T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

I'm definitely not buying it for gaming, but I can surely see myself trying to play a few games here and there..

 

Yeah that's definitely reasonable. I think the GT 730 should be pretty capable for light gaming tasks. For me all I play is Starcraft 2 occasionally which is not very intensive so the T440s is fine for that (also I have a pretty strong desktop too).

 

The only game I play is SC2 as well. According to tests online, Intel 4400 is more than enough for me.

 

Here is a benchmark of the HD 4400. My brother has a laptop with a similar performance GPU and it can play LoL at 1080 with High settings at 60FPS easily.

Intel HD Graphics 4400 - NotebookCheck.net Tech

 

Here's a new video showing the different battery options and how they are hot-swapped.

Lenovo T440s Hands-On and Hot-Swap Battery Demo « Ultrabook News and the Ultrabook Database

 

Nice find! The 72wh battery looks pretty reasonably sized, and since there's power bridge it seems like if you can afford it and don't mind the bulge it's an easy choice because if you need to shed the weight for whatever reason you can just take it out and walk around. I guess you'd have a slightly awkward gap, maybe they can provide a cover or something to hide it. Really excited about this laptop, it really looks perfect for me, as if someone asked me what I wanted in a laptop and built that.

 

Any news on UK availability yet?

S

 

Called an UK rep yesterday and he said 2-3 weeks (posted this a page back)

 

I am just wondering if it wobbles when it is laid on desk. Obviously it will be elevated but does it balance well?... And still waiting for someone to tell me what does Lenovo give you if you refuse the second battery and only use the internal 3 cell. Why? For aesthetics when I no longer need the extended battery and using my laptop as a desktop will there be a space filler of some sort, or is that what you guys call a caddy?

 

Here is annother nice Hands-On with the T440s Touch from IDF 2013:

The T440p is also shown (shortly) as an example for the old top-mounted hinge-style.

 

Do we have a speculated price?

 

I am sure it wobbles like all other removable batteries that thinkpad has made...

Balancing should be fine - the X series 9 cell used to stick out the bottom as well.

There is no "caddy" or "space filler" - you can't buy this laptop without a removable battery.

 

Does T440s will have i7 option ? Now I'm little bit confused - lenovo websites says up to i5 and all news in the web + youtube movies from IFA Berlin says up to i7 .

 

Yes, there are i7 options. You can see this in the latest tabook. http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf‎

 

I like this video better. She showed how the laptop sits with the extended battery. She also pointed out something I may not have know. TH 17 hour battery life is with WIFI off. I had a T43 that had an estimated battery by the company at 4 hours. And it actually always gave me that with WIFI on. I guess that was an exception. If my laptop is on it is always connected to wifi so the extended battery it is.

However as NobodyAround just mentioned, if the Lenovo is not selling the T440s with only the internal battery, the extended battery whether 3 cell or 6 cell should not be considered an Accessory but part of the original parts and should be offered with the extended warranty/sealed battery warranty right?

 

would these screen be able to fit on a T420 by any chance? lol really wanted a nicer IPS screen for it

 

Whoops - sorry missed that one.

I hope it's right. I was told that about a month ago!

S

 

$1,150


Lenovo Newsroom | Lenovo Extends Battery Life with Thinner ThinkPad T, X and S Series Ultrabooks

 

It won't. The new screen use eDP interface instead of the old LVDS interface.

 

If you use the internal 23 Whr battery + the 72 Whr, you will get a total of 95 Whr of battery capacity. You should be able to get 6.5+ minutes per Whr if you have the i7-4500U, 1080p touch screen, and a SSD. This means you would get 10+ hours of steady use or more if just web browsing. If you stick with the standard 23 Whr + 23 Whr (46 Whr), you should get about 5 hours of steady use. I am pretty sure you can get way more life if you aren't using it too intensively.

AnandTech | The Haswell Ultrabook Review: Core i7-4500U Tested

 

Thanks for the video. That is an incredibly chunky battery when I compare how much thickness the 6-cell adds to my X220. I'll just keep a spare 3-cell.

 

one thing that surely shown. its a lovely screen.

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Thank you. This was tested on a different company Acer laptop right and an I7. I will be getting the I5 from Lenovo I will have to wait and see. But looking company to company and Whr to Whr. I know the Lenovo T431s with 47 whr battery life was giving people about 5-6 hours of average battery life. I assume the T440s will be about the same then with 46whrs of battery. And that is a sad assumption.

On the Lenovo UK site it says **Up to 6 hours with standard 3-cell battery. However, what is confusing about this estimation is what I was leading to in my last post (#1267). Do they mean the standard 3 cell battery WITH the internal battery make 6 hours. Or does the "standard" internal 3 cell battery alone make 6 hours. But if you can't get the T440s without an extra battery, should the 3 cell really be called standard when it seems it is just a "free accessory"?

From a marketing perspective that is really bad, because it is sort of worse than lying about battery life in that is down right misleading. Cause if one were to think that the internal battery give 6 hours by itself then say your external battery (whatever size) died if you were an office or walking around campus you might say hey I still have 6 more hours left on the "standard" internal. Only to find out that is not true.

However, this may be a good thing from a buyer's perspective. If an extra 3 cell were "standard" for a total of 6 cells, that means anyone who buys buy an extended 72 whr battery have the potential to have 95Whr of battery life but then also swap the 3 cell in get and extra 23Whr. So the estimated potential "time without a power cord" would be maybe 20+ hours (the Lenovo estimated 18 hours + the 3 hours presumed to be given by the 3 cell). Follow
I would definitely carry around an extra 3 cell battery along with my 72 whr extended battery over a power cord. The 3 cell and power cord may weigh the same, but when I am in a rush it's easier and faster to grab a battery than it would be to grab and wrap a power cord. Plus a 3 cell or even 6 cell would be able to slip into my backpack easier than a power cord.

But that seems to good to be true. We will see the format of the checkout options when it gets to the UK if they don't come hit the US at the same time.
I assume that power manager will show two batteries side by side and alerts for each one. I wonder if it will ask what it will have instructions on what do when you are connected to one battery or both? ie. If one one battery go to sleep after 20 minutes, if on two batteries "never go to sleep" etc.
lol too much speculation. I need to relax.

 

Is release date still end of Oct. for US?

 

[Edit: crap, the Lenovo doc someone posted above says single-sided SSD and the one below is double-sided.]

Here's a new SSD for the 42 mm M.2 (aka NGFF) slot!

Intel SSD Pro 1500 120 GB:

AnandTech | Intel's SSD Pro 1500: SF-2281 with vPro Support, Aimed at OEMs/SIs

Intel® Solid-State Drive Pro 1500 Series (M2): Specification

Thanks to user zalcorus for the info.

 

Thanks.

The document shows the CPUs which will be available in the US:

i5-4200U (1.6-2.6 GHz)
i5-4300U (1.9-2.9 GHz)
i7-4600U (2.1-3.3 GHz)

All come with 802.11ac WiFi!

45 W AC adapter (should be small and light.)

The Touch model is 2.3mm thicker.

Weight with 3+6 cell batteries 3.9 lbs / 1.77 kg (non-touch.)

Battery life with 3+3 up to 8.4h, with 3+6 up to 17.8h.

No NFC!

700:1 contrast ratio on the FHD panel.

3-year warranty on almost all models.

Extended warranties up to 5 years.

Only some of the SSDs are compatible with Microsoft eDrive (hardware-accelerated encryption.)

 

So no discrete graphics option. Bummer. The i7-4600U is pretty nice, but I don't know if I can live with just an HD 4400.

 

Yeah, HD 5000 would have been nice but it almost seems like Apple bought all the xx50U chips for their MacBook Airs. Don't think I've seen any other ultrabook announced yet that has it, I think they're all 4400.

 

Here's the new psref for Europe: http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook_WE.pdf

Answers a few questions, at least until the CTO details are available. No IPS in HD+. And surprisingly, no Win7 preloads in Europe.

S

 

Opinions sought: Should I order this machine with Windows 8.1 + a touchscreen, Windows 8.1 with no touchscreen (I hate fingerprint-smudged screens and I've also read that touchscreens are more power-hungry; also, 8.1 supposedly will work well without one) or Windows 7 (which I use now and really like) with (of course) no touchscreen?

 

Funnily, not one of those configurations lists 4GB soldered plus 8GB as an option.

 

So we shouldn't expect T440s to have dGPU 730M? That blows. =[

 

Your choice really.
I would order the touchscreen with Windows 8.1 even if you don't use the touch at first.
You could check if you are entitled to a Windows 7 downgrade or install 7 in dual boot.

If you aren't interested in Learning anything new you may want to use 7.

But for all its faults Windows 8 has great advantages too and if you care to learn its philosophy you may even find that it's actually very good, and will be even better in 8.1 for Windows 7 users.
I have been using Windows 8 since its launch on non-touch computers, both laptops and desktops and I could never go back to 7 despite some unnerving design failures.
It is simply way too good when you have lots of devices. The parameter passwords etc autosync is outstanding, and adding Skydrive sync I never ever have to think again if I took this or that document with me on a usb stick.
Whichever of my device I use, everything is there.

Don't forget the Metro Music App which could be improved but gives you the biggest song Library available for free (a few adds here and there), and a few metro applications which are very good (most notably the news apps, but some have more to offer than meet the eyes, such as the travel app with which you can look for and purchase flights).

 

wondering the same, what gives...

 

Thanks. After I posted that, I read that the touchscreen version is almost a pound heavier. Could that be right? If so, it would be an easy decision for me (not to get it).

 

No, it's around 170g / 1/3 lb heavier. Also 2.3 mm thicker.

 

Okay, thanks.

 

Thanks.

Other differences compared to North America:

Some models have a/b/g/n WiFi instead of ac.

Some models don't have the backlit keyboard.

 

According to the Tabook.pdf document listed a few posts back, the Multitouch weighs 170 grams (or .0.4 lbs) heavier than the non-touch. Not a huge difference, but still quite noticeable I believe

I'm personally leaning towards the non-touch version due to it being lighter but also that the new T440's trackpad was specifically enlarged to make use of Windows 8's gestures.

 

Also, I assume (am I right?) that a touchscreen will use more power. If so, does anyone know how much more (perhaps on an overall battery-life percentage basis) vs. non-touch?

 

Same here, I'm not bothered by the added thickness (around 2 mm) of the touchscreen option, but i'm bothered much more the added weight...

 

+1

0.4 lbs is a noticeable difference in something this light. And they're kind enough to let us pay more for it. If the cost is substantial, it'll be an easy decision to skip it.

Unfortunately I haven't come across any Win 8 gestures that approach the usefulness of what Apple gives.

 

can i get FHD IPS and touchscreen?

 

Touchscreen is only FHD IPS.

 

Has anyone found FHD too hard on the eyes? Obviously, 1080p is a big selling point of the laptop, but I have bad eyes....

 

It depends. I have an 15.6" FHD and when its used at 100% zoom levels, everything is small. However, 125% DPI fixes this issue. I believe that having 100% scaling is better if one can use it since everything appears as intended but we have to make tradeoffs. If the lower resolution screens are as good as the FHD screens, then I will choose. I have found that in many cases, the higher resolution screens offer better image quality so they provide more advantages. The tradeoff is that when you scale at 125%, everything may not appear as meant to be - for instance, some of the images are blurry because of the extra zoom. This is not a big issue though.

 

Windows 8.1 is supposed to do a slightly better job at scaling, but some text and other things will be tiny anyway. It will depend on how many old apps you use which don't scale well. Only you can know what you're comfortable with, so I suggest you go to a store and spend some time on a laptop with a similar screen (perhaps 13.3", since 14" FHD is a bit rare) to see if you can live with the limitations. I think 1600x900 is a good resolution on a 14" 16:9 display, especially for people over 30, but that choice doesn't get you the sweet AHVA/IPS 700:1 contrast ratio goodness of the FHD panel.
I've had IPS desktop monitors for a long time. I find the awful TN panel in my T410s more tiring to look at than my desktop monitor, irrespective of pixel density.
Lastly, there was a recent article on Wired.com about reducing eye strain by matching colour temperature to the ambient lighting. Basically, you want a warmer colour temperature when you're using artificial light (versus daylight.) There's a utility which will make the adjustment automatically. Keep Your Computer From Destroying Your Eyesight | Gadget Lab | Wired.com

 

If Asus can use the i7-4558U, then why can't other manufacturers? All I want is that in a 14" ultrabook. Is that so hard?

Sorry, I know this seems kinda off topic, it's just frustrating how every laptop I look at is "close but no cigar." I could have been on board with the T440s' 4600U, but pairing it with crappy integrated graphics is a deal breaker.

 

I agree completely that every laptop has one or more severe flaws.

Here's my ideal, which doesn't exist:

14" or 15" 16:10 IPS matte LCD, at least 1440x900 on 14"
Two spindles, SSD + HDD
i7 with Iris 5000 or discrete GPU
12 GB RAM, preferably 16 GB
10-hour real battery life
1 week sleep/standby battery life
Dedicated media keys (not combined with F-keys)
Similar or smaller size as my T410s
Similar or lower weight as my T410s (1.75 kg / 3.85 lbs)
3 USB ports, at least one powered, at least two USB3
DisplayPort or mini DP
Ethernet
802.11ac WiFi
SD card reader
Delete, Backspace, PgUp, PgDn, End, Home keys
A good keyboard
More or less silent at idle
No hair dryer noise at full load
No vents on underside
Indicator LEDs for charge, WiFi, HDD, sleep
3-year warranty
Backlit keyboard or ThinkLight
Good speakers that aren't on the bottom
Magnetic power connector
Small and light AC adaptor
Webcam

Optional:
Expresscard
eSATA
Thunderbolt
Fingerprint reader
Page back/forward keys
Colourful chassis
Removable battery
Dock-compatible (at least something like the Onelink Dock)
Thin display bezel
Ports on the back (for a cleaner look when connected)
WiFi on/off switch

 

Yours is a lot more specific than mine.

14"
Decent Haswell CPU (2.0 GHz+)
Iris 5000/discrete graphics
1920x1080 IPS (or similarly good) touchscreen
Dedicated Home/End/Pg Up/Pg Down keys
Decent speakers
Min. 500 GB HD with SS OS/cache drive
<4.5 pounds and <0.9" thick

The closest I've seen is the Acer V7. I may end up biting the bullet and getting that if it drops about $200 in price. If the Lenovo U430 actually comes out with all the specs listed on its datasheet then that would be pretty much perfect for me, but I'm not holding my breath. I'm also pretty interested in the HP Zbook 14, but there's no telling when it will come out, and it will almost certainly be badly overpriced.

My current laptop (which weighs about 50 pounds) is still going strong so I might just have to hang on to it for the forseeable future.