T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

What are you doing that requires more? If you were looking for a gaming machine or working on rendering, this machine would not be what you are looking for let alone the HD4400.

 

Crappy? It can handle most things people do on an Ultrabook. This is not a gaming laptop or a rendering workstation. The HD 4400 can even support 3 monitors. So please tell me what makes it crappy.

 

Smaller numbers. But seriously, if they wanted to do rendering of any sort on their T440s, the 4558U has a much higher TDP and much bigger iGP. It'd definitely make the HD 4400 seem 'crappy' in comparison.

 

Your ideal doesn't exist because it is not worth it for the manufactures to make and sell because it would be too expensive. A 10 hour "real" battery life and everything else you asked for would definitely put this over 5lbs.
Here is what the T440s offers:
Full HD IPS 14" screen with a thin bezel.
A standard size HDD or SSD with options for M.2 SSD in the future (Intel has some in the 42mm size)
i7 with HD4400 that should not have a problem with anything beside games and rendering
10 hour real battery life with the 3 cell and 6 cell
Easily 1 week in sleep or standby
3 UBS 3.0 port with one being powered
miniDP and VGA
Ethernet and Intel AC WiFi card
SD card reader and Smartcard
Delete, Backspace, PgUp, PgDn, End, Home keys
Almost best keyboard on a laptop
3 year warranty (might have a option for 4 or 5 also_
Backlit keyboard
Good speakers
Fingerprint reader
Removable battery
Best laptop docks
all in a 13in laptop form and staying around 4lbs while maintaining a professional look.
I don't see a laptop that has all these feature + more.

 

The problem is the higher TDP. It drains more power. Many people wouldn't mind giving up graphic power that they won't use for a longer battery life and portability. If they did, they wouldn't be buying T440s.

 

That's the whole problem. The T440s isn't what I'm looking for, and neither is anything else. Every single manufacturer is making the same damn laptop, and NOBODY is making anything with decent performance. The Asus Zenbook looks alright, but it's too small for my tastes. All I want is a decent compromise between battery life and performance, but so far, the only things available are either one extreme or the other. And even if I was just gonna say screw battery life, the Razerblade, Gigabyte, and Clevo options are all pretty poor from a build quality standpoint, and none of them have a touchscreen.

 

but you haven't told us what do you want to do it with your dream machine.

 

Razerblade poor build quality? It is basically a MacBook Pro in black with a higher end GPU. The T440s has good performance as well as any Haswell Ultrabook. What are you even going to use it for? Well Nevermore0, just wait till more manufacture start putting in their standard mobile processor.

 

I want good battery life, and good graphics performance, but I don't need them both at the same time, So long as it can do fast graphics on demand, I don't mind if it switches to the Intel graphics if I want to save power.

I work for a software company with a 3D design package. The OpenGL graphics drivers for Intel graphics are a lot buggier than the ones from nVIDIA and AMD, and if I'm doing a demo, slow graphics makes the program look bad, even if its a problem with the hardware and drivers. However, when I'm doing a demo, I don't care about the battery life as I'll usually have mains power.

I also want a docking station for the office, a nice 13" or 14" screen that is small enough to use on an economy flight, and at least six hours of real world battery life whilst browsing, emailing or coding.

At the moment, it looks like a T440s, a T440p, or an HP ZBook 14 will fit the bill, but none of them are available yet.

 

See HP Zbook 14...

The 2013 MacBook Air has 9 - 11-hour battery life yet weighs a lot less than a T440s.

I agree the T440s is close, but plenty of comments in this thread point out what it's missing.

 

No good for me because of the glossy display, only one USB3 port, no media keys, etc, but it seems like a good machine. It looks like the 24 GB SSD can be replaced with a higher capacity one (based on a photo only.)

Why don't you believe the datasheet? It's heavier than the T440s, no IPS, only one USB3, no DisplayPort, no Ethernet, max 8 GB RAM, but i7-4558U or GT730M, and a nice colour.

Holy cow! THIS is why I'm following this thread! I didn't know about the ZBook 14. It ticks tons of items on my list!
I think a big T440s vs ZBook 14 discussion is about to start!
My main question is about the battery. Does the optional 50 Wh 3-cell fit completely inside??
Specs http://www.notebookreview.com/assets/72760.pdf
Photos and info HP ZBook 14 hands-on: the world’s first workstation Ultrabook - SlashGear

I need to hand down my T410s to my father to replace his T40 (yeah!) which is getting too old, otherwise I could stick it out a while longer. Looking forward to IPS/VA and a performance and battery life boost.

 

The T440s is not a gaming machine nor a mobile workstation. If you want that, then the T440s is the wrong machine, again.

Lenovo has the T440p, which is much more powerful with Quad-Core CPUs and an dedicated GT 630M (which isn´t available for the T440s in North America), but still reasonable thick and heavy (27.8mm/1.9 kg). The T440p basically replaces both T430 and T430s when it comes to power (because it is the only Full-Voltage 14" T-Series left) and is positioned between them in the weight / thickness aspect (T430: 2.16 kg; T430s: 1.79kg -> T440p: 1.9kg / T430: 29mm; T430s: 26mm -> T440p: 27,9mm). The T440p is as heavy as the last years T430u.

The T440s on the opposite is the most mobile T-Series yet with more than enough horsepower to do basic office and business-tasks. It is simply not meant to be a mobile power-notebook.

 

But other manufacturers seem able to pack more into similar size/weight chassis...

 

I have the i7 2620M in my X220 (which is the greatest laptop I've ever owned!). Does anyone know how that CPU will compare (performance-wise) to the Haswell i7 in this machine? Is the new chip at least as powerful? (I assume it will provide much better battery life.)

 

Thanks for posting the size/weigh specs: but I'm still a bit surprised that the T440p is 27.9mm thick yet only weighs 4.1 lbs...don't get me wrong, I am a proponent of sacrificing some size for functionality but it doesn't seem like lenovo has packed that much into the T440p... on second thought: 3 cell battery, ultrabay, quad core CPU?, dedicated dGPU, 4 USB 3.0 ports, expresscard, multiple other ports...

Do you think the 4.1 lbs is without the hot-swap battery? Seems gimmickee for lenovo to post those weights since we're probably forced to buy the extra battery with a new laptop.

 

Where is the information on the quadcore from? I havent seen any confirmation of a quadcore. And it GT730m right?

 

I have the same. You could look on PassMark - CPU Benchmarks - List of Benchmarked CPUs although the new processors in the T440s aren't listed yet.

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business grade notebooks have different requirements from consumers ones.

 

You can compare here Intel Core i7 2620M Notebook Processor - NotebookCheck.net Tech

 

The HP ZBooks are business grade, though I don't have much hope for their customer service and don't expect ThinkPad build quality.

 

+1 on the HP ZBook 14. The T440s is now off the table for me, it's either the T440p or the HP machine, whichever one comes out first, but it looks like everything is coming out in October. Unless, of course, things get pushed out another month yet again.

 

This 50 Whr battery must fit inside the Zbook as it is an internal battery underneath the back cover. I do however like HP's removable back cover without needing screws. No idea on battery life but I don't think it will be in the 7 hours mark (unless maybe idle?).

Also, no idea why you guys are comparing this with a T440s. You should be comparing this laptop with the T440p.

Also, it's great you have your "dream" laptop but it's just a dream. No manufacturer can make it because there are too much self-conflicts in the specs and so there must be a compromise found.

 

HP said ZBook 14 meets the "Intel specification for ultrabooks". So it uses the ULV cpus.

 

Thanks! So here's what that site has on the i7 4500U that will go into the T440S: Intel Core i7 4500U Notebook Processor - NotebookCheck.net Tech

Can one of you engineering types (I'm sadly not one) please summarize in plain English how these two compare? Or isn't there enough data yet on the 4500U?

Thanks!

 

There isn't too much data on that site at least (only a handful of reviews of machines using that CPU so far), but basically it's slightly slower than your CPU in some benchmarks and slightly faster in others. The numbers are pretty close either way, I think it'll be pretty comparable if a tad bit slower than your CPU. The 4600U which seems to also be an option would probably be slightly faster on average than your current CPU. The main innovation of Haswell is to get that performance of two years ago into half the power envelope; straight up performance is strong as always with Intel but that's not what they focused on for this generation. Or at least that's not what the ULV CPUs are focused on. Hope that helps!

 

Why do you think the battery life will be worse than the T440s? The ZBook has 3 more Wh with the optional battery, the fanciest display has PSR (Panel Self Refresh) which lets the GPU idle when there's no display activity, improving battery life. Same Intel 4400 graphics are available.

The ZBook 14 is just a tiny bit larger than the T440s and uses the same CPUs. The weight is similar. Both are Ultrabooks. Why compare with the T440p which is in a completely different class?

There are still quite a few unknowns about the ZBook, but it has pretty much all the important things on my list:

YES, but 16:9. 14" or 15" 16:10 IPS matte LCD, at least 1440x900 on 14"
YES. Two spindles, SSD + HDD
YES. i7 with Iris 5000 or discrete GPU
YES. 12 GB RAM, preferably 16 GB
Unknown. 10-hour real battery life
Unknown. 1 week sleep/standby battery life
Mute only. Dedicated media keys (not combined with F-keys)
YES. Similar or smaller size as my T410s
YES. Similar or lower weight as my T410s (1.75 kg / 3.85 lbs)
YES. 3 USB ports, at least one powered, at least two USB3
YES. DisplayPort or mini DP
YES. Ethernet
YES. 802.11ac WiFi
YES. SD card reader
YES. Delete, Backspace, PgUp, PgDn, End, Home keys
Unknown. A good keyboard
Unknown. More or less silent at idle
Unknown. No hair dryer noise at full load
NO. No vents on underside
Unknown. Indicator LEDs for charge, WiFi, HDD, sleep
YES. 3-year warranty
YES. Backlit keyboard or ThinkLight
Not on bottom. Good speakers that aren't on the bottom
NO. Magnetic power connector
Unknown. Small and light AC adaptor
YES. Webcam

Optional:
NO. Expresscard
NO. eSATA
NO. Thunderbolt
YES. Fingerprint reader
NO. Page back/forward keys
NO. Colourful chassis
YES. Removable battery
YES. Dock-compatible (at least something like the Onelink Dock)
NO. Thin display bezel
NO. Ports on the back (for a cleaner look when connected)
YES. WiFi on/off switch

 

I hope that one day will build machine for developers - something between T440s and T440p maybe T440d - I thought that t440s will be alternative for mac book pro but it isn't .

- quad core and slim profile ( apple can handle this .. I think lenovo can do it to..)
- 16gb+ ram (if you're running two or more vm's this is really required )
- 22-24 mm profile at its thickest point ( T440p has 27,9 it's even more than my T420s - two generation older..., it's nice to take your environment with you - that's why I'm buying notebook - I mean .. longer distance then to the nearest meeting room)
- no ultrabay (no ultrabay/dvd - guys I really cannot understand why you're fighting so hard .. we have 21st century we can boot from usb )
- graphic .. iris will be enough

and the last thing...

- no windows on board..

 

Does anyone know whether the T440s and regular T440 use the same keyboard, or will the T440s have a version with less key travel? Just curious as I know Lenovo uses a shorter key travel on some really think models like the X1 Carbon - I recently had a chance to try out one of those next to a T430 and the X1C's shallower key travel was noticeable to me despite supposedly being a different of something like 1.8mm v. 2mm.

 

If you compare the T440s with the ZBook 14 with the optional battery, then the T440s also should get its optional battery. So, in the end, the T440s (extended battery) has 45 Wh more battery capacity than the Zbook 14 (extended battery). That means the T440s would nearly double the ZBook in the battery-life department.The ZBook 14 is just a tiny bit larger than the T440s and uses the same CPUs. The weight is similar. Both are Ultrabooks.

The question is: Where is the big performance gain for the ZBook? The CPUs are the same, you have 4 GB more RAM, and the dGPUs should perform both good (GT 630 vs. AMD M4100 [why do they use AMD GPUs? Enduro is much worse than Optimus. There should be an nVidia option]). But, of course, I am not living in North America.

T440s should be much more affordable than the ZBook.

 

Yes, that's super helpful, as the chip I have now is great so as long as I'm not losing anything I'm happy... Thanks!

 

Here here. While Lenovo and some posters may take the position they should only regard a machine according to broad purchasing categories, the fact is the t440s is an excellent system for the large contingent of mobile developers who go from conference to workplace(s) to coffee shop to home. With lean startups and the increased emphasis on security consultants this is a growing population.

Hackers Courted by Government for Cyber Security Jobs - Rolling Stone

Thinkpads are widely used in the hacker community due to their Linux support, robustness, low nonsense design and portability.

I also wanted to comment on touchscreens. I've been buying touchscreen computers for well over a decade. I don't usually use Windows. While it would be tiring to use a touchscreen for full time navigation, there are times, for example when using drawing programs (with a stylus), CAD programs and mapping programs when it is a lot more intuitive and can be genuinely useful. Last night I was with a non technical friend and they were able to easily navigate Google Maps, including Street View, solely using touch, and what would have been a clumsy process was a lot of fun. Given that everyone is now familiar with smartphones, it's fully logical to support operations in this mode and we can expect to see many more applications depend on this feature. It is however unfortunate that it adds .4lbs and 2mm to the t400s' weight, but if Lenovo comes out with a 16GB capable model, ideally with a low power quad core CPU, I will likely get it.

 

Guys! My friend at Lenovo leaked the T450s!!!

 

hey bro, what do you think between t440s and hp zbook 14. I like the samsung ativ book plus but not happy with 4gb and 128gb for $1400... plus I've read the resolution is ridiculous and hard to read at full potential resolution.

I guess I gotta wait until end of october to see full released specs of t440s and zbook 14. I'm after something with minimum 8gb ram and 256gb ssd. I would love a 512gb ssd. I wanna keep that ultrabook for portability and travelling.

xD

 

Stupid. I don't see anything that makes it a Thinkpad besides the the photoshopped Trackpoint. Where is the quality keyboard, the click pad, the matte screen, the mechanical dock, and the Mil Spec? It is basically a MBP in black.

 

Zbook is definitely more expensive and you do lose out on the mechanical dock. Both have 8GB RAM option and you can easily put in your own 1TB SSD if you want. The full specs for the T440s are already up.

 

The Zbook definitely packs a better GPU but It appears like you lose out on the mechanical dock. My bias is that I am in the Finance field and we prefer more monitors but I also understand many developers and programmers want to have GPU performance. I don't think the T440s is best for them. Lenovo made the W series for those guys but you lose out on portability and batterylife. As always, finding a perfect laptop is hard because PC makers try to cater to everyone needs.

Also, the MacBook Air can squeeze out more performance out of a similar capacity battery is due to the OS. Mac OS tends to be very power effiecent. Put Windows 7 or 8 on any Mac and you will get the same battery life as most other notebook.

Edit: It appears the Zbook14 has a dock but it doesn't look like it will have as much expandability as the ThinkPad Ultra Dock.

 

ah yes, cool. is it more economical to purchase with a 1TB SSD or put in your own? in general that is? how much are we talking for a few different models of the t440s?

and sorry to be noob, but I'm sure this is able to be done on a desktop, but can you partition the SSD to say 120gb and have a second at 880gb? however laptops I'm sometimes not sure.


cheers

 

also what's the main purpose of a mechanical dock? to plug your t440s into a monitor? say you don't need this, would you go a zbook 14, or would it still be a better ultrabook in your own opinion compared to the zbook14?

 

so when is this coming out? i started reading from beg of october, to end of october, now even november??

 

No manufacture sell their laptop with 1TB SSD options. They would charge you probably 20% to 100% more. You can buy a 1TB SSD for $635. A 256GB SSD might cost you only $170 but a PC manufacture would charge you almost $300.

And you can partition a SSD on a laptop just like a desktop. However a 1TB SSD is insane for most people but whatever floats your boat.

 

Official on Lenovo's website, the end of October and my best guess would be Oct. 23

 

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The purpose of a mechanical dock is to make setting up your laptop at your desk easier and taking your laptop quicker. It also allows you be easily support two more external display and provides you with quick charging. If you don't need this and don't mind popping a the few extra hundered for the Zbook 14, it would be better performance wise. I don't know if would be as durable as a ThinkPad.

 

lol cheers bro, I got over 40TBs so 1TB to travel with for awhile is a bit disappointing, I just don't want to carry around a big fat external hdd haha. so where I end up, I'll have the box of hdds shipped to me xD

ok so ideally, I want to buy the 128gb version, upgrade maybe the ram to 16gb if I'm keen. then swap out the 128gb hdd for a larger one, bobs your uncle?

 

I know it is a joke but I think it is ridiculous to claim the ThinkPad are just going to be MBP in black. Some people are serious about it. I laughed at the picture but it got annoying after that.

 

wut, so the power from your wall to the monitors and that powers to your thinkpad charges your thinkpad? so no need to have your power plugged into your thinkpad? that's pretty neat. I've never heard of that before.

 

Are you running some sort of video production or something? Anyways, you are best off just buying the slow HDD and then just upgrading to the SSD. No point in wasting your money on a overpriced upgrade.

 

The monitor doesn't send power to your laptop; the dock does.The dock comes with a power cord so no need to ever plug in your power, Ethernet, usb devices, or monitors to your laptop. Just dock it in and it is set. It basically transform into a workstation at that point. I plan on plugging two monitors, Ethernet, ,keyboard and mouse into it. ThinkPad docks have been doing this for some time now.

 

thats pretty cool. I like the sound of that. yeah video editing for gaming videos/avis

I'd definitely make use of that then. so what are we talking about in the dollar values? no pricing on the website yet :/

 

The T440s is going to be $1150 and I believe that should be with the i5, HD+, and 500GB HDD. I should cost about $100 more for the Full HD and another $150 for the i7. These are just estimate but they shouldn't be too far off.