higher, it will probably be months later when they plan to release new machines with newer components. Also I really wouldn't count on waiting for discounts like that come along. So if you see the configuration that you want and can get the 12% discount, I'd say buy right away because there is no assurance for the future.

 

Check page 6 of this thread. The discussion on batteries starts from the very top: http://forum.notebookreview.com/len...shes-first-thinkpad-without-trackpoint-6.html

So anyone planning on or currently charging to certain thresholds should probably stop and just be content charging to 100%. I have stopped charging to 50% and am glad that things are back to normal.

 

Thanks a lot. Have you removed both the start and stop charging thresholds? I'll try to keep the start charging threshold to 40% and remove only the stop threshold and see how it goes.

 

That's exactly what I did, only I was able to get a 14% discount from the rep. I think some can and some can't though. I had to speak to a couple of different reps and one (my second call) even commented she wasn't authorized to offer any price on the TPY other than the standard price. When I called back a 3rd time I got another guy (different from the first) and it was no problem at all. Saved more over a couple hundred dollars.

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By all accounts the Yoga is pretty popular right now, which is probably going to limit the discounts.

 

Somehow I think there will be quite a few discounts on the Yoga. You'll just have to look carefully for them like you look carefully for problems.

Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Users Plagued by Screen Ghosting Issues, Lenovo Is Working on It

 

Here is another ThinkPad Yoga Review

 

Hello All !

Thank you to everyone who contributed to this thread ! I rarely write on forums, but thought I would on this occasion just to thank everyone for the great information and experience you have made available on the TPY (I have probably read the whole thread before buying!). I have received my own unit yesterday (i7, 256gb ssd, fhd+pen, 8gb ram, dual a/c wifi), and it has been a joy to use so far. Completely silent machine, and even when the fan does go on, it is incredibly quiet and functions for short periods of time. Granted I did not do anything particularly intensive, but some normal day to day university work, note taking, lots of multitasking and entertainment.

My unit does not exhibit any ghosting (I have done the Macbook Pro image retention test), though in the test I was able to notice some backlight bleed... in practical usage and work environment, the backlight bleed is not visible at all. My machine is built solidly... there is some flex of the plastic near the windows button on the bottom of the screen as some have mentioned, though I really do not see that as an annoyance or defect, it is just a result of the material (plastic) being used. I gather if they have used metal on that part, the weight might have been significantly increased...

I also have the Onelink Pro dock, and have had no issues so far. I have a Dell 24 inch monitor (1920x1200), one logitech wireless keyboard and a logitech mouse attached to it, and everything seems to be working great. Maybe I am one of the lucky ones...

I am hoping that the ghosting issue will not come up on my unit, and have a feeling that it will not be a problem.

Best regards to anyone who contributed, I sincerely appreciate it

 

Thanks for this.

Do you normally use the screen at ~60% brightness? Why not brighter? I pretty much always have the brightness cranked up to 100% on any laptop I've ever used. Well sometimes I'd dim it on a Sony Vaio Z, that thing was nuisance-bright... do you turn it down just to save power? That's the type of thing I don't want to have to worry about in order to get 7 hours of battery life out of this thing.

Thanks again!

 

@chocolatemoo007: I appreciate the optimism of your post I agree that these forums and reviews have been extremely helpful.

 

Following up on a post I did last week My TPY is doing the following.

Any app that uses sound cause fan to go flat out, on desktop closing the app stops fan but win 8 apps don't stop unless I go to task manager and kill them. CPU is usually under 30%

Also killing "Audio Device Graph Isolation" audiodg.exe stops the fan from spinning. Google has some suggestions (i.e. disable audio enhancements) but nothing has worked.

On the assumption it was something I've installed I've done a factory reset on windows but the problem remains.

Has anyone any suggestions on what to do?

 

When on the road and I put the brightness down, it is because I want to save power. If you run the TPY at 100% brightness, you're looking at probably only 5 hours of run time, but I haven't tested this yet. The only other time I put down the brightness is when I am in a dark room as the screen on the TPY is super bright compared to most displays.

 

Glad this forum has helped! It also helped me before making a purchase, and I even found a 12% coupon code on this forum which saved me a good amount of money. It looks like you got a fully loaded machine. I hope you enjoy it! It seems there has been a lot of negativity surrounding Lenovo and the TPY. I personally have been enjoying my machine greatly since I received it, though it hasn't been flawless, but on the most part it has been the best machine I've ever owned to date. Keep up the good attitude as it will make all the difference.

By the way, It has almost been a month with my Yoga and there isn't even the slightest hint of ghosting as of yet, even when I leave the screen on for long and switch to a grey background. Hoping it will remain this way

 

Just a heads up that intel has new drivers for the dual band wireless AC 7260 and Bluetooth that is not yet offered through Lenovo website or update:

Wifi Dual Band AC 7260: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/co...ations &OSFullname=Windows+8.1,+64-bit*

Bluetooth: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/co...ductProduct=Intel®+Dual+Band+Wireless-AC+7260

I've noticed improvements with both wifi and Bluetooth since installing.

 

Infzy and Soul347,

Thank you four your replies ! I am coming from a 6 year old, 600$ hp laptop, and the yoga is a complete revolution for me in terms of style, performance, materials, capabilities, speed and overall feel. I have found out about the 12CLOSE coupon through this forum as well !

It has only been three days, but I too have been very much enjoying the thinkpad. I guess the problem with forums and online reviews is that they do not represent the average 75-80% (I would say) of people who get their product, use it, and are generally satisfied with it (they do not even go on forums or write reviews). The things we hear on the forums and on reviews are usually only very positive or very negative. I have been worrying somewhat reading all the issues people have mentioned and they are unfortunate, but on my part everything is going well. It is understandable that people expect something in this price range to be perfect... but life never is

I have a really minor issue with the trackpoint that maybe someone would have the knowledge to help with, but it is not really a problem. When I use the middle scrolling button and scroll through Chrome (or any other application) with the trackpoint, the scrolling is quite choppy. I would really love it to be as smooth as using the touchscreen to scroll through webpages, but even the trackpad doesn't scroll that smoothly, though the trackpad is much smoother at it than the trackpoint, which seems to skip lines randomly. The trackpad goes line by line... I have enabled smooth scrolling in chrome which seems to have made things a bit better.

It would be really great if pixel by pixel scrolling can be achieved with the trackpad and trackpoint! I have the 17.0.12.52 version of the ultranav driver installed, and there is no "smooth scroll" option when I go through the control panel. I have heard people saying the newest, 17.0.12.60 version of the driver is not very good, and that the 17.0.12.56 works well, but I can't really find it to download.

 

It's nice that you are enjoying your Yoga but keep in mind some people are used to premium $2000+ tablet PCs, so they of course are going to be losing some features that they have become accustomed to.

Some features that other tablet PCs have had in the past :
User upgradable RAM ( 8 GB in 2008 and 16 GB around 2011)
Multiple user removable batteries ( one main + one modular)
Bigger screen size (e.g. 13.3" with 16:10 aspect ratio)
Fingerprint reader
etc.

 

Soul347, improvements in terms of speed? Wifi seems to be solid on my machine, I don't really see what improvements might be needed. Haven't tried bluetooth yet

 

How is your network transfer speed?

 

What you're experiencing is normal. It isn't really a problem with the trackpoint, but rather the way scrolling is programmed on Windows, which is done line by line. The drivers for scrolling with a mouse, touchpad or trackpoint are still all the same, and unfortunately has not been able to come up to par with Apple software until now. The trackpad on the TPY is probably one of the best if not the best windows trackpad you will find in terms of scrolling. I personally don't understand why Windows can't seem to get scrolling to work with a mouse/trackpad the way it works with a touch screen. Hopefully one of these days windows will catch up with these seemingly small features along with many others they are taking their sweet time to improve on (e.g. proper scaling, different scaling on 2 separate monitors). What makes things even more difficult is you have literally thousands of different machines being produced under windows, so you'll have an even more difficult time having perfect harmony between software and hardware.

 

Here is another thread in another forum that talks about image retention.
AH-IPS panels are known to have those problems and Lenovo started using them in 2011 IIRC.

 

Hello, I'm glad you're happy with your machine. It's good to read another account of a unit without any problems. I imagine the big issue you are referring to here, that some people are having, is the image retention/ghosting. I was just thinking, reading through this thread and the one on the Lenovo support forums, that it seems that a lot of people experiencing this problem with the display purchased their machines from 3rd party retailers. Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen a lot of people who have this issue and who have purchased a custom-to-order direct from Lenovo.

Does this seem to be the case? Maybe they have a newer batch of panels that don't exhibit any image retention? Anybody who ordered theirs direct from Lenovo experiencing ghosting?

If the problem lies primarily with earlier batches in stock at 3rd party retail stores, then I'd feel better about ordering one... maybe soon!

 

Lenovo will probably get a good batch in around 6 months.


Ask people with the X220/t , and X230/t who got their panels replaced due to ghosting issues.

BTW , here is something for you to read:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/237105/article.html

 

So everyone else's TPY fan is off most of the time? I've a factory reset TPY here where the fan goes flat out doing anything with sound, playing an mp3 file just now, 2% CPU and fan is flat out!!!

 

Thank you for sharing the knowledge ! Let's wait and see what developers come up with

One thing I do notice now is that the trackpoint scrolls by larger increments (quantities of lines) than the trackpad. For some reason my trackpoint isn't choppy as it was before, but scrolling is really too fast for my liking (given the larger scroll increments). Still useable though