T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

thanks.

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters" lol

 

Wait for Black Friday, it should be $50-$60. You won't need it before then.

 

Specifically the DDR3L (1.35V) models.

 

alright thanks for the tips guys.

how do you know it has to be ddr3l 1.35v?

 

Edit: All mobile Haswell systems are DDR3L.

 

T440S/440P/440 now available for ordering in the US:

ThinkPad T440s Ultrabook Laptop | Lenovo | Lenovo (US)

ThinkPad T440p Business Laptop | Lenovo | Lenovo (US)

ThinkPad T440 Laptops & Ultrabooks | Lenovo | Lenovo (US)

 

1.5V won't work, for all haswell machine

 

Well, just tried to chat with an agent about additional discounts, and he wouldn't budge from the Barnes and Noble Gold pricing. At that price, add in the tax and shipping, the T440s isn't really worth it for me, as much as I want to go back to the trackpoint.

Guess I should keep trying differenct agents? Or should I start with the regular price and let them offer their own discount?

BTW, I did ask about the difference between the 45w and 65w adapters, and he said there's not a difference in size. But he forgot to answer my question whether the 65w is 2- or 3-pin.

 

Dammit ibmthink, I just saw your thread about the Thinkpad X3. Drooling over that QHD now... But I think for me I prefer the reasonable thickness of the T440s which allows for more key travel I'm assuming. Also I guess the X3 would be more of a pain to upgrade. But it might be more "worth the price" in the sense that it'll be a really unique machine, but I think the T440s still hits my sweet spot overall.

 

Too bad it maxes out at 8 GB RAM and looks like a Macbook clone, because it has a better CPU and slightly larger battery than the T440s.

 

Engadget got 11h18 video playback battery life on the rMBP 13 under OS X and 7h47 under Windows.

Macworld got 10h51 web browsing under OS X, The Verge got 10h07.

The T440s review linked above got under 6h web surfing with the 3+3 cell (if I understand the Google translation properly.)

 

96Wh 3 + 3 cell
- 23h energy saving - no activity
- 13h web surfing
- 3,3h full load

48Wh 3 + 3 cell
- 11h energy saving - no activity
- 6h web surfing
- ? full load

 

Anyone have clear info on this issue? It would be a shame to order the default config (with single-sided cache) and then never be able to upgrade to a double-sided SSD. $26 (after coupon) is well worth it if this limitation is real.

Update: from the Q&A section on the site: "There are 2 m.2 slots available in T440s which can be filled with m.2 ssd drives. If you choose single, only one of them will be filled by the manufactorer and the second one can be filled later yourself. If you choose double, both will be filled with 16gb m.2 solid state drives at the time of purchase."

The B&N 15% discount results in $1316 for the i5-4300U FHD with AC and 3yr wty, and $1460 for the i7. Add $100 for the 128 GB M.2 SSD, and $75 for 8 GB RAM.

Estimated ship date Nov 21.


MyDigitalSSD writes: "The y510p requires some fanangling in the BIOS to run the SSD as the main drive. Yours may be the same.

In your BIOS, under Boot, change Boot Mode to Legacy Support, and change the Boot Priority to Legacy First, then exit saving changes and go back into the BIOS. Now under the Boot menu you should have a boot order on the bottom of that boot window."

 

It should be stated that the "product experts" on the Lenovo site are not so reliable, one of them said that you can install a GPU after purchase in the US version, which makes no sense. That explanation makes sense though.

 

I'm wondering the exact same thing. I've heard they're the same size, so I'm wondering if lower wattage improves long term battery health. On the other hand, a rep told me the 65W charges faster but is larger, so I'm completely lost.

 

Yeah, 8 GB is fine for me, but I wish it was dual channel. Don't care about looks.

 

I guess it's safe to order now to get any Black Friday price match... some machines (T440p) are apparently due to ship by the end of next week, putting Nov. 30 just within the 21 day "invoice" window.

EDIT: the return policy is 30 days from invoice... It's actually up on the Lenovo website now. Wonder if the price match has been extended as well

On another note, I presume the "Windows 8" preload is actually Windows 8.1 by now. Can someone confirm this?

 

Even if size is not the same, weight may be higher for the 65W charger.

 

Can anyone help me with this?

 

If it were me...

I'd chose the rMBP if:
- okay with OS X
- don't need to upgrade in the future
- don't mind the integrated battery

Otherwise I'd choose e.g. the Lenovo if:
- need it for (e.g.) Linux
- want to be able to upgrade in the future
- swap batteries

Also keep in mind the Apple product will retain more value if you decide to sell it later... I need to use Linux so I would go with the Lenovo personally.

 

Just out of curiosity why do you NEED linux? I keep hearing about it but I don't know any details. Obviously you can tell I'm not too much into programming and such. lol

 

These are the two adapters (I think!):

• 65W: ThinkPad 65W AC Adapter (slim tip) - US/Can/Mexico | Lenovo | (CA)
• 45W: ThinkPad 45W AC Adapter (slim tip) - US / Canada / Mexico | Lenovo | (CA)

The 45W is a bit smaller and lighter.


I think I'd get the 45W to carry around, then hopefully reuse some of my older power adapters (I have 3) with something like this: Power Converter Cable Adapter for Lenovo ThinkPad x1 Carbon Ultrabook 0B47046 | eBay

 

FYI - notes from an online chat with Lenovo rep a short wile ago:


Lenovo T440s Service Training deck notes: "AMD discrete graphics optional". Under what circumstance can this be achieved?
- we will offer that as a custom model in coming months, but right now the 440p is the best option for discrete graphics


Would those purchased now be able to move to discrete graphics e.g. through a retrofit or would it only be possible for units purchase in 'coming months'?
- no that's something that would have to be installed when the machine is being built


Ok, that 's a bit disappointing - i.e. more flexibility but not if you purchase now. Any more precision beyond coming months? before year end? etc.
- not at the moment


Question is, should I really care given the nature of the T440s and my usage - no gaming, limited photo editing - I do like options though.

 

IMO it depends on how long you anticipate keeping the T440s and how your usage patterns have changed over time.

My usage patterns over the years have tended towards needing more from a computer, performance-wise, during ownership as software and my interests change. As a result I generally get a mid- to high-end machine, and still often upgrade every few years.

Another question is... do you trust that rep? The T440s is also available in other countries with an Nvidia card option, so not sure why an AMD card would be in the future for the US.

 

This has already been discussed. The T440s can support its own FHD eDP display and two (2) 2560x1600 monitors @ 60Hz with the Ultra dock. Here is the link to Intel GPU
I currently have two FHD monitor hooked up to the Ultra dock via DisplayPort and I'm just waiting on my T440s to get here.

PS.... USB docks are horrible and suck. They are a disgrace to all true docks. The USB dock drives up CPU Usage and doesn't even have enough bandwidth to support its function. The only reason anyone should buy a USB dock is for more USB ports and Ethernet connection.

 

Here is the clear facts. Lenovo already said they won't be releasing Nvidia graphics for the T440s in North America. Go to Japan if you want Nvidia graphics but you will lose out on the docking port.

 

Have a strange situation, received a T440s last week (model 20AQ004JUS). I thought it had 4GB soldered on like everyone said so ordered an 8GB DIMM from Crucial to top it off. Installed it in the empty slot but that didn't work so took it out.. Checked Windows settings and it shows 8GB.. so apparently at least my model came with 8GB soldered on... now I have an 8GB DIMM that will go back since T440s can't have 16GB. Before I place another order for RAM, does anyone think 4GB DIMM would work with this configuration?

 

That is wild, totally insane, I'd be on the phone with Lenovo, although we all know how futile that can be. I'd try to get a second tier tech on the phone and figure out what the f^$# is going on.

 

Are you sure 16GB won't work? I thought the 12GB limit was purely due to the fact that only 4GB was supposed to be soldered and the largest DIMM is 8GB. A 64-bit version of Windows will happily use 16GB (and much more)

 

Thoughts on the i7 vs the i5-4300? My concern is the possibility of increased noise/fan level with the i7. A smaller secondary concern is battery life. My main use will be accessing electronic medical records remotely via Citrix, and not much else. I plan utilizing an SSD to eliminate any HDD noise. Thanks for your thoughts.

 

yeh i'd think that since you have 8gb soldered on, you should be able to get 16gb with a 8gb dimm.

 

Pretty much my question too.

How does the Core i5-4300U performs vs Core i7-4500U?
I am currently using a T420 with Core I5-2520M and I would hate, 2 years later, to end up with a CPU that doesn't perform better. Anyone knows?

 

x3

but i dont think the i7 is worth the $240 premium for a .2ghz increase in speed. and its not even quad core as its a dual core i7 like the i5. why call it an i7, i dunno.

 

It has a 200MHz base clock and a 200MHz higher turbo clock compared to the i5. This means in boost conditions, it should be near 15% faster. Notebookcheck's single-threaded benchmarks show this difference. Finally it has 33% more cache and a 10% higher IGP clock rate. I still don't think it's worth the extra $111 dollars that Intel charges. It's definitely not the $250 that lenovo is charging.

 

I need Linux because I do all of my work there. There are lots of packages I require for my work that I can easily set up using Linux, mostly Python packages. I have looked into OS X but as far as I can tell it's not nearly as convenient.

Also, my work desktop runs Linux and it won't be changing anytime soon. There are fewer complications if my laptop runs the same OS/packages/etc.

 

Just know that it is not worth the difference. You can use geekbench to see scores. The i5-4300 apparently seems to be a worthy upgrade. Just know the i5-4200U performs as well as an i5-2540M. The i5-4200U even performs better than my Quad core Q6600 desktop.

 

I ordered one today with Full HD, SSD, 8gb ram. I called and they gave me 12% discount for a discover card plus said I'd be eligible for the 5% (online) + 5% (lenovo) cashback from Discover. Hopefully I get it in a timely manner. They promised a ship date of Nov 21st

 

Just ordered:

Intel Core i5-4300U Processor on Mother Board
Operating System Windows 8 64
Operating System Language Windows 8 64 English
Display T440s 14.0 FHD WWAN
Graphics Intel HD Graphics 4400
Memory 4 GB DDR3L - SDRAM 1600MHz Base
Keyboard Keyboard Backlit - US English
Fingerprint Reader Fingerprint Reader, dock
Camera 720p HD Camera
Hard drive 500GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
Micro Hard Drive 16GB M.2 Solid State Drive Single
System Expansion Slots 3rd M.2 SSD slot
Front Battery ThinkPad Battery 3 cell Li-Polymer (23.2Whr)
Rear Battery ThinkPad Battery 3 cell Li-Polymer (23.2Whr)
Power Cord 45W AC Adapter - US (2pin)
Wireless Intel Dual Band Wireless 7260AC with Bluetooth 4.0
Integrated Mobile Broadband Integrated Mobile Broadband upgradable
Language Pack Publication - US English
System warranty 1 Year Depot or Carry-in

$1,331.72 with tax. Will order an additional 4gb for $40 and a 512gb SSD for ~300 around Black Friday so $1650 isnt too bad. May just get a 256gb though and keep it at $1500.

Anyway, thats $1100 less than the rMBP i was seriously debating so i think I made the right choice as I would have never used most of the rMBPs power.

edit:

1000th post for my second Thinkpad order. Woooo...

 

So whats the deal with current Thinkpads as far as getting the lenovo windows image installed? theres no ODD in the t440s so i cant make discs, so i'm assuming theres a partition?

if not, how would i go about doing it?

 

This is the exact configuration I ordered. Nice to see someone else thinks that it's optimal.
I'm currently debating whether I want to be the guinea pig for installing the 128gb m2 ssd and using it along with the 500gb hd, or just biting the bullet and getting a 256 ssd.

 

On the Helix I had there was still a recovery partition on the main drive, and the recovery tools let you make a bootable USB drive with the image.

 

Use a usb burner to make the discs.

 

is that the official method though?

if so, i think i'm just gonna torrent a copy of windows 8 instead.

ok cool. bootable usb drive sounds much better than usb burner.

now i need to purchase a new flash drive though as 8gb is all i have, which i assume is too small.

 

Thanks for answering to the i5 vs i7 question. Definetely Lenovo is trying to cash on those upgrades and they make no sense anymore.

I have a friend that came over tonight and she has the T431s (i5-3337u w/ 12Gb RAM and Samsung EVO pro). I've been considering the Sony Vaio Pro also but I had not bought it because I found it a little flimsy, but now that I see the T431s I find it flimsy around the screen too.
The T440s is using exactly the same design and materials are the T431s, correct?

Also her i5-3337u has a Windows Experiencde Index way lower than my 2-year old i5-2520m which is a reason why I was wondering about the i5-4300.

 

The T440s will have a carbon fiber lid and magnesium body. It however will still be flimsy and not stiff like aluminium. This is designed on purpose and you shouldn't be worry because it protects your computer from cracked or dented screen since the lid will deflect instead of absorbing the impact. WEI is not a great measure but you can check notebookcheck cpu benchmark list. It has a lot of CPU listed and should help you see the performance.

 

Don't do it. The M.2 slot is not SATA 3 so you will be losing a lot of read/write speed.

 

Where do all these discounts come from? I know Discover is doing 5% cash back for online purchases until Dec 31. What is the other 5% from? And the 12%? Are you sure they're stackable?

Thanks

 

I'd go for the same, but think paying under $100 for the three-year warranty is totally worth it. Too many things can and do go wrong with laptops and it can cost a fortune to fix. Helps resale value too. If your credit card offers extended warranty you'll have a total of four years.

 

How do you get to this price? I really would like to know because that's the exact same configuration I want to order but I don't come even close to the price you have.

 

At best I get $1,443.30 Before taxes and that's for the i5-4300U configured exactly like you said: FHD, Intel AC and 3yrs wty. What am I doing wrong?

Edit: ok got it if this is before taxes....man those guys at Lenovo can't build a proper website.