Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

Did your test installed cute the rope, funny game by the way, and nothing happens fans stays off while playing the game.

 

Thanks for that, what CPU do you have? I've I7-4500

 

Great find! Even without audio, just watching the video shows how easy it is to do a self upgrade. Of course there are also some technicalities when it comes to getting the operating system working on the new drive

 

I have a 20CD0038MH model also with i7 4500.

 

quick question for any TPY users currently using a USB3.0 ethernet adapter... did you have to do anything other than install the adapter driver to get ethernet working?

I have an adapter that works fine on my T440p but which refuses to work on the TPY. I installed the Asix AX88179 drivers package for Win8.1 x64 but every time I plug in the adapter I get an "unknown USB device" error and I'm even unable to manually update the driver (Windows says the current generic driver is more up to date than the Asix driver). All TPY software, drivers and Bios are up to date, so I'm at a loss what could be the problem. When I do exactly the same on my T440p (install same Asix driver package) I can plug the adapter in to a USB port and it works as it should -- showing up as a network device. Why on earth is this not working on the TPY?

 

This is a long shot but I was getting a usb error before when I had Seagate dashboard software installed on my computer. Not sure if perhaps you have that software, or any other software that could be conflicting with your drivers for your adapter?

 

He's added English subtitles.

 

So far I've not installed much on it at all (MS Office, a few Adobe applications). It's one of those infuriating issues that causes people to utterly hate Windows. For example, I uninstalled all the USB controllers from Device Manager, restarted the machine, plugged in the adapter and it worked! Then I unplugged it to test it again and I'm back to the USB error and/or the adapter not even being seen in the USB port. I have absolutely no idea why it decided to work once and then stop. Absolutely infuriating!

Update: still not working right, but I discovered a way to make it work temporarily that hopefully might shed some light on what's going wrong. If I uninstall the Asix driver package, restart the machine, then plug the adapter in, Windows configures it and it works as it should. If I then unplug the adapter and plug it back in later, it's not recognized at all. If I then restart the machine and plug it back in, I get the USB error. So the only way to get it to work for just one session is to install the Asix driver package, uninstall it and restart the computer. Clearly not a workable solution!

 

Glad to see you have the same driver as me AND you are not experiencing the network port flapping issue. When I get back to the office in a few days I will go through all the settings that you have. Might help me as well.

 

Sometimes the tpy gets hot at the bottom and I can hear the fan a little bit. When I go to Task Manager the CPU usage is around 29% (I'm just surfing). What is using 28% of the cpu is this: Thinkpad Onelink Dock Management (32 bit). I don't have the dock btw, this has happened before and I closed it through task manager. Is their any reason for this to happen? and how do I stop it from happening in the future?

Edit: after ending the task the fan noise stops and the CPU usage goes down to 2-3% at the moment.

 

I uninstalled the one dock app as I don't have a dock, easily installed later if you purchase one

 

Someone (bizguy) made an excellent post on the Lenovo forums watermark screen thread.

Thinkpad Yoga watermark screen issue - Page 7 - Lenovo Community

It's just a wonderfully argued, well thought out post that makes some great points and offers good advice on the issue. I really agree with what he's saying here and he sums up quite effectively how potentially problematic this issue could be. Hopefully they will take it to heart.

Just wanted to share.

 

Did you buy the Lenovo 3.0 ethernet adapter? If so I have one and the driver automatically loaded when I plugged it in. Didn't have to do anything. Did find a driver available on lenovo.com but it sounds like you installed the wrong driver and should delete the driver. When removing the driver windows will ask if you want to actually delete the driver and you need to click yes. Then plug in the USB adapter and all will be good. If you didn't buy the Lenovo one then I have no clue what driver you need.

 

I think I saw someone had this issue earlier, but I can't locate the post. Also, I am interested in seeing if anyone else has this issue.

This is an i7-4600u model with the 128gb SSD.

Every once in awhile, but seemingly more common now, I will switch from the desktop to the Metro interface. The Metro app I go to open will either crash, or more annoyingly, the entire computer will freeze for a few minutes and be completely unresponsive. Then it will begin catching up.

I don't have many things installed, and I will attempt a system restore soon to see if I can correct it, but just wanted to put it out there to see if anyone else has experienced this problem.

 

Hello all. I've been following this thread for some time, and it's been quite helpful, so a "thank you" in advance to everyone that's taken time to address so many issues and questions for the community. Anyway, I went ahead and purchased a TPY and have had it for a couple weeks now. Overall it's great, but I have run into some of the issues that have been floating around, most notably the OneLink (Pro) connection problems; haven't seen any ghosting, but I honestly spend probably 75% of my time using an external KVM setup, so if the display does start acting up, it may be a while till I see it. Otherwise, most of my pains have been related to Win8.1 (but we'll leave that for another day).

However, I have run into something recently that I don't believe I've seen discussed with respect to the TPY. I'm feeling rather underwhelmed by the performance; the i5-4300 and SSD should have given me a real bump compared to my old T400 with a P8600 and 7200rpm HDD, but it's been no better than my old system. Might have been okay at the very beginning, but at least within a day or two it bogged. And I keep seeing people complaining about fan noise, but not once have I ever even heard mine come on. So, sure enough when I started looking into it, I'm finding my CPU to be extremely throttled, sitting at a constant 0.75 GHz regardless of the load I give it (according to the Task Manager). To make sure that's correct, I've tried a few other programs, including CPU-Z and CoreTemp, and they report 0.8 GHz (100 MHz x 8). Even when running IntelBurnTest (basically just linpack), the CPU stays throttled, and also tops out at 30% utilization (30% on all cores and 30% overall). Temps started out a little below 50C, and are slowly getting up to near 60C after many minutes of IntelBurnTest, so it's not temp-based throttling. Plus, I'm getting < 10 Gflops linpack scores, which is dismal, so the throttling is real. I tried adjusting the power settings to no effect. I also tried shutting off SpeedStep in the BIOS, since that should set the CPU to max frequency, but that also had no effect.

So, any thoughts? Anyone else seeing this? What's the chances that I've just got a bum CPU? Or a bad fan? Not sure what the fan speed thresholds are, or how to check for actual fan speed (TPFanControl doesn't seem to work, the generic or the Yoga 13 version... has anyone had luck with another version?). There are people in the Helix and Ideapad Yoga forums that have been experiencing something similar, but due to working in tablet mode (which I guesses causes the CPU to throttle down), and then redocking/switching back, but being stuck in the same low-performance state... Seems like it might be related to the "Intel Dynamic Platform and Thermal Framework" driver and BIOS setting, but we don't seem to have that in our TPY systems (at least that I can find).

 

Guess I spoke too soon. Used it for a few weeks and now it won't boot with the card. Any ideas why this would suddenly happen? I didn't update the BIOS. Any known ways to defeat this check? If I could find the official card I would happily buy it.

 

Definitely sounds like a software issue. I'd do a reset to factory default settings and that should do the trick. If it doesn't do the trick, then I'd have the computer exchanged

 

If it was working without a hitch for a few weeks, then something must of changed. Perhaps it got loose? Perhaps wrong drivers or software got installed because the computer thinks you have a different card?

 

I was trying a Cable Matters adapter. Turns out that there must have been something wrong with the adapter itself. Although it worked fine in my T440p I never got it to work on the Yoga after troubleshooting for hours (install and uninstall Asix drivers, reinstall Intel chipset drivers etc.). So I took the Yoga to a local Best Buy and tried the four different adapters they had there -- two USB 3.0 and two USB 2.0 models. All of them worked fine with the Yoga (they were all instantly recognized time after time). So I just concluded that something was not right with the Cable Matters version and I sent it back.

 

Just found:

Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Users Plagued by Screen Ghosting Issues, Lenovo Is Working on It

 

Hi All,

Does anyone have got a recovery image for TPY, mine is 20CD000MMH model. Tried to re-clone the original disk to SSD and broke it =( It gets stuck with:

File: \windows\system32\winload.efi
Error code: 0x0000225

Thanks

 

It shouldn't be like this. Check the CPU Menu under Advanced Power Management. Maybe you or a third party software has made some adjustments to reduce CPU Clock to Preserve Battery life.

Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

 

Anybody?

I'm still upset that I can't get higher than 1080p through my 27" monitor because my monitor has hdmi 1.3 even though I got other ports such as dvi-d, dp1.2 and vga and on the monitor/lcd that I have at my gf house the picture looks like real crap on the Samsung SyncMaster P2370HD monitor through the mini-hdmi to hdmi (maybe because it's a monitor/tv) but words and everything looks pixelated and there's overscan. On my 27" monitor it looks clear but only 1080p.

Can anybody tell me if there are any cables that will allow greater than 1080p resolution that go from:

mini-hdmi to dvi-d
mini-hdmi to displayport 1.2
mini-hdmi to vga

I'm assuming that the mini-hdmi cable / adapter has to be 1.4 spec to output over 1080p, is that right? I want the cable / adapter so that I can output 2560 x 1440 from my monitor that only accepts 1080p through hdmi as it only has hdmi 1.3 instead of hdmi 1.4. If I got a mac it would have been so simple, dp or there's plenty of adapters available. I don't know why lenovo went with mini-hdmi for a business related machine. I don't really want the dock as I want to be able to use a cable/adapter in different locations when/if needed and I wouldn't want to be carrying around a dock for this.

Another quick question how do you change the speed of the two finger scroll, after an update mine seems to be on turbo.

 

Thanks for the response. Yes, I agree, it most definitely should not be like this. However, like I said, I tried all the power options items I could (different built-in power plans and adjusting the CPU settings themselves), to no avail. In fact, I'm current in "High Performance" mode, with multiple reboots, but still sitting at 0.75 GHz.

So, last night I tried rebooting into Safe Mode, and found that then I was sitting at 2.5 GHz, which is the "turbo" clock. Therefore, it seems like the CPU is capable. I didn't hear the fan kick in, but I also wasn't making it work very hard... Sure was nice and snappy, though. This suggested that there was just a bad driver or piece of software somewhere (but who knows what). I went through and uninstalled just about everything I could, to no avail. Could be something wrote in a bad registry entry somewhere? Anyway, I tried doing a "Windows Refresh", but that didn't help. At this point, I've already lost all my installed software (I don't use the Windows Store), so I'm thinking of doing a clean install. I'd rather do it from a pure Windows source, but all I've got is my Lenovo Recovery, so that'll have to do (hopefully it's not just an issue of being a bad image or something).

 

So, I've taken some pictures to give you an idea how long the IR is visible using the mbpro retention test - the file names include exact timestamps: https://www.flickr.com/photos/96141915@N04/sets/72157640969493504/

It takes about 6-7 minutes for the pattern to disappear completely.

 

Earlier in the Yoga Pro threads folks were complaining about throttling, I copied this from somewhere and saved it. It does not affect my machine. But it's worth a try.

"Screen Throttling
Short of it is, disabling Intel DPTF (can't recall what it stands for) in the BIOS prevents the throttling from occurring.


Solution: turn off (disable) DPTF in BIOS (Intel Dynamic Process and Thermal Framework).
1. Shutdown laptop
2. There is a small dot button next to power button, use this to turn on (important)
3. Then on load, press F2
4. a menu will appear, choose BIOS
5. Go to second tab, option is toward bottom.... disable it
6. exit with saves"

Good Luck

 

Thanks. Yes, I found this as well, and thought perhaps it might be the solution. However, when looking for the DPTF drivers or BIOS entries, I actually found that there were none! So, unless I just completely missed it somehow after multiple BIOS perusals (and searches in Windows), it can't be the issue. Does anyone with a TPY actually see this entry in their BIOS? Maybe I just got a bad BIOS flash when I ran the updater? (Grasping for straws here.)

 

I think I had a similar situation a while ago, I've rebooted and updated bios and it never happened again - make sure you have the latest BIOS,

 

The ThinkPad Yoga has quite an innovative design and there seems to be quite a bit of demand for this form factor. Kudos to Lenovo for bringing a product to market that people want and find useful, and a product that they are obviously very passionate about!!

I really appreciate being able to review this thread as well as discussions in another forum, thanks to all the posters for all of your contributions. However, as much as I want to like this machine, I have unfortunately come to the conclusion that the ThinkPad Yoga is not for me. In summary:

- Ghosting/Watermark - This is simply an unacceptable flaw, and if there is historical evidence showing that this screen had similar issues in other machines then Lenovo's design and QA teams should have ensured the screen never made its way into production for any other machine.

- Exposed Keyboard when Folded - I have tried to like this design, to the degree that I went to a retailer and spent over an hour with a machine, but at the end of the day I feel that having an exposed keyboard (in your lap, on the table, etc.) is a design flaw that will inevitably lead to issues with the keyboard. I also feel that the mechanism that raises/lowers the keys/surround is somewhat of an inferior approach. I could live with this, but why should I have to when the ThinkPad Twist (no exposed keyboard) could be updated to the same specs as the ThinkPad Yoga? Why isn't the Twist being updated with new specs?

- Updated Touchpad - Again, I could live with this...but why should I have to? The integrated buttons in the trackpad don't seem like an improvement, they actually seem to reduce the usefulness and usability that people have come to really appreciate from their ThinkPads.

- Wacom Digitizer - It seems that Lenovo is literally holding the Wacom Digitizer option "hostage" in order to drive people to purchase certain models. Why not give people the choice they deserve and include the stylus with all the models?

- Screen Size & Design - This is another one that I could live with...but why should I? This may be more of a personal preference but the 12.5" screen seems a bit small...my personal preference would be at least 13". I also find it somewhat poor design that Lenovo would apply some sort of cover/protector on the screen that can be scratched and subsequently "peeled off"...this does not seem to be well hardened industrial design.

- SSD Size - Again this may be personal preference, but seems that it would be helpful for Lenovo to offer larger SSD sizes on all of their machines (larger than 256GB). This is another area that I feel that they hold you "hostage" with and use to drive you to certain machines and it puts you in a position to wait. Noone wants to take a brand new machine and crack it open to swap out drives. Lenovo please provide more SSD size options across all lines and models.

So after many hours of research it is now back to the drawing board for me. My dream machine would be a convertible with characteristics similar to the following:

- X seriesThinkPad build quality and weight
- Twist mechanism...or as a last resort a detachable screen (can't stand the Helix, design just doesn't appeal to me)
- Touchscreen
- Wacom digitizer
- Physical trackpad buttons
- 512MB SSD
- Fair price

But for whatever reason it doesn't look like this is currently in the works...

If anyone has any recommendations on other convertible type machines then I would greatly appreciate hearing about them. Also, I would appreciate feedback on the items I listed above...if I am incorrect then I want to know so that I can correct my position accordingly.

Thanks in advance for all responses.

 

At the time I started all this, I did have the most up-to-date BIOS version (1.09, I believe). However, I just noticed a new update as of Wednesday, Feb. 12 (v. 1.12), so I went ahead and installed it. No change. I also did a "Windows Reset" with my Lenovo Recovery this morning, and that didn't help, either. Finally, I just opened up the back to check if, on the off chance, I'd somehow knocked loose some connector or something when I swapped in my larger SSD (840 EVO 500GB), but everything looked fine. I even started the system up with the cover off, and during the BIOS POST the fan spun up (so I know that it's at least not broken), and then stopped once Windows started loading.

I guess at this point I've got nothing to lose with doing a clean install of pure Win8.1 (I get it for free through work). Not sure what to do if I need to send it to Lenovo for replacement, since I've turned my old SSD into a small external backup. Guess I could move that data off and clone back and replace it, if need be.

UPDATE: Well, after two clean installs (one with Lenovo recovery and one with pure Win8.1) the issue still exists. So, it's looking more and more like it can't be anything but a hardware issue. Guess it's time to call Lenovo... I just upgraded my warranty to an onsite version (expensive, but can't afford to wait for depot service), so hopefully it'll be a straightforward operation.

 

I took an image of the hard drive using Acronis True Image 2014 and then did a restore of the system. After disabling the secure boot to allow the Acronis to boot all seemed to have worked well. However I am not now able to do a factory restore as follows

win c ->Settings->Change PC Settings->Update and Recovery->Recovery->Remove everything and restore windows

I get the following message - Insert media, some files are missing.

Rather unfortunately I did not create a recovery media however nor did I either delete the recovery partition to make more room. One inspecting the partitions Acronis has successfully imaged the recovery partition and on inspecting the partition contents using diskpart all seems in order.

Has anyone any idea why the Update and Recovery is now not working and or any idea how I can otherwise initiate a factory restore?

I have asked for and received DVD restore media from Lenovo, but I do not have a USB dvd. (I have ordered one) however I would like to know what went wrong with the Acronis image and would like to restore the recovery partition functionality without using the dvds.

 

Soul347 was kind enough to post a solution in post # 2535. If I understand it correctly, the recovery partition is still there and Windows just needs to be told where to find it.

 

Interesting... I'd blame HW too (my guess would be a flaky thermal sensor), but you say the in safe mode it is not throttled, right? In any case - it wouldn't hurt calling support...

 

Just pick any 3$ HDMI to DVI adapter. HDMI and DVI are electrically compatible, so no signal conversion is necessary and since TPY HDMI port is HDMI 1.4 it should be able to drive higher res. monitor. This is the easiest/cheapest way to start. Other options (dp, vga) will require signal conversion and, therefore, much more expensive HW - especially if you want to get good quality and high res. Additional option is either a USB dock with DisplayLink external video adapter or Lenovo's own OneLink Pro docking station which has a DVI and a Display port (also expensive and has lot's of other issues - search forums for it)

 

Hey mate, can you maybe upload the DVD to somewhere so that I can download it? I really need this as my default installation got completely screwed .. I need the DVD at this point.

Thanks

 

Hosting 5+ gigs of data is not a simple feat for some people. If you had asked for the same media, my guess is you'd have had it from Lenovo by now, or at least very soon. Just say'in That said, I know what it's like, and feel your pain. I've been there before. Not fun. Hope you find a resolution soon.

Sent from my GS4

 

Not necessarily upload, bringing up a simple HTTP server on a home NAS / laptop would do as well.

Surely I'm going to call local levono support on Monday, just wanted to get it fixed asap. Thanks for the support anyway =)

Cheers

 

Just use BitTorrent Sync Beta and PM the read-only folder key. Easy as pie.

 

I tried to get 2560x1600 through the miniHDMI and I only managed 1080p whatever I did. Different cables, adapters, Intel drivers etc.

I'm currently using Belkin dual head docking station to feed my main monitor @2560x1600 and I run 3 additional 1080p monitors through USB adapters. So far no problems at all but this setup seems to be using about 10%CPU and extra 1GB of RAM.

 

To everyone who owns a ThinkPad Yoga:

Does it say "made in China"?

 

Yeah it does on the bottom label with the FCC logo and other certifications, why??

 

You'll be hard pressed to find any convertible machine that meets your wants as of now. The other options currently are the Sony Vaio Flip, Dell XPS 12, and Surface Pro, and perhaps a few others not really worth mentioning. Personally out of all the current options, I love my TPY and am really happy with it. In the end it is a matter of personal preferences. For the examples you mentioned, I simply actually like these features of the TPYoga (e.g folding mechanism, trackpad, screen size, etc.) while I recognize other people may not feel the same way. You're never going to find a PERFECT solution, but you'll just have to decide which trade offs you are willing to live with, because all models that will be available will always compromise on one level or another.

Regards,
Soul

 

There is fujitsu's lifebook t904 which is supposed to be coming out in the beginning of March. It's like an updated Twist. It uses the same twisting display idea.

 

I commented on that with my telephone sales rep (haven't received mine yet) and he said, "you'd be surprised, they're producing quite a bit of these here in the states", and went on to say there's a good chance mine would be produced here too. Will be interesting to see.

Sent from my GS4

 

It rare to find computers made in the USA or Japan. Panasonic and Fujitsu are some of the only companies that make computers in Japan.

Electronics that are made in Japan seem to last longer than those made in China.

I think the ThinkPad line had some Japanese influence years ago so that's one of the reasons why I'm asking where they are making them.

 

cuba_guy have mentioned that he managed to do 2560x1440 via built-in HDMI port of the TPY ( Lenovo OneLink Dock with Multiple Monitors - Lenovo Community)

 

Made in Japan? Probably an outdated idea.

 

Some Fujitsu laptops are still made in Japan.

If you bought any Panasonic tablets/laptops you would also realize that they are made in Japan as well.

 

Thanks Hosspower and thanks very much to Soul347. There are sure some Thinkpad Yoga pearls to be found on this thread.

Some of the ones I have used are

Soul347 - page: 254, post: # 2535 - SOLUTION to -
Recovery Partition no longer accessible following a clone to a new SSD HD or use of image recovery software such as Acronis True Image

Cephai - page 224 post #2233
link to digitiser calibration information

godofwar424 - page 239 post #2390
ICC profile

Would be good to compile a list of the really useful posts!!

 

So I was thinking to cancel my TPY order today before it ships later this week and I was looking to get a MacBook Pro instead. I found this 624 pages thread on the apple support forums about the same issue there. It seems like Apple has tried to fix it by using a new version of LG screens, or replacing some with Samsung screens, but ultimately it seems like people are still dealing with the image retention there. I think we're just screwed. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4034848?start=9330&tstart=0