T440p Owner's Thread

OK, so I was going to upgrade from my Dell Latitude E6410 to a newer iteration of the same machine (currently the E6440). But I can get any configuration that meets my needs, so I’m contemplating the T440p.

Among other things, I am looking for a good display... non-glare and usable outdoors... 300 nit would be nice. I’m a bit confused, but it seems that 1920 x 1080 display on the T440p could meet my needs, except that some of the machines ship with undesirable LG displays. Given the level of dissatisfaction, and given that early demand for the T440p may have waned somewhat, is it likely that most are now shipping with the better screen?

Aside from quality control issues, it occurs to me that my aging eyes might prefer 1600 x 900. Do these displays come close to the higher-res displays in performance and brightness? Do these displays also have quality-control issues?

 

I also have an Dell Latitude E6410. If you can stand the display of E6410, you should be fine with the 1920 x 1080 display on the T440p, weather it is AUO or LD panel.

If you have the 1920 x 1080 display, you can always lower the resolution to 1600 x 900 in the windows setting.

 

Thanks for that.

When I bought the E6410 (almost four years ago) it was because it was my understanding that Dell's displays were superior to Lenovo's. I'd planned to get another Latitude (the E6440) for the same reason, however Dell is now only selling preconfigured machines, and the specs are somewhat low-end (on the Canadian site at least).

This gave me reason to reconsider Lenovo and HP, and it appears that things have changed... at least as far as displays are concerned.

Nonetheless, I hesitate to jump from the Dell ship (notwithstanding what I regard as incompetence in the wheelhouse) if only because I already have a docking station, and was planning the get another one for the office. The cost difference between buying a second Dell dock and buying two Lenovo docks is more than $400.

On the other hand, with Lenovo I can get the specs I need (and presumably a nice display).

May I ask why you went from Dell to Lenovo? And do you feel that the T440p is as likely to be a reliable? Have you had a chance to compare the quality of tech support?

 

The 1080p screen on my T440p is definitely better than anything that I've ever seen in an E6410. Period. I'm not sure if I have the LG screen, though.

That being said, I prefer Dell's support because you can contact them via chat, which as far as I know Lenovo still doesn't offer.

I don't think the T440p will be any more or less reliable than an E6410.

 

Thanks for that. I found Dell support to be handy when I suffered a crash that required re-installing the OS and all of the drivers, given that I am not very tech savvy. But I see that Lenovo also offers optional "premium support" (and Dell is now offering only basic hardware support on some new machines, with ProSupport as an extra). Actually, I've no objections to this kind of support being an extra-cost option given that many users on this board are unlikely to ever need it, inasmuch as they have sufficient knowledge to figure out their own problems (or not do the things that invite problems).

 

Welp, today my T440p finally stopped charging as well. I don't think there is a single aspect of this sad machine that has lasted four months without breaking (Except the parts that shipped broken...).

 

Well, I decided to take my chances on the T440p.... and so far not much joy.

I got the FHD display, and have no apparent issues with lightbleed. Nonetheless, while I feel that it is in excellent display I do not feel that is significantly better or brighter than the display on my 4-year Latitude. Of course, my decision to buy the Latitude (E6410) four years ago was influenced by some reviews which praised the quality of the display (which I believe is also 300 nit).

Aside from the need for a bright display, I opted for the FHD because I have an application which needs a lot of screen real estate and which cannot be scaled. I was able to get by with the Dell because much of my work is done on an external display... but I could not use the program independently of the external display. Alas, the program will not reinstall, and the developer has abandoned the software and withdrawn support. In any case, whatever the advantages of the high-rez FHD display they are trumped (IMHO) by the old Latitude's 16x10 aspect ratio. Having said that, it seems that no one is making a machine with a 16x10 display... at least, not a business-class machine on a 14" platform...

Speaking of external displays... this is my biggest issue so far. When first attached to the dock last evening everything was fine. But when I turned the machine on this morning the machine failed to recognize the external display... or, perhaps more accurately... the external display failed to recognize the machine. That is, as soon as I connect the external monitor the laptop's display goes black, but the external monitor does not come to life, except for a brief flicker.

As far as the dock is concerned, a dock was a must-have, but I vastly prefer the Dell dock inasmuch as getting the Lenovo aligned and connected takes longer than connecting the requisite cables. Perhaps I'll get better at it with time. I was considering getting two docks inasmuch as the machine will travel between my home and office on a daily basis, but for now I'm happy that I one bought one.

I called tech support re the issue with the external display, and was pleased that my call was answered on the first ring. Nonetheless, the advice offered (update all of the drivers) did not solve the problem (nor had I expected it to given that the problem had not occurred when the machine came out of the box). I was advised that if the problem persisted after the drivers were updated I should call back to get instructions on how to restore the machine to its "out-of-the-box" configuration, however this hardly seems an appropriate solution inasmuch as I expect that some of those twenty driver updates would be helpful to have.

I seem to recall that someone else had issues with external monitors, but unfortunately I am far too busy to go back through 550 posts. In any case I do not recall that the issue was resolved... or at least, I don't recall that the resolution to the problem was shared on this board. If I am mistaken I apologize, but if anyone can point me to a resolution it would be much appreciated.

In the meantime I am back to the Latitude in order to get my work done.

 

Hey guys, I have a t440p with the I7 4700 and the 1080p screen and have run into some problems recently. I ordered my laptop with windows 8 (stupid of me) and have recently gotten around to fresh installing a copy of windows 7 on the laptop (on an 840 evo ssd) by disabling the secure boot and turning on the legacy boot. I was able to get windows 7 on the machine without out too many problems and have since installed all of the drivers and got the laptop running nicely. One thing I am noticing that the boot is taking much longer than I expected because after the lenovo boot screen I have to wait around ~30 seconds with a black screen before i see the windows splash screen. Is this normal? I was expecting a little bit better from the ssd.

A second problem I have is that on the display there is now a purple streak going down it that I can see whenever the screen is on a dark background.The streak is about an inch or two long is a little left of the center of the screen. Does anyone know what may have caused it or if there is anything I can do to fix it? I have a warranty so I plan on contacting lenovo soon, but thought you guys might have some insight.

Other than these two problems, I am happy with the laptop.

Thanks in advance!

 

Apart from the dock it doesn't sound like the T440p has been that bad for you. My new T440p needed a new fan assembly and display panel off the bat, but it's been fine since then.

On the dock front, have you updated the dock firmware? Not sure if it will help, but always worth trying (updating the dock's firmware fixed a USB problem I was having)

 

Thanks for that.

It did not occur to me that the dock would have its own firmware, but in discussing the matter with Lenovo tech support they agreed that the dock firmware could be the issue, and accordingly I attempted to update it.

Alas, the computer will not allow me to update the firmware unless there is an external monitor attached to the dock. Of course, there IS an external monitor attached to the dock, but the old firmware won't recognize it and therefore I am prevented from updating the firmware.

Tech support now suggests that I take the dock in to the nearest depot. So for now I've put the dock away.

If I had a mini-DP to DP adapter I could almost certainly run my WQXGA monitor directly off of the computer's mini-DP port, but in the absence of an adapter I hauled an old WSXGA+ out of a closet and connected it the the T440p via VGA, and it works fine. It's just a bit ironic that the display rez of the external monitor is lower than the rez of the laptop but it's nonetheless easier to work on a 21" display than a 14" display.

I was planning to upgrade the warranty to NBD onsite, in which case I expect that Lenovo would simply send me another dock (along with a return shipping label). But so long as I can run a WQXGA off the mini-DP port I can live without the dock until I find myself in the vicinity of the Lenovo depot.

 

wrong thread, sorry!

 

I am contemplating getting a t440p but I'm hesitant after seeing so many complaints about the build quality and trackpad. Now that its been nearly 6 months since its release would you still recommend the t440p?. Should I wait for the T450[p machines, which would come out at the end of the year?

 

Since Intel is not scheduled to even release its new Broadwell chips until the end of this year I highly doubt we'll see a T450 before mid-2015 and even when it does arrive there's no guarantee it won't have the same build quality and trackpad as the T440p.

I'm a little disappointed by the build quality of the T440p and am neutral on the trackpad, but there is no other compact 14" machine out there that offers a good screen and quad-core processor and, frankly, I've given up on any PC manufacturer ever producing something with the elegance and build quality of a Macbook Pro.

 

I think the t440p's build quality is alright. It's not amazing, but it's not awful... mine doesn't really flex or creak anymore than my t400 or t430 did.

Clickpads are definitely worse than discrete buttons, but the clickpad is at least usable this generation whereas it was absolutely horrendous on the x220/t.

 

I don't know, I love my T440p. Maybe it's just because it's my first Thinkpad, but the build quality is loads better than the Asus, Toshiba and Clevo products I've owned in the past. Coming right off of a Clevo (after an irritating return) this laptop is a breath of fresh air.

Sure, there is some minor light bleed on the screen. Sure, the touchpad isn't perfect.

But overall it's a much more complete package than anything out there. As a system administrator this is the perfect machine for me. Great keyboard for scripting, great CPU for running VMs, decent GPU for light gaming, coupled with build quality strong enough to withstand being thrown around in my backpack daily.

 

I am very curious about the future of the Tx40p line - they can not be refreshed with Broadwell, since Broadwell will only be available as U, Y and HQ mobile CPUs. The T440p (and the T540p and the W540) on the other hand come with the more traditional M and MQ CPUs inside. So either they just will still be available until the end of 2015, until Skylake, or they will be just refreshed with a new chassis, or they will be replaced by some new models with HQ CPUs. Either way, the tradional laptop form-factor seems to be considered legacy by Intel now. That also might be a reason why many of the current ThinkPads have been shifted to U CPUs compared with their predecessors (T440s, X240, ThinkPad Yoga).

 

Everything I've read suggests Broadwell will be available in the M flavor. Where did you read that it won't?

 

Intel Broadwell Production Plan Leaked - BDW-H Delayed To May 2015

This fits to all other roadmaps of Broadwell I have seen so far - no M/MQ CPUs. U / Y / HQ CPUs will be updated, M / MQ won´t. They are mentioned nowhere in all leaked roadmaps.

Also: Leaked Intel roadmap pegs Broadwell for 2H 2014 - TechSpot

So either will the M-series be discontinued or stays with Haswell until Skylake...

 

This is the latest I'd seen -- a delay in the 14nm M-series:

Intel 14nm Broadwell Q4 2014 Delay Rumor Confirmed - More Details and Updated Roadmap Leaked

 

In the actual roadmap picture, there is no sign of the M-series. And the actual news is this leak:

The listed M CPUs are all Haswell Refresh CPUs, not Broadwell...

 

Does anyone have any idea why my T440p might be giving me awful screen problems during bootup? This issue stops me from being able to boot a Windows 8 install CD, or boot into the advanced Windows 8.1 settings.

Not sure what to call this? Screen tearing? Video tearing?

 

Are you dual-booting Kali Linux or some other Debian flavored Linux? My Clevo w230st does the same, so looks like something else causing it to do this.

Check out my video:

Lenovo Thinkpad T440p(roblems): http://youtu.be/PmYNQv26VtU

Verzonden vanaf een Galaxy Nexus met CM10

 

Dual booting Arch linux. Is there some way that I can rewrite the MBR and see if that's the issue? I can't get into advanced mode so I can't do it from there...

I'm willing to get rid of my Linux partition to work around this problem, honestly I do everything in Cygwin or VMware these days.

 

I have no idea. I found out that everything was fine when I clean installed Win7x64 ultimate. It started scrambling when I installed Kali in dual boot. If you ever find out what the cause is, please let me know! Not many users have these kinds of dual boot situations.

On the T440p it even crashed so hard it only wanted to boot again after physically taking out the harddisk. I solved that by NOT touching the MBR. Eventually I shipped the darn thing back to China, because it's a big piece of sh*t hardware if you ask me.

But the half scrambled image remained. It only is present in the W7 boot animations though, so I don't really care. And it's not T440p related, because it's also scrambled on my Clevo. I'm guessing it's Linux related, but it's really strange why the Linux part messes up a different OS on a different partition.

Verzonden vanaf een Galaxy Nexus met CM10

 

I want to reinstall windows 8, would anyone recommend the drivers and order to be installed in to minimize unnecessary bloat and services?

 

If you only install the drivers, that is pretty much by definition "minimizing bloat"...

 

Yeah, but which ones and in which order? because I don't if I should install Intel Managment or EMT i'm not sure.

 

I just did a fresh install of Win 7 on mine a couple of weeks ago. The process I used should be similar for you and Win 8.

Go to Intel's site and download the wireless adapter driver (if you have an Intel part), or to the OEM of your part if otherwise. Also at Intel, download the chipset installation utility.

At Lenovo, download the Lenovo Update utility.

Reinstall Windows. Run the chipset installation utility. Restart.
Install the wireless driver.
Once you have internet, let Windows Update do its thing, then go back to Intel and run their driver update utility. For me, that took care of graphics, ethernet, bluetooth, and USB 3. Restart.

Install Lenovo update and run it. It will show you all kinds of things, most of which you don't need. You can bag most if not all of the software utilities. If you're not running domain-business or a corporate-level laptop, you don't need EMT. You most likely don't need an updated BIOS--they often don't fix anything, and Lenovo has an uneven history with BIOS updates going bad.

Hide all of the updates you don't want. Look in Device Manager for uninstalled devices or flagged devices. Find the drivers for them in Lenovo Update.

Note this: LU does not create restore points. I'd install drivers one by one and make a manual restore point after each one so that you can roll back if something goes south. If a Lenovo driver doesn't work right, try the OEM for the device.

You should be OK, though, if you go to Intel first. That leaves things like:

fingerprint reader (the driver and the interface software are the same file download),
camera
card reader
monitor
sound card
touchpad

that you get from LU.

Also, have a look at the SWTOOLS/Drivers folder in your current installation to familiarize yourself with what the drivers are called and which versions you have installed. Note that Intel might install something more current than what Lenovo has on offer at this time. I know that I got a more current graphics driver. My T440p shipped with an OEM version and Intel's driver update wouldn't run their more current driver install. Once I reinstalled Windows, however, the newer Intel drivers all installed just fine.

Take your time, make restore points to be safe. Only install hardware drivers at first. If you think you want Lenovo utilities or software, you can always do that later. But most of it is just junk that overlays functions that Windows already does natively. Power management, for example. Most of what shows up in LU you'll never miss.

Good luck.

 

Great, done. But i still have Intel Management Engine and Intel Collaborative Processor Performance Control showing up, should I install them?

 

Let 'em go. They are for remote management of PCs in a corporate environment. If that's not you, then no.

 

But in Device Manager I have these 2 unknown: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_8C3A&SUBSYS_220E17AA, which seems to be Intel Engine and ACPI\VEN_INT&DEV_340F which seems to be CPPC, according to google. So I guess i;ll have to install them, anyway?

 

I didn't. Look for Active Management Technology AMT in the BIOS that you can disable which may make it go away from device manager. I had disabled AMT in the BIOS before I reinstalled, if I remember correctly, hence I never saw anything related to it when I opened device manager to begin updating drivers after the first boot after chipset install.

Try deleting the device in device manager, then restart and open the BIOS before rebooting. Disable AMT and then boot. See if that doesn't make it disappear. If disabling AMT doesn't do away with it, let Windows search for a driver to satisfy itself. You don't need to install the software.

ACPI is something the OS uses, though. Let Windows find its own driver for that. ACPI in my systems is a Microsoft-provided driver.

(Click on "Update Driver" in DM properties for the devices.)

 

So is the LG FHD that was previous advertised as being IPS actually a TN? They've taken down any mention of it being IPS on Lenovo webpage and I asked a sales rep about it and they said it's TN. I bought the laptop a few months ago with the FHD "IPS" option and this thing certainly doesn't look like an IPS. Aside from the fact that I've had to send it back three times due to pressure spots, backlight bleed, and stuck pixels, the viewing angles are horrid and actually worse than many TN monitors I've seen. I'm pretty pissed if this is the case. That's false advertising and a bait and switch.

 

Thinking I should have gotten the T440p instead of the S. Its still my style, its still portable and its way easier to upgrade. Oh me.

 

wanna trade?

 

i'd be interested if a full refund wasn't possible

 

hi, just received a company laptop - T440p - but it comes without a backlit keyboard...aaaargh.

I've seen T series backlit keyboards around, but want to ask. If I replace the non-backlit with backlit, will it work plug 'n play style?

is the keyboard difficult to swap? I've disassembled laptops in the past, so just asking if there is anything I really need to be aware of.

and lastly, anyone with link to PDF service manual?

Thanks

 

Yes, backlight keyboards can be swaped with non-backlight keyboards plug-n-play.

It is very easy to swap the keyboard. Take a look into the HMM: http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/t440p_hmm_en_sp40a25467_01.pdf

The Backlight-keyboard I would recommend is the one from LiteOn. See: http://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/t440p_fru_list_20140217.pdf

 

thanks, appreciated.

 

You do want intel cppc installed


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How is the cooling in this laptop under full load, is it quiet and cool?

I have to choose either a T440P or S, I had a Macbook Pro haswell and it insanely hot, I hated that.

I just ask as I saw this review
Review Lenovo ThinkPad T440p 20AN-006VGE Notebook - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

But seems like they have a defect fan?

 

I have the T440p, it's fine and can get hot and noisy on full load. I think if you want a dedicated graphics card, this it's a good choice, otherwise go for the T440s.

 

If you sit with it in your lap and its under heavy use, does it get uncomftable and do the keys get hot (I hated getting sweaty hands with my Macbook)

 

No, haven't had hot keys, but on lap, yeah could get a bit warm.

 

I am in the process of buying a ThinkPad T440p and under the wireless section, in regards to 2 options:

Intel Dual Band Wireless 7260AC with Bluetooth 4.0
Intel Dual Band Wireless 7260AN with Bluetooth 4.0

The 7260AN is a new option and seems to be a newer release to 7260AC which I though was the latest. Can someone please tell me the difference?

 

@IndianGuardian

Intel Dual Band Wireless 7260AC as the name implies supports 802.11ac Wi-Fi (two streams, up to 866mbps of theoretical connection speed) while Intel Dual Band Wireless 7260AN is simply 802.11n card supporting both bands at up to 300mbps. There is no difference between 6200 and 7260AN as far as an average user is concerned.

 

Does anybody else's screen not display whites as truly white? On my display whites have a creamish tint.

 

Which bus is the SD card reader connected to on the T440p? USB2? USB3? PCIx?

Where do I look to find that in the specs for the device?

 

According to Device Manager, it's a realtek PCIe one in the t440s (probably the same in the t440p). That probably explains why Lenovo has drivers for the card reader as well (considering USB ones are just generic removable mass USB storage devices). For what it's worth, it doesn't show anything in explorer until I put in a card, even though I have it set to not hide empty drives.

 

Hi everybody

What's the best Linux for this laptop in your experience - one where all/most of the functions of this laptop would work ?
Any experience with OL (Oracle Linux) or RHEL or CentOS on t440p anyone?

cheers