T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

Anybody know what the difference between the 45w (US) and the 65w (AG) adapters is? Before the "Help Me Decide" popup actually contained useful information specific to the options being compared, now it just seems to be simply a glossary of terms.

Also, any help on how one would go about installing a card (SDHC/SDXC) reader on a T440s?

Thanks.

 

Hi Guys,
I was just wondering, cause i am standing in a bit of a dilemma.
The different models of the t440p include: Dual core with FHD/Quad core with HD.
What would be the optimal choice? I use my laptop for just about EVERYTHING, and with the HUGE battery on the t440p. I will be watching alot of netflix, playing alot of games(FPS, mmos).browsing, homework. Really everything. So, which one?
Looking forward to a reply!
PTissot

 

Ugh. Weak sauce. I've been patiently waiting, and finally, sorely disappointed. First time in a long time having a $1500+ budget for a laptop, and was really hoping that this Thinkpad would be the one. No discrete GPU. expensive processor upgrades. Just imperfection all around. I have one play for a nice laptop, and getting this just seems like settling. Am I really going to drop all this money for the great build quality and keyboard? I don't like apple. Maybe the new XPS 13/15 looks pretty nice, but not out yet. I have a month or two to pick a laptop out. What are you guys looking at outside of rMBP/t440s?

 

Hi Guys,
I saw on the US site that you cant get mobile broadband included, only Integrated Mobile Broadband upgradable

Any ones got one with it installed already? Anyone know which cards would be compatible with it?

Tom

 

It already has one.

No.

 

I'm with many of you guys, looking at the rMBP which I would have never thought possible as a person who bought exclusively from Lenovo at least 1 laptop per year for the last 5 or 6 years...This is way overpriced and no looking good enough for what we get. Also bugs me that they can't even specify what's IPS or not in the configuration for purchase. Looks like they really don't care what their display is like once again. Back to Apple's site now and checking how the new MBP performs under Windows...and I really don't like Apple in fact but money talks...

 

Thanks. Still I'd love this to appear in my cart. The Lenovo reputation for display of poor quality worries me and I'd like to make sure that they are not trying to sell non-ips with this ridiculous price tag. I was convinced that we had talked about the multitouch not being IPS for months now, so this is new to me. Plus de online Rep told me clearly that ONLY the non-multitouch FHD was IPS.... what to trust now when they can't even make it clear on their own site while they are asking for close to $2,000 for an ok (not even very good or great) set of specs.

 

here is the latest different models available in the U.S website :



I still think the prices are too high,
also according to Lenovo Product Expert Staff Member, "The currently available T440s models all feature IPS displays. (HD+, FHD, and FHD w/ multitouch)"

 

Does anyone know when the T440s will go on sale in Canada?
(there is no sign of it at all on the lenovo canada web page,
except for "user guides" and accessories, etc.)

 

i'm gonna have to agree with others regarding this ridiculous pricing.

I'm pricing a 4600u with 8gb ram, wireless AC, Full HD, and no SSD for $1444 with IBM epp. I was expecting to pay that after tax for this computer, and the fact that it doesnt include a SSD, a likely $150 to 200 install if i decide to put in my own 256gb, that puts this at $1700 after all is said and done.

in comparison, I can get a 8gb ram with 512 PCIe based SSD for $1700 from apple with .edu pricing. double the SSD space with a SSD thats like 50% faster.
then include the fact that it gets 9 hours of battery, which engadget claims is 11 actually, and this becomes such a better value.

same weight for both computers at 3.5lbs even, and the only thing stopping me from getting the Thinkpad right now is the horrid, horrid keyboard on the rMBP.

i'm gonna give it another day or two, but more and more its looking like i wont go lenovo this time.

 

Consider getting it in the US for a better deal and possible tax savings. Lenovo charges almost double for the extended warranties in Canada. With the extended warranty you'll have global coverage, so no worries about getting it fixed in Canada.

 

I agree about the keyboard.
As for battery life, if you're going to run Windows on the Macbook it'll be a lot less.

 

the t440p isnt IPS, right?

 

There is no need to order it with 8 GB RAM from Lenovo. The pricing of the Lenovo RAM is way too high, to buy your own RAM and upgrade the notebook yourself is way more affordable (you can do that for yourself, unlike the Macs...).

These models are still brand new, so there are no coupons yet for them, I expect them to get cheaper in some weeks.

No, the FHD screen is the same for T440s and T440p, so both have an AHVA IPS screen if you get one with FHD.

 

Is there any external battery charger for the t440s battery?

 

I just ordered the T440s with the standard 16GB M.2 single slot. Is there any reason to upgrade to the M.2 double? I am thinking of just swapping the HDD drive with a Samsung 840 Pro if that helps. Also, is the 65W charge the better way to go? Thanks.

 

Does anyone know what's the difference between "65W AC Adapter - AG" and "45W AC Adapter - US (2pin)", this has me wondering what else is different than the actual W?

 

interesting. i'm gonna have to play with the T440p configurator for a bit to see how it compares to the 15 rMBP.

 

My assumption would be that the 45W adapter is smaller/lighter but the 65W adapter charges faster. That's the typical tradeoff. It would be nice if there were some specs available on the actual weight and size of each.

 

Hrmph!

I can't justify this price of the T440s compared to the 13"rMBP.

If the T440s w/ i7 + FHD (4g ram + spin drive) was ~$250 cheaper, to offset costs of self upgrades, I'd be all over it.

Both seem like great machines, and I'm flabbergasted that apple seems marginally better priced for the hardware. That's a first.

Also, everyone I've talked to and seen reviews from, have praised the rMBP keyboard. I know thinkpad is first in class, but how much worse is the Mac keyboard?

 

The prices are inflated right now. Base price is supposed to be 1149. In any case if you chat with them they are giving 20 percent off. They'll give even more for a really loaded system.

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Here is some answer about the screen from the Lenovo forums: T440s display is IPS yes or not? - Lenovo Community is this true? I read about AHVA and it seems to be really not good at all compared to IPS. Can someone confirm? If this is true then I'm out for a MBP and won't come back to Lenovo.

 

Where did you read something about AHVA and that it is worse than IPS?

In fact, AHVA is an IPS mode technology, so very similar to IPS.

The AHVA FHD screen used in the T440s is much better than the HD IPS screen used in the X220 / X230.

 

This is annoying me now - anyone have visibility on when us downtrodden EuroTrash can expect to get our hands on any of the t4xx range?
Some of us need them for school lenovo!

 

The keyboard on the 13" rMBP has changed from the old model to the new model. The old model used to have a moderate-short key travel and moderate-low feedback. The new model has much better feedback - it is actually clicky - however the key travel is now very shallow. It's basically like the current Macbook Air, but with more feedback.

Of course it still lacks separate Delete/Backspace keys. It also has the swapped Fn and Ctrl keys like the T440s, however you cannot swap them back to the normal configuration in the BIOS, therefore it is difficult to get a standard Ctrl position when using Windows on the rMBP if that is something you care about.

The rMBP still has flat keycaps versus the slightly concave ones on Thinkpads. That has never been much of an issue for me, but some may care. You may also want to consider the touchpoint as being an advantage of the keyboard as it lets you do navigation without having to take your fingers off the keys.

For me, the two big advantages of the Thinkpad keyboard are the much greater key travel and the dedicated delete key. The inability to set Ctrl to standard position is an annoyance, but probably something I could get over. If those issues do not concern you, then you can probably go with a rMBP. The feedback is good on the new model, and the responsiveness and accuracy of Apple keyboards has always been excellent. Personally, as someone who puts a high premium on key travel, I still think the Thinkpad keyboards are significantly better. I used to have a Macbook Air as a work-issued laptop, and its short travel bothered me a lot. I understand that a lot of people nowadays are used to typing on flat surfaces when using a tablet, and I think for that type of person, the rMBP keyboard will seem really good. I think that's why it tends to get high scores in reviews.

 

On page 239 of this forum post, you can see a picture of the two M.2 slots next to each other. Obviously, one is 80mm and the other is 40mm.

Edit. It appears that all M.2 slot on the T440s are in fact 42mm, even though the cache drive is bigger than the M.2 WLAN solution.
I apologize for misleading anyone. On another note, Lenovo? Why can't you include a damn 80mm M.2 slot?

 

Look at the pictures again. The left M.2 device is not 2 times as long as the right device, which means your theory is wrong.

The WLAN module is propably 30mm (the smallest M.2 size), and the SSD / WWAN card 42mm.

 

Any idea as to what and where the third M2 slot is?
I just ordered a T440s from the US site. It says that there are 3 M.2 slots.

Does this mean that if I dont get WWAN, theoretically, I could have 2 M.2 SSDs and 1 2.5" SSD?

Thanks.

 

I need a computer like yesterday. I was hoping this thing would be cheaper as well. Taking the pride out of the company you love so much would you really get this over the rmbp? I'm having the hardest time making this decision.

 

For me it comes down to keyboard and trackpoint. All else being roughly equal, I will gladly pay a little more for good input devices (I'm starting to have a collection of keyboards for my desktop). Especially as someone who is starting to have wrist pain issues, having the trackpoint on the keyboard just seems like it would be so much better for me.

Pretty much the only other laptop in the running for me is the Dell Latitude E7440, it's pretty similar to the T440s and has actually buttons for the pointing stick, but I don't think it's out yet and the keyboard probably isn't as good (funnily enough, I have never owned a Thinkpad but I've used my friends' and the keyboard won me over, and way back in 1999 my dad's old Toshiba laptop used to have a pointing stick and I always wondered why other manufacturers got rid of it).

Edit: just checked the Dell subforum, turns out the E7440 is available in some capacity (maybe for special customers only) and it seems to be a bit more expensive than the T440s, so yeah, compared to the closest competitor the T440s is actually somewhat cheaper. *shrug*

Ah yeah, it's right here: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-e7440-ultrabook/pd

Just LOL at the prices, the base model doesn't even get you an i5-4200 or HD+ screen.

Oh wait, they include a 3 year warranty, not bad actually. If you add that to the Thinkpad it becomes more comparable.

 

oh my god, the expected delivery date is December 2nd. That's ridiculous. I regret so much that I follow this topic because I really expected the availability in September and I spend the first semester of the graduate school with a really old laptop, not being productive at all. I should have bought Razer Blade 14 in July....

 

You should have got the T440s yesterday when it came out. The shipping date was 11/19 and delivery was 11/26. You might as well get the rMBP instead of a Razer Blade.

 

What subject? Don't you have a desktop you can use? Can you really blame your productivity on your laptop?

 

i have one in Russia, not in U.S.

 

I'm looking for a quad-core machine with decent screen and GPU between 4lb and 5lb, so not quite the same market as you, but I'm also somewhat surprised by the pricing of the T440s (the T440p prices are slightly more reasonable IMO). Not sure what Lenovo's been smokin' to come up with list prices like that. We can only hope the discounts come thick and fast

I'm not considering a Mac because I'm too tied to Windows software, but the 13" MBP looks like a relative bargain compared to the T440s and if I were able to consider a Mac and did not want a loaded machine I'd be all over the little Apple bad boy (I used one at work and aside from constant OSX crashes I loved it!). The XPS13 looks nice but is more a competitor to the Macbook Air than the Pro so it compromises components for size (no 2.5" drive bay, for example. Sonys are all as overpriced as the T440s IMO. Not sure what else is out there on the same level.

The two machines I'm currently considering are a loaded T440p with FHD screen and the new Dell XPS15 or M3800, which offer essentially the same -- 37W quad-core, a better GPU than the T440p, a screen getting rave reviews, mSATA slot instead of a silly 42mm M.2, and a dual-fan cooling system that looks better than the T440p's. Of course, being Dells they also come with crummy keyboards and "soft touch" coatings that I hate

 

Silly 42mm M.2? mSATA is old and outdated. There is a reason the call M.2 NGFF (Next Generation Form Factor). Get use to the M.2 standard because all products will eventually start using it instead of silly mSATA.

 

Run Windows on the Mac.

Too bad Lenovo decided to cripple the M.2 slot by making it only SATA and not PCIe compatible (and only 42 mm.)

 

Silly because Lenovo's implementation is SATA (so is the same speed as a 6Gbs mSATA slot) and is 42mm so can never accept any high-capacity cards (mSATA cards go up to 500GB).

If Lenovo had given us a PCIe 80mm M.2 slot then it would not be silly

 

I think I can explain why they did choose the 42mm: The biggest improovement of M.2 over mPCIe is: The modules are now smaller, and they have more room inside the system (for battery for example, for additonal memory etc.). They only sell their machines with either small Cache SSDs or WWAN modules. Both does not need 80mm, I don´t even think that 80mm M.2 WWAN modules are available. There is no reason for them to go with 80mm, 80mm is mainly used for storage SSDs, so they are used in systems that only have these M.2 SSDs as their storage (so systems without 2.5"-slot).

The good thing is, 42mm SSDs are now coming slowly to the market.

 

"Slowly" is certainly correct! There's only one readily available right now with a capacity over 80GB aFAIK

Not sure why PC makers don't do more to push mSATA/M.2 slots as true second drives. Even the Dell XPS15/M3800, which his clearly aimed at multimedia professionals (amongst others), only offers a 32GB mSATA cache drive if you order the model with 2.5" drive and I'm sure plenty of buyers will right away rip out that 32GB card and stick in a 256GB or 512GB one to give themselves over 1TB storage on two drives

 

Anyone who's looking for a similar laptop but with a bit more horsepower should check out the U430p. It's an IdeaPad so it may cost less as well. Of course, there are certain tradeoffs. Supposedly it'll be released any day now.

IdeaPad U430p | Thin and Light 14" Laptops and Ultrabooks | Lenovo (US)

 

photo & review

Lenovo ThinkPad T440s - ca

 

Nice... they liked it better than the T440p

 

The Helix and X Carbon have been around awhile and have not gone down in price so do not expect any price change

 

Really, I find it highly unlikely any significant portion of users will want a dual drive system. I don't think M.2 is considered by Lenovo as a replacement for the ultrabay slot, more just something to speed up hard drive only configurations. As ibmthink said they're probably optimizing for size for average users and not flexibility for power users, although it's still more flexible than say a Macbook.

 

98% sRGB and 75% Adobe RGB with 600:1 Contrast. The rMBP has 100% sRGB and 75% Adobe RGP with 860:1 contrast (mobiletechreview)
I LOVE IT!!! The T450s should come with a 2560x1600 display.

 

I agree that it's great for average users and is fine in the T440s. My point was really more directed at something like the Dell XPS15 and a few other high-priced machines that are clearly aimed at power users yet still only use the slots for cache drives. I bet, for example, Lenovo only has 42mm M.2 slots in the W540, which IMO would be an opportunity lost.

And yes, Apple is not known for its flexibility so no surprise the MBP offers none. It'll make all those video editors go out and buy overpriced external drives from the Apple Store

 

ibmthink, what has your battery life been?

 

so i'm trying to see how much i'd need to spend on an additional dimm of ram if i was to buy my own 8gb.
would this be the ram i'd need for the T440s? Newegg.com - Computer Hardware, Memory, Laptop Memory, 204-Pin DDR3 SO-DIMM, DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800), 8GB

 

Yes.

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