T410 and T510 details revealed

Having owned a Thinkpad for only 5 days (and my interest for Thinkpad less than 2 months) I got to admit a lack of knowledge on the earlier releases.

However, considering that W500 as released (using product wiki) in July 2008 and Radeon mobility 4650 was announced around september 2009 (notebookcheck.com), I dont consider Lenovo to be choosing "bad" graphics models but rather being too lazy to refresh the current line-up after the release of 4650.

However, as we dont have an exact date on the 5000 series, seeing them in T510 might be quite unlikely.

Lets just agree Quad Core is not going to happen unless you're considering the W710. The rest of i5-750 is more or less about guessing its name, where Wikipedia sees that Arrandale model to be named Core i7-620M (bottom of this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rrandale.22_.28standard_voltage.3B_32_nm.29_2 )

 

well obviously that quoted article from thinkpadtoday is a load of bull

i5-750 has a tdp of 95W ffs!

 

This is exactly what I was trying to say

 

That's exactly it. They choose not to upgrade their lines. Since the 4 series is out already, it's most likely going to make it to new T/W#10 series and hence you'd have to wait for the next revision for 5 series.

 

Unless they simply skip the 4 series?

 

As you stated in your previous message:

However, as we dont have an exact date on the 5000 series, seeing them in T510 might be quite unlikely.

Pretty sure 5 series won't be out in time. But hey there is a (slim) chance that it will be out.

 

it won't be

 

I really hope the T510 comes out with a good GPU option.

I've been really looking forward to get a sober laptop like a Thinkpad while getting reasonably powerful graphic performance in modern gaming.

Now, I really hope that heat dissipation won't be an issue. I guess it's just too early to claim that it will manage heat extremely well... but at least I can dream it will

 

Yeah, and we seem to agree on that point.

I just dont agree that Lenovo chooses bad graphics solutions just for the sake of it, but because the release dates dont match well. Therefore I still see solutions such as GT240 and GTS250 plausible - and those graphic cards are still way ahead of the current Radeon 3650, without causing more heat.

However, only time will show

 

Yeah I really hope that the T410/510 will be a bad boy

 

Following the FCC W701 leak, it appears that the next gen Thinkpads will be T401 and T501 respectively rather than the Tx10 designation reported in earlier roadmap leaks. This makes it more consistent with the naming convention, X300 -> X301.

 

but inconsistent with the SL series with ther SL410 and SL510

 

You have a point there. So, does 01 stand for minimal change (no new design), but 10 for major design changes.

 

What about the recent Digitimes article on Arrandale CPUs for Q1 2010? It appears as though they claim Intel is going to release the low-end mainstream CPUs only. http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20091113PD209.html
the Core i5-520M, Core i5-430M, Core i3-350M and Core i3-330M

So what about the 540M, and the Core i7 620M? If what Digitimes is saying is true, the goodies don't come out till much later and the only worthwhile CPU is the 520M. I don't even know who to listen to anymore

 

In the past, Intel has always released almost all new SKUs for a new line at the same time. I don't see them deviating from that trend now.

 

(Next Gen) 1600x900 > 1400x900 (current)

 

I have a feeling I read somewhere quite a while ago that Lenovo would be using Tx10 designations for the new models rather than incrementing the last digit by one. You could be right in that the two digits specify major/minor updates, though.

 

Fixed it for ya.

 

Unless they somehow have the 1600x900 resolution in the T410 (the Sony Z is 13.1" and has 1600x900, so in theory a 14.1" panel could be made at that resolution).

 

The Envy 13 also has an option for a 1600x900 panel

 

So does the Inspiron 14 (14" 1600x900 LED, costs $75 extra).

1600x900 would be a drop for 15" Thinkpads vs 1680x1050 but would actually be an added bonus for 14" Thinkpads...

I bet the 15" will also get an added bonus (over 1680x1050) with a max resolution option of 1080p...

The biggest gripe I have is 1920x1200->1920x1080 with larger external monitors. Hopefully Lenovo won't follow suit with the Thinkpads...

 

I'm a bit confused with what people are saying in this thread. Quadcore CPU's specially designed for laptops are already out, and you can buy a laptop with one in it.

i7-920XM
i7-820QM
i7-720QM

http://hothardware.com/Articles/Intel-Core-i7-Mobile-Processor-Launch-Review/?page=2

 

Those quad-core processors consume too much power anything for other than desktop replacement gaming notebooks. Check out the "Battery Performance" page in the review you linked: the i7-920XM notebook lasted only 38 minutes on battery.

 

The quadcore i7 processors will be able to shut off cores as needed which will give it similar battery life to current c2d systems. What is nice about them is that when plugged in, you can let all four loose, and when you are unplugged, still get some decent performance.

 

I don't think so. Here is a review where a Core i7-920XM notebook, sitting idle on the Windows desktop with no applications running, lasted a whooping 1.5 hours.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1084/10/

 

Those reviews are terrible and useless. For example, in Legit Reviews, they compare a:

17" w/ the best CPU/GPU (GTX 280M) and 42WHr battery
vs.
15.6" w/ lowest end C2Q, GTX 260M and 53WHr battery

There are way too many variables in there to directly compare the machines. The fact that the i7 gets 58 min vs. 1 hr and 10 min on the C2Q is very good based on the above system specs. Maybe you should read other laptop reviews such as the users w/ the Dell sXPS 1645. They can get 3+ hours on the i7 notebook w/ 9 cell on idle. The new i7 quad cores do offer top performance in many applications and only consume marginally more power than C2D and C2Q offerings at load and less power than C2Qs on idle.

 

Legit Reviews were never legit imho

 

I think "3+ hours on the i7 notebook w/ 9 cell on idle" nicely validates my original statement that quad-core i7 processors "consume too much power anything for other than desktop replacement gaming notebooks".

 

If the 16:9 screens are going in then the 15.6+ notebooks better have a dedicated numpad!

Nice!

 

I disagree how that validates anything. Not everyone needs much more than 3 hours of battery life. Besides the C2D version of the xPS 16(40), doesn't get much more than the i7 version (<4 hours). Let's say the difference is around 30 min for just switching the CPU. The actual power draw the of CPU isn't much higher than the C2D if you compare the power draw of the CPU alone. Sacrificing a bit more power consumption, I can get a job done twice as fast.
For example, I'd get the CPU for raw computing power in applications such as MATLAB, while most games rely on the GPU more than the CPU, so I could care less with integrated graphics.

 

Well put. In my experience also:

Legit Reviews are not legit.
TrustedReviews cannot be trusted.

If anyone has to tell you they are not phoney, you should be suspicious!

 

Let me explain it again.

Excluding desktop replacement models, Lenovo has never released a ThinkPad that lasts only 3 hours idle on a 9-cell battery. And there is no rumor suggesting that they will start doing so in the near future.

If a quad i7 notebook lasts only 3 hours idle on a 9-cell battery, then a quad i7 consumes too much power for anything other than desktop replacement notebooks. If you want a quad i7, you should look into the W series, which are desktop replacement models.

 

Right.

ckx: Notebook Guru === knows jack **** about notebooks.
skagen: Notebook Evangelist === advocates against notebooks.
sgogeta4: Notebook Prophet === spreads false predictions about notebooks.

 

Got an issue, here's a tissue.

 

ROFL nice.

 

At the one saying the i7 consumes too much. Perhaps a read at notebookcheck's review of the 1557 Studio could clarify some things.

The laptop has serious issues but the point is that on idle it lowers to 19.5w of consumption using the 4570HD and i7 720QM, while fully stressed it did reach 90.2W the limit of the adapter, and that suggests that the i7 core does indeed have a superior energy saving architecture.

Now translate that into Arrandale with 32nm, same architecture and dual core and you have a laptop with a low consumption on idle due to the shutting down design that is native of this new architecture.

These new thinkpads, are they confirmed of 16:9? Dell just launched the update of the M6400 using new components, the M6500, and it retains the 16:10...

 

oh, no... 19:9... I'm waiting until the january refresh from both apple and lenovo... if Lenovo uses the 16:9 they just got scratched off my list. I may just use my T500 for the next 5 or so years(yike!) at the rate these screen are sucking! agh!

 

If they keep going like this, it'll stop being a screen - it'll be a ing line...

 

Eventually Lenovo will go with 16:9 aspec ratio screens, is not a matter of "if" but "when". The other day I saw a video posted on engadget and the guy who talked about all the new improvments also did a mention of the change from 16:10 to 16:9 anywhere soon.

I guess they'll need to work really hard to deliver a business product using that kind of panels, my take is that they'll need the bezel really thin in order to not make the laptop a french bread. Don't blame Lenovo if they start using 16:9 in the Thinkpad line, blame them if they are unable to deliver a quality product taking advantage of this change. Change is inevitable, but it can be turn in something good.

 

Not that I'll be buying a new ThinkPad soon, but I'm already uncomfortable with the width of the T500. If it gets any wider, it's going to squeeze the last inch of space in both of my laptop bags. Just another reason why 16:9 annoys me.

As far as the bezel around the LCD, I don't expect Lenovo to make a thin bezel. They always put the Wi-Fi antennas in the lid next to the screen. They didn't save much space with the T400s and that's arguably their best effort yet considering they also need to keep the bezel the same width on both sides due to customer complaints.

 

What do you think about this?
http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/131883/NOTEBOOKS_14.1/Lenovo/2518CAM.asp
http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/131916/NOTEBOOKS_14.1/Lenovo/2518CGM.asp
Its good graphics cards?

 

So Nvidia is back on the T series. I never heard of that particular model?

i7 would have been better though.

 

Arrandale i7 is not due to come out yet, in theory.

So Lenovo goes NVIDIA, instead of them being a long ATI partner.

Dell goes ATI when they were NVIDIA

HP is going ATI too

ASUS is still NVIDIA

I find strange that GPU, NVS 310M?

How about the T510? http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/131881/NOTEBOOKS_15/Lenovo/43142ZM.asp

 

Well one thing is for sure: T510 is definitely 16:10.

 

Is the 5700MHD a Nvidia card?
Could is mean ATI HD Mobility 57XX series cards? I'm confused by the naming convention of the cards listed in the above links.

 

5700MHD is an Intel graphics card.

 

5700MHD is probably Intel's successor to the 4500MHD.

(based solely upon suffix)

 

Did you mean 16:9? The link shows that the T510 has a 15.6" screen. That size is the mainstream 16:9 configuration used by all the laptop makers. Unfortunately, it's pretty safe to say that the T510, and likely the T410, will be switching to 16:9 along with the rest of the industry.

 

Indeed it is Intel's based on the MHD and the fact that with Arrandale the 4500MHD was going to be changed by the 5x00MHD series.

 

Wait they are switching to nvidia? Thats a shame as the ATi cards run so much cooler.