Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga

Lisa's review of the TPY and then her drawing review was one of the main reasons I pulled the trigger on getting this laptop. Just picked up a second one for my wife too Thanks for the great reviews Lisa!

 

Awe shucks, thanks and you're welcome I just bought one for myself too- it will be great for writing reviews on the lovely keyboard and for drawing at night when I'm trying to stop myself from working LOL.

 

Just a little Info. The official Thinkpad Yoga - ghosting / after-image / watermark issue Forum is censored. Thinkpad Yoga - ghosting / after-image / watermar... - Page 45 - Lenovo Community The moderators do not answer any questions. They just delating links, questions, statements and so on.

So LENOVO is censoring the concerns of users beeing affected by the ghosting issues.

 

These mods are not working for Lenovo...so Lenovo isn´t cencoring anything....

 

I actually wrote a rather lengthy reply in that thread hoping to point users to this thread so we can continue the discussion uncensored, but the thread was closed before I submitted it. Technically it was "moved" and merged with another thread, but it seems like an attempt to hide the thread entirely. There also doesn't seem to be a way to reply in that newly merged thread, so it's basically silenced.

The thread was closed because one of the users started talking about a class action lawsuit against Lenovo regarding the image retention issues. If there is truly a drive and sufficient support for such a thing, I suggest we continue that discussion here.

 

Ok, thank you. But they are neither working in the interest of the users. So just a bit strange.

 

Ha, that sounds familiar. From 2011!

Concerns mount over ghosting on Lenovo ThinkPad X220 - Computerworld

 

*sigh* Always get some moron who starts bringing up law suits and legal action when Lenovo themselves said they are trying to resolve this with a new panel etc.

Just wait ffs, give it a few months and besides the occasional thread bump to see if there's been any progress nothing else should really be done. Making idiotic threats is not going to make the process any faster, its basically no different to throwing a tantrum because your mum is taking longer then usual to cook dinner.. Tantrums get people nowhere and end up throwing a thread off-topic that causes everybody to lose out in the end..

Also this seems perfectly reasonably to me regarding the comments that were deleted:

 

Also Mark replied with constructive information so what exactly is the issue??

 

Lenovo's website is currently jacked up (shocker, let me tell you) but from what I can tell, the TPY isn't available with the Wacom pen option at all. Also, it has disappeared from Microsoft Store - Xbox, Surface 3 Tablet, PC, Office, Windows Phone

Wonder why its been pulled. Is it due to the litany of issues? I was looking at eBay but don't want to buy one because it appears Lenovo has halted sales of the TPY + Pen input model. Am I wrong?

 

Amazon still has it, I ordered it earlier today after finally deciding between this and Surface Pro 3.
Microsoft Store still sells it, just with an i7 instead of an i5. . Before they pulled the i5-version they did not offer this one. However, I have noticed the American Lenovo site have stopped offering pen as an option, but this seems to be in the US only.

It would be a shame however if Lenovo now halted the sales, just as I have finally decided to buy one.
Still seems like a solid choice anyway.

Anyway, Lenovo offers international warranty on the Yoga, right? I checked the product number "20CD" on Lenovo's warranty website, should be international warranty.
I'm travelling around a lot, and spending a lot of time in Singapore, so in case the retention got really bad or the computer stopped working suddenly I'd prefer to just hand it in where I am.

 

Look in the IdeaPad section of this website. I have posted a number of comments about the Yoga 2 13. I love this notebook and now have both a 500GB SSHD and a new fast 128GB SSD in the Yoga, making it very fast and full of disk space for less than $900. I also put some comments on the MobileTechReview of the Yoga 2 13.

 

Litany of issues?? You mean the only issue that's widespread which is image retention that majority of owners don't even notice

Might just be a website glitch or maybe just a temporary shipping issue?

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Lenovo often removes options when they have a supply chain problem. They've done the exact same thing with screen types, hard drive types and sizes, other options, etc. I'd definitely not read too much into it.

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Cool. Didn't mean to come across as an alarmist folks, but between the ghosting drama and the product suddenly vanishing from official sales channels, one has to wonder.

At any rate, I ordered one from Amazon, Will be here Thursday.
Curious: why did you pick the TPY over the SP3? I have and plan on keeping the SP3 preorder as a light second travel machine (I already have to carry a locked down work X230t through airports weekly).

 

What sold me the most is the keyboard. TPY and SP3 offers the same hardware configurations, similar screen resolutions (I don't need more than full HD, good enough on such a small screen). I want something I can take notes on aswell as something I can type on. I can take notes on both, but I can only type properly on the TPY. I've tried the type covers but it's not as good as a TP-keyboard. So for productivity reasons I went with a TPY. Also, for when I don't use a mouse and don't want touch I want to use a trackpoint. I'm not a fan of touchpads.

So based on that they offer same performance, but that TPY have a far superior keyboard and a trackpoint I went with a TPY.
Carrying a Lenovo bluetooth keyboard for the SP3 is too much.

 

So as I understand it the TPY has a m2 port for the cache SSD drive. Can I boot off this? What I want to know is if I can put a 128gb SSD in the cache drive and use it as my main OS drive and have a larger (1tb) HDD in the 2.5 inch slot?

 

Is the pens angle dependency normal? If I write/draw at an angle other than the one I calibrated with, it's very inaccurate. On a N-Trig tablet I played around with, the pointer was always exactly under the tip of the pen, independent of the angle. Is this a general Wacom issue or are there pens which perform better?

 

My impression is that it is a wacom issue inherent to the technology (ergo no easy fix)

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That little bit of pen parallax is inherent in the Wacom technology.

 

The slanting thing has always annoyed me about Wacom digitizers... but despite that, does anyone actually prefer using ntrig over Wacom, especially for drawing? I haven't tried using anything with an ntrig digitizer, so I'm wondering if it's worth looking into.

 

True, but the pen itself and the screen implementation both have an effect on how drastic the parallax is.

In other words, with any given screen some pens will be worse than others (has to do with size/placement of coils in the pen tip). I find that wacom pens are generally more accurate than others, ie the bamboo feel pen has less parallax than my fujitsu or surface pro 2 pens. The TPY pen is pretty good but for me its unusable due to its small diameter.

Also the screen/digitizer implementation will have an effect on the amount of parallax (depending on screen panel thickness among other factors). TPY seems to be a bit worse in this regard compared to other penabled devices I've used. Here also I find the wacom cintiq branded stuff tends to outperform the penabled devices, with the exception of Samsung Note devices sporting AMOLED based screens which outperform everything else since OLED panel is thinner than other types.

 

No, although N-trig has improved alot in recent iterations it is still vastly inferior for drawing due to limited app support and inability to configure pressure sensitivity curve, not to mention the lesser amount of pressure sensitivity and requirement of obscure/expensive batteries

 

Yes you can do this.

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I don't think the make a 128gb ssd in the proper size. I think the size for the TPY is 42mm. Just search this thread for m2 ssd/m2 sata

 

Oh I was just stating that he can boot off an m.2 drive and have a secondary drive in the main sata port.

He will have to check about the m.2 ssd sizes

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Actually there are quite a few models stretching up to 128GB in this size. None of the "major" brands such as Samsung or Intel seem to make these small SSDs however.

 

Just to mention, m.2 drives have proven to be a little bit more power hungry then your average sata or msata ssd. So running both an m.2 and hdd might cost some battery life 30-60 minutes

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Ah, that I didn't know! I have one as my main disk in my current ThinkPad Edge-laptop since it was not delivered with an SSD.
I have never considered the power usage for it, but I guess I'm not moving it over to my Yoga for extra storage then when it arrives. .

 

Thanks for the responses. I am starting to think I should just get a 1tb SSD 2.5 inch, since it is actually not too expensive these days.

I should clarify. I am a photographer, and need about as much storage as I can get, and am upgrading from a HP 2560P. I would like to stay with something with a wacom Pen, but with photoshop touch coming at some stage, I am not sure this is such an issue. I actually really love my surface pro, but it is just too hard to upgrade the SSD, and an i7 TPY is cheaper than a Surface pro 2 512gb.

 

Just did the checkerboard test about a week after receiving my laptop and noticed a lot of retention. In addition to this, I have a lot of creaking on the left palm rest and the display distorts on the left and right edges when touched or moved.

I'm returning this failure of a laptop.

 

Good idea, you could also get a 128GB SD Card for additional photo storage

 

Received my Thinkpad Yoga from Amazon yesterday. I absolutely love this thing. I've owned the X240 and T440s and I feel the TPY is the best of the three. Really pleased and don't have any scary retention!!!1, etc (the complaints are overblown, IMO).

 

For the cost of a 1tb ssd, you may want to consider picking up a network storage device or set up a cheap desktop into a RAID system. I do a lot of photography as well, but use either the usb3.0 or the sd cards to transfer the files to my pc (for storage and backup) then copy the files I need to the usb stick to use on my TPY 256gb. You can get 128gb usb 3.0 sticks for around 60$ now and it would be far safer to have your files backed up on something you aren't carrying around everywhere.

Buy the PNY 128GB Turbo USB 3.0 Flash Drive, 190MB/s Read at TigerDirect.ca

 

I ordered my from Amazon as well and had no retention for the first week or two. Only then did I start noticing heavy retention.

Try the test in two weeks and let us know.

 

Will do negative Nancy! Lol.

 

I actually ordered two Thinkpad Yoga's at the same time.

First one was from Amazon and displayed retention after ~2 weeks. Additionally had palm rest creaking and "ripples" on the edges screen when touched or moved. This one was assembled in February.

The second one was ordered from Lenovo and was assembled in May. Creaking was significantly less to the point of being non-existent. The "ripples" on the edge of were also reduced. However, I was able to produce retention on this one with the checkerboard test.

Both laptops had display model LP125WF2-SPB1. Both are being returned.

 

Does yours come with the stylus?

 

Yes

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Ordered from Computer Upgrade King as the seller. i7 256. Maybe its trash maybe not but so far I'm very pleased.

 

Wouldn't running it with the color profile posted about 30-40 pages back help with that?

I'm planning to apply it first thing in hope that it will save me since the laptop and myself will go overseas quite quickly after I'm getting it.

 

Hey I've finally set my sights on a TPY and I was planning on calling Lenovo to try and drop the price down as far as possible, but then I discovered that eBay has AMAZING prices on the TPY. I've found open-box units and even new ones for hundreds less than what Lenovo is charging. There are some really good refurb prices on eBay too. They all say "refurbished by Lenovo" but does anyone have any experience with Lenovo refurbs? Are they worth the savings or would I be better off with a new unit?

 

Wonder why Lenovo isn't suing the crap out of everybody shamelessly knocking off their Yoga design?

 

Asus could've done the same thing with the Transformer design that several companies copied. Maybe goodwill? Not bad to look like a nicer company than Apple.

 

I didn't know you could negotiate with Lenovo. Anyways once I saw this post, I didn't hesitate, went ahead and bought refurb for 869. Warrantied till April 2015

 

SO can you upgrade the size of the SSD later on. The one I just bought from eBay only has 128Gb...Really don't think this will be enough...might have to get a fast SD card or a superfast tiny USB 3 flash drive...don't want to do it either.

And these TPY only come with 1 year warranty new though right? I bough refurb which has about a year warranty on it

 

The default option is one year, but if you configured it yourself, you could have gotten two or three. Either way you should still be allowed to upgrade the warranty once during the warrantied lifetime of the machine.

 

Even though I bought it refurbished?

 

I was wondering has anybody been able to hackintosh their thinkpad yoga? I would like to try out osx and maybe try and learn some of the iOS development / xCode. I don't really want to buy a mac though at the moment as I already have a desktop and the tpy, and I'm also tempted by the surface pro 3.

If hackintosh is possible I would appreciate any guides or info on how it's done. If we could multi-boot operating systems like Macs can this would be the ultimate machine.

 

you should really look into running osx as a virtual machine. Try something like virtual box if this is all you want to do with osx.

 

I have been following this forum since the beginning of the year and have appreciated all the contributors that have taken the time to provide information and support. I am currently on the verge of ordering a custom configuration TPY through Lenovo, but am struggling with the choice of the i7-4600U vs. the i5-4300U processor. Normally, I would go with "big and fast". However, I noted comments which I took to mean that the i7 may be throttled for cooling purposes in the TPY, and thus may provide negligible performance advantage over the i5. Furthermore, I gleaned that the battery holdup time is potentially significantly less with the i7 than with the i5. If this turns out to be the case, then it would seem the i5 would be a better choice. I would appreciate any experience users may have to help with this decision.