T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

Plenty of companies will continue to buy the standard T430/T440 laptops due to their cheaper cost. Unless, of course, the T440s is going to be much cheaper than I expect it to be.


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Hmm. looks like lenovo just took the link offline.

 

We're going to different directions I was Apple for two decades before switching to the x220, and it has been by far the best laptop I've owned. I used to cycle through Macs every two years. They are really overrated in my opinion. I don't mind sacrificing a bit of thinness for more functionality, but I know that's probably not the case for most people nowadays. To each their own.

 

A closer look onto T440s

http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-front-1.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-overhead-keyboard-2.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-keyboard-zoom-3.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-keyboard-zoom-4.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-front-win8-fnc-keys-5.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-keyboard-zoom-6.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-monitor-zoom-7.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-side-back-8.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-back-cover-9.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-side-back-10.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-back-zoom-11.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-side-12.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-side-13.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-side-14.jpg
http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-t440s-side-15.jpg

 

Yep. Perhaps that was a typo? Anybody got a screen grab of it?

 

Yes, Google did it

ThinkPad T440s Ultrabook Laptop | Lenovo | Lenovo (US)

 

Is it already 100% sure, that there is going to be only 1 Slot for RAM? So the other is soldered onto the motherboard?

 

Yes, it is: 4Gb soldered on MB and 1 slot for banks of 4Gb or 8Gb.

By the way, thanks to this question I've found this document http://lenovoservicetraining.com/co...0 DDR3L-1600MHz SODIMM Memory 25-Jun-2013.doc that reveals a full line of Haswell-based ThinkPads:

In other words, there are L440, L540, T440, T440p, T440s, T540p, W540, X240, X240s somewhere around the corner! I'm curious what those T440p/T540p are?

 

@Bloody Nokia Adept: thank you. Honestly I was afraid of hearing this is coming to be true. Somehow I don´t like the idea of soldered RAM. But it's very common lately...

 

I'm torn. I was waiting to pull the trigger on a putative T440 or T440s, and it seems to tick all the boxes for exactly what I want in an upgrade over my T420 - except I do have two 3-series docks, and am not sure I want to re-buy new docks to go with the new PC. It would make it a REALLY expensive changeover.

Maybe I should just wait for the clearance sale on the current models and buy a fully loaded T430s......

 

Wow i was totally wrong. T440 440s and 400p! I hope the T440P is the 47w quad + 65W GPU.....schweeet

 

Can we still have a dual channel ram with a single soldered ram (if we buy only 4 GB ram machine) ?

p suffix usually means performance upgrade. It can be CPU or GPU or both. But I suspect T440p will have better GPU than T440.

 

Sure, it will. See the PSREF on T431s http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/ThinkPad T431s - new format.pdf or ask T431s owners -- this machine has similar memory configuration and it is dual-channel capable.

 

Talking about T440-ies -- T440/T440s/T440p -- I'd expect T440s to be a business ultrabook for lightweight computing speced out at max of Hswl-U/12Gb/HD4400/IPS, T440 to be a descendant of current workhorse T430 and speced around Hswl-M/16Gb/HD5000/TN and T440p to be a dreadnought laptop with Hswl-HQ/16or32Gb/HD5200+Optimus/IPS. Does it make sense?

Disclaimer: it was a clear speculation and I have no information about Lenovo plans.

 

Hm p version, sounds nice... I just hope it will have FHD IPS option too, not just s version...

 

I can't imagine a world in which the T440p would have worse screen options than the T440s.

 

It's Haswell and the 3c has 47Wh if it's the same as the T431s. This means you get around 10h of battery life or 20h with both batteries.

 

Well real world T431s battery life in a few reviews has been 5hours and 40 minutes so.... I think one review got past 6. So lets just say 5.5 hours and maybe 12 with both.

 

You can't compare! This is Haswell were talking about! Battery life increases at least 50% with Haswell ULV CPU's, thus 10h/20h are actually very realistic. Especially since the IPS allows you to dim the screen without loosing readability.

 

yeh but we're also moving to a higher resolution which will kill battery life a bit.

anyway, i'll be happy if we can get 12 hours with both batteries. that would match the battery life in my t400 with 9 cell.

 

Actually I would probably err on not saying anything until its tested. I doubt battery life will increase 50% considering there are different screens. I have not read articles on new laptops declaring a huge increase in battery life after Haswell besides the Macbook air. Also hasn't Lenovo (and other companies) often overestimate there battery life. I mean T430s was supposed to be 6 hours and it's real world has been 4 hours. T431s was rated at 9 and it seems to be about 6 (based on internet reviews most people on this forum does not have one yet). So let's just underestimate or wait and see.

 

A trustworthy computer magazine here (it's called c't) tested identical laptops (some Dell or something), one with Ivy and one with Haswell. They witnessed a 50% increase in battery life during the light usage test. (web surfing)

Only the ULV Haswells have better battery life. The normal Dual and Quad cores are what are being tested at the moment and those last as long as ever. I'm 100% percent sure those 9h Lenovo claims are what you will most likely get. Also, I don't see why the screen should use more power. At the same brightness setting there should hardly be any difference at all.

 

Back when I had a T61p, the was for pro. They've simply revived the old moniker. The P series may have higher resolution available than the T440 and more processor options... If convention holds! Can't wait to see it though... Though, I'm sitting out this round with my T430s and W530 in tow...

 

Switch cycles at some point. The "tick" in each cycle is never anything great from Intel. Eg. Nehalem, Ivy Bridge were pretty mediocre. Big improvements with Sandy Bridge, Haswell, ...

 

Nehalem (and Westmere) was a big upgrade from the old core architecture with great performance increase. Sandy bridge made it even better. Haswell was hyped too much and couldn't deliver on all the expectations. But still a nice upgrade too Ivy.

 

Duly noted, and taken under advisement...

 

because the cpu is pushing more pixels. its not about brightness at all.

 

I hardly believe 1920x1080 is even worth mentioning to the CPU. If it were something like 3200x1800 then I would understand. But Full HD won't make the CPU use that much more power that you actually notice it. After upgrading a 1600x900 T530 to a 1920x1080 T530, you won't notice a difference in power consumption either just because of those few more pixels.

 

In what world is 633,600 pixels a "few"?

 

did it say the HD+ had ips option as well? i like 1600x900, it would be interesting if you could switch these screens into old models with really crap displays like the t420, but it will depend on the connector used i suppose.

 

So from the time Lenovo puts up a new product page, is it usually a month until it's available to purchase? Can anyone comment based on prior laptops?

 

and X240t ?

 

yup, both have IPS.

 

Although having a dedicated GFx card + HD5200(with dRAM) will be nice, I don't think intel ever intended for that configuration. The HQ series was probably meant to be for performance laptops that doesnt have the thermal solution to include a quadcore and a dedicated graphics card. With the HQ chips you get a powerful quadcore and a decent graphics card with a 47W power envelope. It's pretty magical.

I would argue that the vanilla T440 will get the haswell HQ + HD5200(with dRAM) and the T440p will get the 4700MQ-4900MQ + 45-65W GPU.

At least that's what I am hoping. I would assume most people will be happy with the HQ+HD5200. But the Pro version will need to have a certified graphics card otherwise it's a joke. A quadro 500 from 5 years ago is still faster than a HD3000, even though it should be.

If the 'P' version ends up being just the HD5200 + HQ chip and the vanilla being MQ with the HD4600 im going to be really pissed

 

FYI, Nehalem was a tock, as was Core before it, Sandy Bridge after it and now Haswell.

Also, higher res screens use more power, but IPS also uses more power than TN LCDs. But it's definitely worth it to have a high-res IPS. After 3 ThinkPads, I would likely be looking elsewhere for my next laptop if Lenovo didn't finally make this change.

As for the info about 4GB RAM soldered on board, where is this info from? I have 16GB RAM in my T420s. I couldn't possibly downgrade in an upgraded laptop. I run virtual machines and a lot of software for my software development. There has to be an option to include 8GB as the soldered RAM chip as a minimum.

Otherwise, I think the T440s might be my next laptop when it comes out, judging by the specs I see so far.

 

Me too. Full 1080P on a 14" is overkill for me.

 

From what I have heard there won't be an x240t...

 

Source? And what are alternatives?

TPT? It's tablet only.
Helix? Expensive as hell.
Twist/S230u? Does not have wacom digitizer.

None of them are equal backfills to X240t! I hope Lenovo is not sacrificing X240t in favor to other tablet options in their portfolio.

 

same hopes

After testing Tablet-PC (asus transformer book) and PC-Tablet (x230t), I believe the x230t will be the format of the future laptops. Sansung think aswell with the Ativ Q. I just hope lenovo have something in mind to replace the x230t.


And btw, the asus transformer book it's a really nice piece of hardware, if they polish a little more that design and add more battery and better way to hold it in Tablet mode, it's something to have in mind in the future.

 

From I have seen on S431, it took about 16 days. But for T440s, the page was taken down, so I'm not sure when.

 

lead_org.

And he seemed pretty adamant about it too, which is why I kind of lost hope.... though I too think that the alternatives are rubbish and would much rather have an x240t.

EDIT: Anyway, let's stay on topic; I think you can find some of the relevant posts in the Helix or 220/230 threads.

 

The t440s lookes quite good, not completely sold on the trackpad though but I am quite interested to see how much the t440 and tt440p weight. If they weight before i make a final decision.

 

Wonder if the IPS will be high gamut or not.

 

No hopes on that. It will take another decade for these companies to use high gamut on laptops if we will be using laptops in that future.
Only few companies respect that color reproduction and lenovo not in that list. Very few consumers understand and appreciate the difference too unfortunately.

 

Very true. Best we can hope is 100% sRGB

 

Probably same panel as the alienware 14.
High gamut is just additional manf cost with no benefit for most end user, at least for now.

 

I would prefer 90% sRGB with mate display

than

100% sRGB with glossy panel


...but right now I will just conform with flicker free, not PWM panel with any glossy/mate or even 70% sRGB.

 

I'm using the T530 with the FHD and just used another laptop with 15.6" FHD and there is a big difference. This laptop will be good for a while and maybe by then there will be better screens out there. Thanks.

 

Many thanks for all the info and photos you've posted.

My main concern is the drive(s). My T410s has a 160 GB SSD + 750 GB HDD in the UltraBay, so if the T440s won't allow me to use a mini-PCI SSD + second drive, my search for a new laptop will continue...

Update:

Instead of just being clueless, I RTFM which someone posted.

The manual claims 2.5" HDD + "M.2 solid-state drive for caching only."

I THINK the M.2 slot can be used for a second drive, not just for caching. Opinions?

On the downside,
- if it's 3.6 lbs with 3-cell battery, with both batteries it will be heavier than my T410s with optical drive/second HDD and 6-cell battery. Why this extra weight?
- keyboard layout a HUGE step backward with no dedicated F-keys, volume keys not set apart, and no browser page forward/back buttons.
- no connector for the OneLink Dock. I thought Lenovo was really pushing this new dock, and that all models would be compatible. Too bad, because it's actually pretty nifty.
- speakers on the bottom (even though there's plenty of space next to the keyboard.) The speakers can only be better than the garbage on my T410s though.
- no battery, WiFi, BT indicators. Why???
- VGA. Come on, it's 2013!
- 16:9 display, which is ~10% smaller than the 16:10 on my T410s.
- no ThinkLight (which I prefer over backlit keyboards.)

If the M.2 slot allows for a SSD this would make the T440s the only Haswell computer I'm aware of with a 13.3" or 14" display (IPS!), reasonable weight, DisplayPort, Ethernet, and TWO drives.

 

Too much hysteria. I think it is pretty clear with the T430u -> T431s -> T440s progression that this is genuinely an ultrabook model - not just a slim Thinkpad.

So if the part numbers are correct, I suspect that the T440 will fill the place that the T430s did in the previous lineup, and the T440p becomes the followup to the T430. These models with an ultrabay and 2 user-replaceable sticks of RAM will be coming.