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    Lenovo W510 Owner's Thread

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by ZoinksS2k, Jan 22, 2010.

  1. jaakobi

    jaakobi Notebook Evangelist

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    He's referring to a DP adapter that simply passes the DP signal to DVI (passive) or one that processes the DP signal and converts it to dual-DVI (active). Passive can only go as high as single-link DVI can handle, and active can do dual-link DVI, but active requires power (uses USB power) while passive does not.
     
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    Good grief! Where are they!? Not those two little nubby things!?

    R
     
  3. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    I'll probably be sending back my W510. Disappointed. I thought a high-end business notebook (even though made from plastic) would have a better quality than my M17X.
    Not even close. There's a creak on a palmrest and on the DVD-rom side there's quite a bit of a flex. The speakers start vibrating on 70%. And worst of all, the CPU temps hit 60-70C range while browsing. If you run stress tests - 90C is easily reached. Also, there's a slight battery movement and in general, poor design for 9cell battery. Whenever you lift or put the system on a flat surface - the protruding battery will always slightly hit the surface.
    :(
     
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    I just got the a Thinkpad W510.

    Before, i have a T400 with Ultrabay slim in DVD-Room slot.

    i put the ultrabay slim in W510, It´s seem fit it, but i tried but it doesn´t detect the HDD...

    Anyone have tried it?


    Thanks.
     
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    I have the FHD and wasn't sure what pixel walk was, so I went here: http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php and I did not see any pixel walk/flicker on my screen, hope this helps.
    I love this screen! My only complaint with the laptop is the function key; I'm not used to it being before the control key on the key board!
     
  7. pixeluk

    pixeluk Notebook Guru

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    Got my W510 a couple of days ago, after a frustrating 2 month wait. It's an NTK29UK (the only model currently available in the UK) and it's got the fantastic non-multitouch FHD screen.

    Coming from a WUXGA T61P, it's a vast improvement in all areas. Even the 120 pixel deficit has stopped bothering me now. I'm not finding the extra thickness of the base a problem in practice and the whole thing feels a lot more solid.

    Something I've discovered that I thought you might find interesting is that the memory read throughput seems to improve by about 35% if you upgrade to 4 modules from 2 (see this post)

    Overall, it was definitely worth the wait!
     
  8. BBC5

    BBC5 Notebook Enthusiast

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    That's too bad; I hate it when you don't get what you want/expect.

    I just did that stress test, and the highest core temp of the four cores was 53C.

    I have no abnormal creaks, but the protruding battery was a surprise, but I find it not to be any problem at all.

    Haven't cranked up the speakers yet, and probably wont in the future...
     
  9. sap_786

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    Any one find what is the Frequency of the new FHD and HD+ are? is it 120 Hz or 60 Hz
     
  10. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    What stress test did you run? I hope it's not W7 test. ;)
    What software are you using to monitor the temps?
    Could you provide a screenshot?
    There's no way you could stay below 60C on 3Dmark06(unless your room temps is freezingly low or you're using a coolerpad)
    My idle temps (doing nothing but browsing) fluctuate in the 45-60C range with a video playback they hit 65-70C and mild gaming - 80C. OCCT or Furmark kicks them into 90C (CPU and GPU).

    Maybe the creaking I have is considered normal, dunno. I may be overreacting a bit because of the fact that my previous rig (M17X) was flawless in build quality and cooling, with zero flex throughout the chassis.

    For the speakers, just play some music file with 70%+ volume and you'll hear the vibrbrbrbbrbrating :p
     
  11. Aikimox

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  12. BBC5

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    I used the stress test as provided by Lenovo. This was the details from just now.

    Lenovo ThinkVantage Toolbox Log File

    Friday, April 09, 2010 12:30:53 PM
    Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz (CPU:0)
    Name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU Q 720 @ 1.60GHz

    Cores: 4

    Threads: 8

    Signature: 106E5h

    Current Speed: 1.71 GHz

    Multiplier: x 11.0 (7 - 12)

    Technology: 45 nm

    Features: MMX, PSE36, EM64T, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, SSE4.2, IDA, XD, VMX

    L1 Instruction Cache: 4 x 32.00 kB

    L1 Data Cache: 4 x 32.00 kB

    L2 Cache: 4 x 256.00 kB

    L3 Cache: 6.00 MB

    Core : 0
    Temperature: 47 C

    Threads: 2


    Core : 1
    Temperature: 45 C

    Threads: 2


    Core : 2
    Temperature: 48 C

    Threads: 2


    Core : 3
    Temperature: 47 C

    Threads: 2




    Stress Test
    Test Started 4/9/2010 12:17:58 PM
    Test Finished: Passed 4/9/2010 12:25:30 PM


    System Memory
    Total Physical Memory: 8.00 GB

    2048 MB DDR3-SDRAM (1067 MHz)
    Source: SPD

    Memory Size: 2.00 GB

    Memory Manufacturer: Samsung

    Memory Manufacture Date: Week 11, Year 2010

    Memory Part Number: M471B5673FH0-CF8

    Memory Serial Number: 62AEE27B


    2048 MB DDR3-SDRAM (1067 MHz)
    Source: SPD

    Memory Size: 2.00 GB

    Memory Manufacturer: Samsung

    Memory Manufacture Date: Week 11, Year 2010

    Memory Part Number: M471B5673FH0-CF8

    Memory Serial Number: 62AEE35B


    2048 MB DDR3-SDRAM (1067 MHz)
    Source: SPD

    Memory Size: 2.00 GB

    Memory Manufacturer: Samsung

    Memory Manufacture Date: Week 11, Year 2010

    Memory Part Number: M471B5673FH0-CF8

    Memory Serial Number: 62AEE354


    2048 MB DDR3-SDRAM (1067 MHz)
    Source: SPD

    Memory Size: 2.00 GB

    Memory Manufacturer: Samsung

    Memory Manufacture Date: Week 11, Year 2010

    Memory Part Number: M471B5673FH0-CF8

    Memory Serial Number: 62AEE2F5




    Advanced Pattern Test
    Test Started 4/9/2010 12:17:58 PM
    Test Finished: Passed 4/9/2010 12:26:33 PM


    ST9500420AS
    Vendor: Seagate

    Model Number: ST9500420AS

    Serial Number: 5VJ3YZ2E

    Firmware Revision: 0003LVM1

    Size: 465.8 GB

    Rotation Rate: 7200 RPM

    Cache Size: 16 MB

    Temperature: 33 C

    Physical Sector Size: 512 B

    Logical Sector Size: 512 B

    Logical Sector Count: 976773168

    Supported Standards: ATA8-ACS, ATA/ATAPI-7, ATA/ATAPI-6, ATA/ATAPI-5

    Specification Version: ATA8-ACS rev 4

    Windows7_OS - C:
    File System: NTFS

    Volume Serial Number: DCF0-7794

    Volume Capacity: 454.82 GB

    Volume Free Space: 408.68 GB

    Volume Used Space: 46.14 GB


    Lenovo_Recovery - Q:
    File System: NTFS

    Volume Serial Number: 12F5-75D3

    Volume Capacity: 9.77 GB

    Volume Free Space: 2.22 GB

    Volume Used Space: 7.54 GB




    Random Seek Test
    Test Started 4/9/2010 12:17:58 PM
    Test Finished: Passed 4/9/2010 12:25:34 PM


    Intel(R) Active Management Technology - SOL (COM4)
    I/O Resources: I/O Port : 0x1800h - 0x1807h

    Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\serial.sys

    Driver Version: 6.0.0.1179, 9-17-2009



    Internal Send and Receive Test
    Test Started 4/9/2010 12:17:58 PM
    Test Finished: Passed 4/9/2010 12:25:30 PM


    NVIDIA Quadro FX 880M
    Video Card Chip Type: Quadro FX 880M

    Video Card Memory: 1.00 GB

    Video Card BIOS: Version 70.16.51.0.0

    Driver: c:\windows\system32\drivers\nvlddmkm.sys

    Driver Version: 8.16.11.8825, 12-3-2009



    Transformation and Lighting Stress Test
    Test Started 4/9/2010 12:17:58 PM
    Test Finished: Passed 4/9/2010 12:28:02 PM
     
  13. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Heh, according to their test my CPU temp was the same as yours, but I had the HWMonitor running in the background and the max CPU temps were around 70C. ;)
    I don't recommend using Lenovo tools for benchmarking and temperature measurements. But disregard my posts if you're not into gaming and heavy apps like CAD. For office work and movies this system should be more than enough.
    For me it's crucial to know the exact temps at all times.
    Anyway, I just given the W510 to my wife as a present. It's perfect for her needs. Returning to the M17X as a primary business and entertainment system.
     
  14. BBC5

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    I see...

    Not into gaming, just editing images in Camera RAW and CS4 while out on photo trips.
     
  15. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Then you're super-mega-fine. The system will serve you well.
     
  16. not.sure

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    You can swap those in the BIOS.
     
  17. HoustonKV

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    I know that a while back there were problems with keyboard flex

    i think mine is beginning to develop this problem

    currently mine sinks about 1-2mm in some places once the key is fully depressed
    however currently its only on the number keys so im no so worried unless it will get progressively worse as time goes on.
     
  18. Mandrake

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    I felt the same way when I got my Asus as far as build quality is concerned.
     
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    Do others have the same speaker vibration issues as Aikimox?
     
  20. Aikimox

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    I have seen one more post with a similar complain. I can understand that a business laptop doesn't need the top of the line speakers but to be unable to play sound on 70%+ volume out of the box without issues is one of the deal breakers for me.
     
  21. not.sure

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    No problems here, neither with speakers, or temps, or creaks.
     
  22. lapnote

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    Can anybody who gets his/her W510 shipped around 03/26 or early April time frame post the machine's bios revision? Is it the latest Bios revision? Any problem so far? Has anybody tried to use the latest Bios (rev1.15-1.09)? Any status update on that?

    Thanks.
     
  23. orev

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    Most speaker systems (your home stereo included) are not designed to be played beyond 50% volume or so. Past that and you start bumping into the limits of the electronics and bad things like clipping start to happen. It's possible that you are hearing problems in the amps or other areas of the sound system, not just the speakers.

    Also, did you see the size of those things in a previous post of the pics? They are about the size of a US Quarter. You can't expect much from something like that.

    I think you are just spoiled by your Alienware system. Your best bet for good sound is a nice set of external speakers, no matter what brand of laptop you have.
     
  24. zenit

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    using new BIOS right now. Not sure the original revision, but i updated to new one right away.

    The new BIOS fixed annoying keyboard polling problem. Before fast typing didnt work well, and now it is completely fixed.
     
  25. Aikimox

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    We get used to the best easily ;)
     
  26. RhyStar

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    Latest BIOS installed without a hitch.

    I had not noticed any problems in the first place, but everything was fine after the installation.

    Regards,
    R
     
  27. RhyStar

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    Yup. I do. My left speaker.

    Regards,
    R
     
  28. RhyStar

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    Hmmm, unhappy with the PC, you dumped it on your wife....

    :err:

    My wife would kick my a** if she even suspected that I was doing something like that.

    Good luck.... :)

    R
     
  29. Aikimox

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    Lol, no. She actually wanted it very much. I told her all my concerns about the lappy. She laughed and said I was too picky after alienware, grabbed it and thank me for buying her a present :D
     
  30. not.sure

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    Thinkpads and Alienwares are just not targeting the same group of people. So the idea of replacing an Alienware with a Thinkpad will have you end up with a surplus Thinkpad.
     
  31. Aikimox

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    I need a business machine that can also run games (not tetris :p ). Simple. So there were two options:

    1) Buy a business oriented system that would run games at medium to high details.

    2) Get a gaming rig and use it at work as well.

    I tried both. 2 was the winner ;)
     
  32. lapnote

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    The exactly same considerations passed by me when I was deciding which machine to purchase: Alienware M17X, Asus G73, and the W510. However, after put myself through a cold shower, I came to the conclusion:

    Alienware M17X: great machine, excellent performance, nice to have but too expensive.

    Asus G73: Nice machine, too. But I don't like its chipset, PM55, good price

    ThinkPad W510: Performance might not as good as the others, but good reputation for a solid business machine. I like its QM57 chipset spec. Reasonable priced if you buy it with ecoupon.

    I end up with W510 as my first ThinkPad.
     
  33. lapnote

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    Did you update the bios before you even attempted the initial machine setup / Win7 installation or after? I am expecting to receive my W510 in the next few days or so. If I try to update the Bios after I have done the initial Win7 setup (enter product key), am I going to have any issue with Win 7 activation? or the latest bios has that fixed already? Thanks for sharing your experience.
     
  34. pixeluk

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    The very latest bios is fine.
     
  35. tyrell_corp

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    you just cant logically compare alien-ware or crappy asus quality to thinkpads.

    even if (dell) as alieware is good its a whole different beast.

    you guys are noobs you need to go through 100 laptops taken appart to appreciate the quality and purpose. I hope thinkpadmakers will never try to satisfy those who like alienware.

    otherwise we are DOOMED :D

    I can only compare thinkpads to Panasonic Sony and biz HP's nothing else matters (metallica) ;)
     
  36. cytochromes

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    Hi there,

    I have a W510 without the integrated color calibration device and my HD+ LCD has a kind of bluish tint to. Would someone with a HD+ screen share their calibrated profile with me? Thanks!
     
  37. Aikimox

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    :D Funny how you call others noobs and talk about quality and purpose...
    So what is the purpose of a business notebook with a FX880M GPU? Correct, it's CAD, video encoding/rendering and other heavy stuff ;)
    What is required from a system to fit those needs?
    Correct, it's sufficient performance, stability, DPC latency free operation etc.
    If you ever work with CAD or video editing, do yourself a favor and run the HWMonitor in the background. If you see the GPU temps climb to 80-90C after 4-5 hours of stressing the system, think about following:
    These are the core temps and they are 10-12C lower than the memory temps on the GPU. Memory dies first and 90C+ is critical for it ;)
    Next, run this tool to see if you can even work with video editing and audio recording.
    My W510 has occasional 5-10k spikes while just browsing the web and 100k+ when copying files from USB.
    This is how it should look on a system that can handle that type of work (M17X-R2):
     

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  38. pstrisik

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    I have the HD+ also (T510) and find the blues are too vivid and even a bit purplish. I haven't been able to tweak the color settings to satisfaction, but I'm getting used to it.

    .
     
  39. Aikimox

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    Got the same situation with RGB LED but the W510 HD+ is perfectly stock-calibrated. How can I create a copy of my current colour profile to post it for you?
     
  40. pstrisik

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    I don't know. And, if I had your profile, I wouldn't know what to do with it!

    Meanwhile, I went back in and played a bit. It seems to help somewhat to adjust the blue settings only (not all colors) by decreasing contrast one or two points. I would have thought decreasing blue saturation would have done it, but contrast seems to do better.

    .
     
  41. RhyStar

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    Don't worry too much about the new BIOS. Get your system set up, load up the software that you need, play with it for a couple of days, and then update the BIOS.

    I guess there was/is a problem with the earlier BIOS where if you typed really fast there would be some issue, but I would not update the BIOS as my first step.

    Also, Windows activation should not have anything to do with the BIOS, so don't let that worry you, either.

    R
     
  42. tyrell_corp

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    with all you wrote I think you should once again look at the demand/purpose and return this laptop as fast as you can as it seems you need desktop. after proper clean install I have no issues what - so - ever. you on the other hand seem to cry more than its worth. sorry but it does seem so I have no creaks no sound issues no longer any problems with the screen. so far I have done

    1. clean install
    2 up to date drivers
    3 new BIOS
    4 new nvidia driver
    and I am doing video editing

    you said you gave it to your whife, why cry now?
     
  43. pixeluk

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    Activation on an OEM computer whether it's Lenovo, Dell or whatever is ALL about the bios. You'd never normally have to worry about it unless the OEM screws up a bios revision though.
     
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  44. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    Do you see me crying? lol.
    I'm giving insights here, for those who intend to use the system for more than just browsing the web.
    I don't say that system is bad, in fact, it's adequate and for most its owners is more than adequate. Its quality is good and performance is great. Otherwise I'd return it instead of giving it to my wife. Her work is typing mostly and some very light gaming. She's enjoying every minute with the system and calls the keyboard "devine" after Sony Vaio. :cool:
    Don't get me wrong please, I'd recommend this notebook to 80% of the people, as it's one of the best (if not the best) in its class. But there are pros and cons in every system and for 20% customers the cons matter as well.

    That's why I'm writing the review as we speak. When it's finished you are welcome to criticize and call me a noob again ;)
     
  45. Aikimox

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    hey everyone
    I just ran benchmarks (in left4dead)
    with both the lenovo drivers
    and then the newest nvidia drivers

    i was getting (as a minimum) 15 fps
    now i haven't gone below 25 fps!

    I think this is a totally amazing update and its definitely worth downloading if you like left 4 dead
     
  47. lapnote

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    Do you mean this driver from nVidia's website?

    Version: 197.16 WHQL
    Release Date: 2010.03.29
    Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit
    Language: English (U.S.)
    File Size: 134 MB
     
  48. HoustonKV

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    thats the one
     
  49. RhyStar

    RhyStar Notebook Consultant

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    Hi - not sure what you mean.

    So when I update the BIOS, my activation has to be redone?

    I think this person is asking about whether or not they need to worry when they activate their version of win7. That answer is no.

    Regards,
    R
     
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  50. pixeluk

    pixeluk Notebook Guru

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    Hi Rhystar, Lenovo produced a bad bios for the 410/510 series that messed up activation which is was my understanding of what Lapnote was worried about. (My last post had a link to the Lenovo forums reporting this.)

    Anyway, it's all sorted now so your advice was good! I was just pointing out that a bad bios can affect activation, that's all.
     
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