T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

No, $16xx. See my post above.
Yes, the FHD is IPS-equivalent.

 

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Different things: The M3800 is a 15" Ultrabook, the T440s is 14" with a 13" dimension. On the M3800 not as easy accessable like on the T440s. The M3800 lacks important ports like Ethernet, VGA, or a DockingPort.

If you really want to work with the system, like you claim, the M3800 is the wrong device, del_psi

Lets see if there even will be a new Fuji-Tablet PC. I doubt it, considering that HP and Lenovo dropped the classical Tablets PCs in favor of new Lines (Elitebook Revolve and ThinkPad Yoga).

Yes, I know, you repeat it in nearly every post here or in the Lenovo Forums or in the Lenovo section of forum.tabletpcreview.com. The question is: Why even post in the Lenovo sections?

Typing on a T440s, thats not my opinion.

 

If what you said is true , then how is the M3800 even considered a workstation?
Do you have the service manual by any chance?

I guess I'm stuck with the Zbook 14 if I want an Ultrabook then.
AMD GPU FTW!

 

Because Dell decided to just rebrand a XPS 15 to the M3800 and put in a better GPU.

 

How does the 'i5' compare to the 'i7'?

 

As a guess. This doesn't have a touch screen, but it has an increased SSD capacity, and prices are skewed in that. I'm guessing it's at LEAST $1699, if not more.

That is incredibly expensive for what Lenovo is offering. I was all set for the t440s, but now I have to realistically consider other options. Lenovo is definitely smoking something.

 

I didn't know they were gonna offer it with an i7-4600M. That's the first time I've actually seen that CPU listed for any laptop. Wonder how long before it comes out.

Do they have one of those sites for IdeaPads?

 

Benchmarks here Intel Core i5 4200U Notebook Processor - NotebookCheck.net Tech

The i5 is a bit slow IMHO.

 

I am glad I live in a state with no sales tax. It makes huge purchases a lot easier.

 

Looking at the HMM it looks like the optical drive is not an ultrabay drive. They specify a screw that has to be removed before being able to extract the drive.

Someone tell me I am reading that wrong somehow because I was hoping to use a battery or SSD ultrabay option.

 

THe T440p has an UltraBay slot. There will be 2. HDD adapters just like on all former T4xx. The only difference now is that they are screwed (if you want, you can leave the screw out if you want).

The UltraBay battery option is long dead for the regular T4xx models.

 

What is meant by "minimum 25% discount available"?

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Use some easy discount site like Barnes and Noble Gold. Maybe you could even stack some coupons?

https://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary...ovo:EnterStdAffinity?affinity=barnesnoblegold

There are other sites which offer better discounts though.

 

ok... what I really need clarity on is minimum or maximum 25%?

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The T440s is already available on ebay: Lenovo ThinkPad T440S 14" Touch FHD i7 Haswell 8GB 256GB Wireless AC WIN8 Pro 3Y | eBay Pretty high-end config, FHD Touch, i7-4600U, 256 GB SSD, Intel Centrino Wireless 7260- AC, also pretty expensive.

 

Me no bid!

 

Any news on the danish price?

 

In a few places on the net I found some hints of L440s, t440u and t440i. Maybe someone heard more about these? or are these not real?

 

These are not real, the same applies on the T540s.

 

I have no idea why Lenovo prefers 37W i7-4600M over the 15W 4600U that offers enough performance, that is better suited for an ultrabook and that has much higher battery runtime. HP and Dell are smarter...

 

Fairly sure that's a typo, it doesn't make sense that they'd offer one 37W option and multiple 15W options.

 

I was initially very interested in this laptop, but if these turn out to be the real prices when it goes up for sale in the US, then I will have to look elsewhere.

 

These are not the retail prices and not the prices for the machines that will be sold through lenovo.com.

 

there was a t440s (2 of them) on ebay already, they're gone though can't find them anymore they sold at 1800 a piece

edit: just found

Lenovo ThinkPad T440S 14" Touch FHD i7 Haswell 8GB 256GB Wireless AC WIN8 Pro 3Y | eBay

 

You can get them for 10-20% off these prices usually. Base seems $1130, warranty is $70, 4300 is $80, FHD is $70. So you can probably get FHD for not significantly more than $1000.

 

These prices seem to have little relation to US retail prices. Lenovo W530 with 8GB RAM, FHD screen and 500GB HDD = $3459.00? Not according to lenovo.com, even without any discounts.

 

Sure, that's an anomaly, but you have to admit that the T440s prices can't be far off from US retail (for example, they already announced base T440s would be $1149).

 

According to the Lenovo table, this one from ebay should cost $1000 more.

I hope it will be possible to get the good enough base model (i5-4300, FHD non-touch, 4 GB, 500 GB HDD) for something like $1000 this month. If not, maybe hp will release an EB 840 with similar specs

 

so windows 8.1 is out in less than two weeks now.

lenovo needs to have this configurator up this week.

 

They have another webinar for their partners this Wednesday - hopefully we will hear more then

 

Nope. Not possible. T440s is starting at $1,150.

 

Yeah. It looks like it deserves to cost $1,800. It has a FHD touch screen, i7, and 256GB SSD which as an upgrade on any Thinkpad would cost you around $400. Base price of T440s is $1,150.

 

With the quintessential Lenovo discounts (or even B&N Gold) you could probably get the $1150 model for $1000. Definitely not the FHD model however.

 

I looked at the T31s in person today which is pretty much the same chassis. I don't think I'll be getting the T440s.

Can someone who's looked at other products please recap the closest competitors from Dell and HP?

 

No, there are some small differences in the material (T440s Palmrest = slightly rubberized, T431s = plastic), the ports are placed differently, the internal layout is completly different etc. Also, some owners of the T431s said that the hinges seem to be weaker than the one on the T440s. Also, there seems to be less keyboard flex on the T440s.

But everything else is likely completly the same, yes. The outer design is the same.

 

Afaik, the T440s is largely the same construction as the T431s. The T431s that I used today felt pretty cheap. Enough for me to say that Thinkpad's as we know it are dead. As someone who was set on the T440s, this has come as a huge shock.

The trackpoint is effectively gone, it all that's remaining is the red nub. If you don't want to use the touchpad, plan on getting a travel mouse. The materials for the top and bottoms covers feel cheap. Tthe hinge isn't as secure as the ones through the T430. The lid flexes a ridiculous amount. Somehow even the keyboard feels cheap though solid enough. The touchpad was decent but not as good as the X1 Carbon. There's quite a bit of flex in the palmrest. The whole thing felt cheap.

I'll reserve final judgement till the T440s comes, but this is not an encouraging sign for Thinkpad's or the T440s. It'll be sad if I end up having to buy it anyway. The only Thinkpad's that will give me the kind of battery life I need with at least HD+ resolution and a 14" screen are the T420/T430 with 9-cell, but those are 5+ lbs.

 

Well, a 500 gram more to carry isn't 500 gram when it saves you from carrying around a bulky mouse.

Rubberized... ugh.

The non-textured feel of the HP's is sweaty, but rubberized... no

 

Yea you're right. I'm pretty much set on getting a T420 or T430 and sucking it up for the extra weight. The problem with getting a T440s is the within a few months it'll be worth hundreds less, and I can't justify it for that quality machine. I'm certainly not selling my X220, it's a keeper.

 

I don't buy into that argument, since it holds for any laptop. If you don't want to pay close to full price on release, that's fine. But if you look at the T431s, it's certainly not hundreds less than at launch. Sure, you may be able to save perhaps $200 by waiting for the right sale, but is a few months of waiting and constantly checking really worth it?

 

I'm not talking about waiting for a sale. Used laptops depreciate pretty hard within months. And they end up in outlet heavily discounted within months as well. I picked up an X1 Carbon refurb for $700. I don't have any qualms about any of this. I bought this X220 within a day of it's release. I just can't justify the immediate opportunity cost as well as depreciation for such a quality product.

 

I agree with you. ThinkPads don't hold their value well anymore. Apple laptops are often the main laptops that hold their value in the modern age of computers.

ThinkPads use to define innovation as well as quality in the past so they used to hold their value very well.

 

Apple laptops tend to hold their value even better than any modern ThinkPad. It's extremely hard to find Apple laptops at 20% off or more even months after they have been released while ThinkPads can easily be found for 20% off or more within months.

 

Thats not mine experince. I am using the new UltraNav arrangement every day, and since I have the T440s, I like it more every day I use it. It has one big advantage over the old dedicated buttons: You can press everywhere on the TouchPad, and use the hole TouchPad as a button, you no longer need to press one exact button. It is more comfortable and flexible. Important is: You have to disable the TrackPad in the BIOS and you have to use the bigger TrackPoint buttons size in the driver.

You can just use the TrackPoint like on the old system, if you want. In the end, it is intuitive.

As I said, it is not. The outer design is the same, as well as the lid. We have a user in the German Forum, and he held both T431s and T440s in his hands, and the T440s was clearly better, as I said, it felt better (because of the rubberized palmrest), it was a bit more stable, the hinges were better, there is no plamrest flex etc.

As I said, the topcover surface is the same, and I don´t think it feels cheap, but thats a subjective thing. It is a very fine, smooth surface.

Thats also not my experince with the T440s. The lid is a bit bendable, but nothing really serious. I does bend nearly the same as the T420 topcover, which is a bit thicker. For a lid this thin made out of carbon fiber, it is very good. Also, time will thell how robust the lid is. Remember, displays today can take more flex than in past days, they are more bendable. Whats more important compared with how much the display panel bend: Will it crack if you dropp the notebook? Thats very unlikely with the carbon fiber lid.

Well, maybe you had a backlight version of the T431s/T440s keyboard. These ones have no matte texture. If you want the same texture material as for example the X220, you should get an non-backlight keyboard.

T430 with backligh also had no matte texture on the keys.

 

ibmthink, I hope you're right. The spec sheet ticks all the right boxes for me. Since it might some time before it hits the local store, I might just order to see for myself. Less to think about with Lenovo's new return policy.

 

Is it feasible that the T440s could get the 730m at a later date after release? (In the US?) Any precedent for something like this happening?

 

A thought on Lenovo's choice of processors and TDP. My T410s uses a 35W TDP CPU. If Lenovo had gone with the 28 W parts (i5-4258U, i5-4288U, i7-4558U) instead of 15 W, battery life could still have been alright, with much higher performance. See the 13" Asus Zenbook UX301 which uses the i7-4558U with a 50 Wh battery...

 

The performance difference between the i7-4558U, the fastest of the new 28 W CPU, and the i7.4600U, the fastest CPU Lenovo puts into the T440s should not be that big. Both have a max. turbo of 3.3 GHz, both have 512 kb L2 and 4 MB L3 Cache. The i7-4558U has a base spped of 2.8 Ghz, the i7-4600U 2.1 GHz.

The main difference between the two is the integrated GPU part, the i7-4600U uses the HD 4400 and the i7-4558U the Iris 5100. The question is, do you need the 5100 in a business Ultrabook on the go? The performance difference between the two is not that big, the 4400 is 15 % slower. The really fast Iris Pro 5200 can only be found in 47 W CPUs, the 5200 is 72 % faster compared with the Iris 5100. So I would not say it is worth the extra 13 W of TPD.

Besides, the i7-4558U does not have vPro, unlike the i7-4600U, and is not of interest in a business notebook. And the T410s had big temperature problems when it was released.

 

The biggest advantage of the 28 W parts isn't extra GHz, but that the larger thermal envelope lets them run at 100% more of the time (without throttling.) According to the benchmarks I looked up, the difference between the two i7s is around 20% on CPU and more than 30% on GPU. If the T440s cooling system can handle a 15 W CPU plus a 730M it could have dealt with a 28 W CPU.

 

My (baseless) suspicion is that the issue is more one of supply rather than cooling, and that they can't get the 58U chips in enough volume for what they want to sell. My other thought is that ibmthink is probably right that they preferred having vPro over a stronger GPU for a business laptop. However I'm pretty sure the performance difference is much closer to the numbers you stated and is pretty significant (especially sustained performance) but personally I feel it's an acceptable tradeoff because I do want to mess around with vPro with perhaps Xen or something personally.