T440s Owner´s Thread

Turns out that my t440s had a AUO and my modded T431s has a LG so I did some comparisons. Pictures will follow.

1. Both screen is excellent. If I have to rate them, I would say the LG is a 7.5 and the AUO is a 8.
2. Contrast on AUO is a bit better. Did a visual test on Black level - Lagom LCD test. I can see the last box on the first row with the AUO, LG I can only see from the 2nd row.
3. AUO has more pop, not night and day more, 10%ish more.
4. AUO has a warmer color calibration (hence the yellowish look on whites), the LG has a cooler color calibration. AUO wins on pictures of people.
5. Viewing angles on both is excellent. On extreme angles, LG wins when viewing from the bottom. But the AUO wins when viewing from the top. Miles better then TN with both. If TN is a KIA, these are the BMWs and Mercedes.
6. Brightness is about the same. To lazy to bring out the color meter for a actual reading.
7. As for the sparkles, yes they exist. But very little on both, LG has a bit more.
8. Both has horrible light leak, but I have come to terms with these problems, I think I only got 1 notebook in my life that had close to no light leak (2012 MacBook Pro retina, and was 1 out of 4 I bought)

 

This is more in line with what people were saying originally. I don't know why suddenly the LG screen was horrible in comparison to the AUO. I thought it was non-touch vs touch instead of LG vs AUO. Now that people know what (bad) to look for, they will I guess.

 

Here are some gaming observations.

T431s with i5-3337u vs t440s with i5-4200u.

Hearthstone (max res, max detail): 36fps vs 24fps
League of legends (max res, medium detail) 41fps vs 32 fps

The older t431s is more potent, but it runs a lot hotter. Roughly 15 to 20 degrees F.
Both machines are on ac power, battery fully charged, on windows 8.1, intel's latest drivers, power scheme on max performance.

 

No, I gave them reasons, specifically back-light bleed through, sparkle / grainy display coating and made sure to mention that I had another unit to compare against.

Im too surprised they didn't send a new bezel sticker with the LCD, but seeing as I spent 30 minutes on the phone explaining to the tech all 3 new parts I needed for the LCD cover and bezel, I think their knowledge on the T440s is sorely lacking at the moment. Still, my phone calls to them have all been pleasant, and they have gone ahead and done whatever they can to make me happy without any questions asked.

Hope to have a positive update come Friday afternoon!

On a side note... is there anyone else who has had issues creating a backup system image with Windows 8.1 Pro? For the life of me I couldn't get it to work so finally went with a 3rd party program. The built in Windows software kept giving me errors and failing me every time, even after I fixed the partition issue for not having enough space on the Shadow Drive.

 

Thanks for posting this. Where in the HMM does it say this? I'm not able to find that reference, and I'm sure the support center will ask if I ask them to send a replacement to the tech before he's even touched it.

 

I guess I have no point of comparison, and I'm not super knowledgable about LCD screens. All I can say about mine (and I'm not too sure how to tell which I have, since the hardware list link earlier in the thread didn't show my monitor) is that it feels like the backlight is a spotlight or something. For example, in this test: Viewing angle - Lagom LCD test, if I view the colors (scroll down a bit), there's almost a circle in the middle where the color looks as it should, and any movement of my head causes the colors at the edge to change considerably. I still find myself regularly adjusting the monitor to make sure it's at an optimum angle, which I hadn't expected to need to do on this machine. It's still an improvement on the T60 - the colors don't completely wash away at extreme angles, especially when moving the monitor vertically - but not quite as revolutionary as I had expected. It sounds like maybe I have the LG, and the AUO might be a bit of an improvement, but maybe I'm also just expecting too much out of this - I was expecting something like my iPad, if not in resolution, in viewing angles.

For those with a depot repair warranty, is there any chance they can get the monitor replaced with the AUO, or is that only going to work for people with an on-site warranty?

 

Sounds like you might have a TN screen....what is the max resolution you can set the lcd to? 1600x900 or 1920x1080? (If 1600x900, then you have the TN screen.)

 

It's the FHD, 1920x1080, listed in "Screen Resolution" as a "Wide Viewing angle & High density FlexView Display 1920x1080"

You can see my reason for concern given that you thought it was a TN screen based on that description.

ETA: I checked with AIDA, and it does indeed seem I have the LG screen:

Manufacturer LP140WF1-SPK1

 

After 3 Months of using the T440s, I have just checked the battery capacities of my two batterys: It seems that the internal battery really is made to last longer, the internal battery has lost 1 % of the capacity, the external battery has lost 7.1 % of the battery capacity.

 

How many cycles on the external? That's not encouraging. The 6 cell for my X220 has lost only 15 to 18 percent after 2.5 years and 350+ cycles.

 

Should be ~30 cycles. My external battery is made by Sanyo.

 

Can anyone with the AUO screen post a quick video demonstrating the viewing angles with it, like the one that was posted of the LG screen a few pages back?

 

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I think I figured out why the t440s is slower, it only have 1 ram module (4gb), while the t441s has 2 ram modules (4gb x 2) allowing the gpu more bandwidth.

 

Hmm, even in the first few days of having mine at some points the external battery showed around 5% battery wear according to Battery Bar and some other programs, but then when I let it charge all the way up it always ended up going back to full design capacity (and in fact it's about 1% higher than the design capacity). I don't put that much stock in these battery wear programs.

 

I just received my new T440s yesterday and sadly, I am ready to return it. The problem is with the text size and screen resolution. The text size default is 125 and option to increase to 150. I tried this and the text bleeds and really looks bad.I have the FHD screen resolution set at the default 1920x1080 and tinkered with that trying different resolution levels and still I am having a hard time reading any web page. For example my homepage MSN.com has 2 and 1/2 inches of dead space on each side of the borders. My only satisfaction is using pinch to zoom to get the reading level and size I want. I am not visually impaired as I just use everyday reading glasses. I am so frustrated that I have already shelved it for now and am using my old X120e to type this. I have the 30 day free return and plan on using it.

Any suggestions?

 

I have no issue with my FHD (AUO which was just put in) and love the resolution at 100%. I guess this just may be a personal preference thing?

 

I just received mine today. It is nice as expected. Already played with at T431s so I familiar with how it looks. I have the extended battery and it is thicker than laptop but this laptop is so thin and light it is not even important. It is great solid. How can I tell what screen I have?

 

Go into the BIOS, you will find the option to disable the TrackPad there under "Config".

Generally, it is maybe easier to get used to the new integrated buttons if you select the "bigger button size" in the drivers.

 

Depending on your browser, you can set things like default font size and zoom, so it might work better once you've changed those things. I generally agree that FHD resolution makes a lot of default-set programs having really tiny fonts, but many times you can configure them to improve this. I just opened my bibliography software, JabRef, and even my young eyes had trouble with the default 10 pt font size - however, I was able to change it pretty easily to 16 pt and now it's readable once more.

I do like the width in some ways - it's much easier to put two windows side-by-side and still see enough of what you're doing in each for it to be useful. This is the kind of resolution where MacOS' default of sizing a window only to the size of the contents actually makes a bit of sense. On the other hand, 80% of what I read or look at is longer than it is wide, so I do end up with a lot of deadspace (e.g. when reading academic articles in PDF). Oh well, the content gods decreed we would have widescreen, and here we are...

 

Thank you. Does anyone know how to cleanly take of the Windows and Intel stickers from the palmrest? or rather how to get the sticky stuff off after you take of the stickers? I like to have a clean palmrest.

 

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Use the same sticker to rub on the surface till is clean. The sticky stuff on the sticker will grab and pickup the remaining residue.

 

So I have been through 3 laptops with the new Lenovo glass trackpad and I can say the consistency sucks.

1st one, the left top click is sallow, soft and sloppy, drive me nuts.
2nd one, awesome feel on the top left click. Feels better then the real buttons that it replaced.
3nd one, Left click is OK...better then 1st one and worse then 2nd one.

The top left click is important to me because I primarily use the trackpoint.

 

I just now noticed that the default install sets fonts to 125%. Annoying. No wonder everything looked so crisp. I put it to the normal 100% and will be reevaluating the display. It still looks "fine" at 100% but I don't have anything else similar to compare it with other than my 1920x1200 desktop monitors. Obviously compared to those the text isn't as crisp. I am still curious to see a viewing angles video of the AUO display. This one is weird since it behaves like a TN panel in terms of the backlight when shifting away from a perpendicular angle to the screen, but once the "bright spot" goes out of view you can still see colors and everything at ok quality. It's hard to explain better.

The cover and keyboard are fingerprint oil magnets.

 

Firefox with NoSquint and Theme Font & Size Changer add-ons will solve your web browsing problems. NoSquint allows changing of web page font sizes and will remember your site settings. Theme Font & Size Changer enables you to change the font and/or size of the menus and toolbars in the browser.

I feel you on the larger problem and I too am struggling with the problem of how to get out of a crap TN world and into quality IPS without the readability issues that come with higher resolution. I'm not blind but my eyes aren't 20 years old anymore either.

 

I downloaded Firefox and noticed a 100% difference from Google Chrome!
The screen and text are now totally acceptable and I haven't even added the add-ons you mentioned. Good to know they are there if I need them.

Thanks so much Robisan!!!

 

On the beginning I was really disappointed with the tech specs of the new t440s
I thought that I will end up with new mac book pro but due to long list of the issues with instillation of the linux I decided to buy t440s

" 20ARK31JPB128G - Core i7 4600U / 14,1 Full HD / 12288 / 1000 SSD - Samsung SSD840 Evo MZ-7TE1T0BW 2.5 / Intel HD 4400 " + Ultradock

I'm using ArchLinux

+
quality
screen resolution
battery !! - up to 11hr with standard battery (Powertop output - wifi + screen backlight 30 % - The battery reports a discharge rate of 4.40 W ...)
charger

-
performance - really missing quad core processor, it will be really hard to handle programming tasks on this machine
white stains at the edges of the screen

+/-
touchpad - on the beginning it was unusable, after some tuning of the configuration for me it behave like previous generation


issues:
- external monitor via dock freeze the OS
- problems with sound specially headphones / strange noises when no sound

 

So I don't think my T440s has a backlight for the keyboard. Is this possible? It was ordered on my behalf, so I didn't actually see anything about the keyboard, backlit or not. Is there any way to check via device manager? I didn't even think it was possible to order one without a backlight, but Fn+Space does nothing and there's no icon on the spacebar.

 

Has anyone done a comparison between the FHD touch and the FHD non-touch on the T440s?

I just put my dad and my system side by side and did a comparison of the two. The colors seem pretty close, although his Touch screen has a bit better contrast and more "pop", but more importantly the whites are significantly whiter and it seems like a brighter screen in general.

Admittedly, Im a bit jealous at the moment I didnt go touch screen, even if I wont use it that much. Anyone else care to comment between the two? Is the Non-touch represent a more accurate color / white/ contrast palette, or is the touch version more accurate?

Im debating sending mine back and grabbing a pre-config touch unit. All thoughts are appreciated!

 

I have both (touch fhd t440s AUO, regular fhd t440s LG). My guess is if the touch had the LG screen, whites will be whiter. My touch had the AUO and is a warmer color (yellowish). The extra layer of plastic does give it more pop but adds more glare in daylight (compared to the non touch version).

 

My dad has the AUO in his Touch model and the whites seem whiter and brighter than my AUO Non-Touch. Both look to have the same display model number as well in regedit. Wonder if the touch has a brighter backlight.

My blacks seem a tad blacker, but not that much. Right now the semi-gloss isn't bothering me much, but in Daylight I could see how it would. Must decide what I want to do.

 

Hi all. My T440s arrived today.

IMO, the screen is magnificent, the touchpad wonderful, and in general
everything is peachy.

Except windows. Soon it will be rplaced, but I have one small question.

I've made a recovery usb stick which will boot the computer. Is there any
way to verify the integrity of the recovery disk short of actually re-installing
my system? My apologies, but I find it hard to navigate in windows 8, and
am hoping there is some way to run a verification program.

Thanks for any advice.

 

more on my new T440s - running a mint linux from usb stick. Lots of problems with touchpad as
as been reported in this (and other threads). Linux (default settings) doesn't handle the button
zones very well and the pointer tends to jump around when you try to push.

Here's a curious thing - I ordered the intel wifi chip with - supposedly - only 2.4 ghz
support. In windows, I only see the 2.4 networks when I started up.

In linux both 2.4 and 5 ghz networks are visible and work. I don't understand
that at all (probably somewhere in windows you configure to see all
networks???).

 

Hey,

since a few hours I am also owner of a T440S in Germany.

Unfortunately they sent me a T440s with a LG-Panel which i looked up in Bios.

Now Iam asking myself if I should considert to send it back, to ask for the tech and bring in an new AUO-Panel or just to live with the LG-Panel.

For answering this question it is necessary for me to know if the AUO Panel is so much superior to the LG-Panel that I should do everything to get it changed.

As far as i could find informations in this forum, all of them say the AUO is a little bit better but both display have a very good quality ("mercedes vs bmw"). If this is clearly our position then I am ready to live with the LG one. But if there is a clear quality difference, I am not ready to accept this.

What would you guys say?

Kind regards

 

opinion is like an ....... , everyone has one

 

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What is your model number ? ty

 

Both Intel chips support Wireless-N on 5 GHz. The difference between them is whether they support Wireless-AC.

 

Do you have the touch screen?

 

My screen was replaced yesterday. The AUO blows that LG away and is what it should have been in the first place. Because of the lack of graininess in the anti-glare coating, everything looks much sharper now. Viewing angles are also now what they should be for an IPS display. Whites are warmer relative to the LG, but imo it's because the LG is too cool (too blue) which makes them look 'whiter.' Properly calibrated displays have always initially look too warm in my experience.

Like HKINGS, my On-Site replacement itself it was a disaster. I got the most heavy-handed tech possible. Nice guy, but I thought surely something was going to break the way he was doing things. He didn't put it back together correctly either and things weren't lining up correctly everywhere. He ordered a replacement lid, screen, and bezel assemblies but I'll probably cancel that. After he left I re-did the whole thing, and it's ok now. I'm still on track to receive a replacement which is supposed to ship by the end of the month. If that doesn't have the AUO, I'll swap screens and probably keep that one, just knowing what this one's been through.

 

vinuneuro: Do you have the capability to get a quick video showing the viewing angles of the AUO display? I and I'm sure others are curious to see how superior it is to the LG.

 

Here are videos others already posted. It's a big difference. The LG is more like a TN display.

LG:
Luminosity on T440s IPS LG screen - YouTube

AUO:
ThinkPad T440s screen + speakers - YouTube


My notebook shipped with Windows 8. Technical support sent me Win 7 recovery disks but they won't even boot presumably because of the BIOS OS signature. Looks like clean install is the only option if you want to downgrade.

 

How do we know the second one is an AUO screen. Also, I must have the LG screen because that is what it looks like on my screen. They are similar when you are closing the screen but when you are opening the screen away from you the second video/AUO screen is clearly better.

But now I am afraid to get a replacement due to the handling of the screen by the techs. Also thinking of asking them to open up the base cover for me so I can put RAM in there. However, I am wondering if they could that if technically they were only called in to fix the screen.

if I called for the screen, I just complain about the bad viewing angles, and weird luminosity when you tilt it back, then specifically ask for the FRU for the AUO and they will then come and do it for me since I have next day?

 

Yes, but I wonder why when I configured my machine my choice was:

vs

I thought the single vs dual band was the choice between just 2.4 or 2.4 AND 5ghz.

Also, why does my 5ghz network not show up in windows (only 2.4 is visible)
yet both 5 and 2.4 are joinable in linux???

To answer another question, I have the standard, non-touch model
(the bad LG one supposedly but it looks perfect to me; no speckle, no bleed, etc)

 

ibmquality, per the HMM you're supposed to remove the entire screen assembly. It's possible to do those leaving it mostly together and just doing it with the bezel off in which case they won't remove the base cover. It's not like they have some special pry tool, they just use a screw driver. I don't know what the fuss here is with the base cover, it takes just a few min the first time and less than a minute once you've done it a couple tines. The bottom video of the two is the AUO because it doesn't have TN viewing angles.

albright, if you're happy with the LG that's the next best thing to having the AUO. Leave it alone.

 

Thanks vinuneuro. Wow, now I'm definitely getting my LG screen replaced after seeing that AUO video. The viewing angle is in a completely different league. No moving bright spot at all on the AUO.

 

Thanks Vinneuro I will see what I can do with a screw driver without pry tools. And I will call in for the AUO screen. The viewing angle thaf is bright is much narrower than the AUO althought video settings were different in the vidoes. I would rather get the AUO and see no improvement than live with the LG wondering if I needed to change.

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I was sure I saw something like "always use a new LCD bezel when replacing" somewhere but can't find it now either. Sorry for confusion.

 

I am an owner of T440s FHD non touch.

Are you loonking for this information?


€: I can clearly say that my LG-Display is definitely inferior (much inferior) to this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eXZCo9OJCM&hd=1

 

Not sure they'll replace it if there's no specific problem with it.

I have too much light bleed on the LG screen of my T440p (makes it bad for photo editing) so I called to get it replaced (I have onsite warranty) and was told the AUO part was back ordered and it could take several weeks to get it replaced. I also need a new fan assembly, so will wait for that, too.