T440s up on Lenovo website (IPS Screen, 1080p)

Good find, Ah Shelo!

 

I figured it might be something like that. If it turns out to be true that it has IPS, then it has really peaked my interest. The smaller screen size of the x230 is the only thing that was keeping me from getting that instead.

 

It seems it will have IPS or VA, either of which is far better than TN.

The 16:9 aspect ratio (vs 16:10 on my T410s and my gf's MacBook Air) is giving me doubts about whether I'll be happy with the panel.

 

The difference is IMHO not too large. Both ratios are widescreen, and you can get used to the 16:9 ratio very quickly.

 

The hardware maintenance manual shows the Ethernet port.
I also wish they had ditched VGA in favour of something more useful.

 

Interesting finding from Russian Lenovo Community at Lenovo ThinkPad

According to recent TPLCD.INF from ThinkPad Monitor INF File for Windows 8 (32-bit, 64-bit), 7 (32-bit, 64-bit) - ThinkPad Helix, Tablet 2, T440s, X240s there are two new screens in the list:

Googling those matrices finds nothing. I suppose, LEN40A3 goes to T440/T440s/T440p while LEN40B5 leans toward T540p/W540.

Gamut72 gets on the down side of this great finding -- color accuracy might be around X220/X230 IPS screens and thus far behind rMBP counterparts.

 

FYI

 

Have to disagree with you on this one Think. Granted, the higher resolution helps with screen real estate. But, I find the difference to be significant enough that it is a fairly large factor when I evaluate equipment.

 

Yeah, it's around 10%, and in the (vertical) direction that matters...

 

Those prices are quite reasonable!

EDIT: ignore the following line, apparently I didn't do a good job of researching this. The GT730 GPU doesn't make any sense since the performance is similar to the Intel 4400 in the CPUs (not taking into consideration thermal throttling when the CPU and integrated GPU are both solicited.)

Claimed battery life 50% less than a MacBook Air.

Intel seems to have N and AC versions of the 7260, not clear which one is included.

 

So, the whole "battery improvements" for the Haswell is just marketing bs, since they're putting (ultra)low voltage cpus anyway... and that's why we are seeing laptops with better screens, with higher resolutions since there is nothing else revolutionary about Haswell platform anyway...

 

!? What? The GT 730 is much more powerful than the HD 4400. See the benchmarks: Mobile Grafikkarten - Benchmarkliste - Notebookcheck.com Technik/FAQ

The HD 4400 has 698 Points in the 3DMark11 P GPU benchmark, the GT 730M has 1777 points. Thats nearly 3x times as powerful (!). And thats just a benchmark. In Games, the 730M is more powerful than the Iris Pro 5100 or the Quadro K1000M.

Well, if its the sRGB, yes, But if it is the AdobeRGB, than no.

 

I don't think it's the same panel though, as the 440s looks like it'll be FHD non-touch or HD+ touch. And the parts list shows:

04X0436 AUO 14.0"FHD AG
04X4043 Touch LCD ASM 0C00331
04X5379 Touch LCD ASM for 0C00331 Victory

Are those all of the displays?

S

 

Thanks, I stand corrected!

Here are more numbers from that site:

Intel HD Graphics 4400: 3DMark05 9783, 3DMark06 5621, 3dMark Vantage P GPU 2898, 3DMark11 P GPU 698, Cinebench R10 32bit OpenGL 6279, Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL 17.

Nvidia GeForce GT 730M: 3DMark05 16882, 3DMark06 10917, 3dMark Vantage P GPU 6586, 3DMark11 P GPU 1777, Cinebench R10 32bit OpenGL 6107, Cinebench R11.5 OpenGL 35.

 

Does Lenovo typically include a feature in BIOS to be able to select between the Intel and Nvidia graphics, especially since I don't see an "Intel only" graphics model?

 

The T420 (I think) and the T430 (definitely) use Optimus, so the nVidia card is disabled unless the GPU is needed. You can use Windows software to specifically enable or disable the GPU on a per-app basis, or disable it entirely.

I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember a BIOS setting too...

 

I need to know about it specifically in the BIOS, as it will be used for Linux, and I don't want to have to mess around with Bumblebee.

 

Well, I can't tell you about the T440s, but I'll reboot my T430 and check out the BIOS after my conference call ends (about an hour). I'd assume most Optimus BIOS integrations would be the same, but YMMV.

Edit - OK, maybe this will be faster -- here are screenshots of the BIOS settings. Looks like it does what you need, at least in the T410s...
http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?LegacyDocID=MIGR-76476

Let me know if you want me to check the bios anyway.

 

If you could check, that would be fantastic, just to make sure. No rush.

 

Lenovo T430s.

 

Fantastic. Thanks everyone for the help.

 

I just confirmed that selection of display card is in the T430 BIOS as well, but there's an interesting distinction: my BIOS menu has 3 options: Integrated, NVIDIA Optimus, and Discrete. I don't know if the ability to select Discrete is a difference in T430 vs. T430s, the BIOS version, or model of NVIDIA chip, but it's something to think about.

I kind of like the idea of being able to select all NVIDIA in case Optimus doesn't work and you want to run 3D-intensive apps.

I also have the "OS Detection for Switchable Graphics" (enabled/disabled) option that's shown in the Lenovo support article I linked, rather than the comment in the description stating you should only select Optimus for Win7 as shown in pjc123's screenshot.

These seem like things to look into if you're running Linux.

I'm running BIOS 1.16, dated 2012-05-25.

HTH.

 

I agree, the third option would be really nice. I suspect that the T440s will follow one of those two methods of BIOS selectability. Usually someone asks that question whenever a new laptop is released. I am definitely going to wait and see how the T440s pans out. To me the IPS screen and extended battery life is a huge upgrade.

 

ThinkPad T440s

Seems like there's something happening tomorrow

 

For the lazy
Google Translate
(See bottom of feature table)

ThinkPad T440s
Announcement date: August 6, 2013
Availability date: August 6, 2013

 

Just want to clarify. The screenshot says GT 730 and not GT 730M. I couldn't find that much information about it but it is pretty much comparable to intel integrated. Not good for gaming. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

What I've seen is reference to the die number: N14M-GS. Various places online show this as equivalent to the GT 730M, including this random place and the HP Pavilion M4 Service Guide (PDF) on page 9:

 

I hope your right because that would be a game changer.

Edit: I looked up videos for the 730M and they look very good. I find it hard to believe lenovo would put the 730M in this ultrabook, especially at the price points in the picture. I also read that the 730, which is a low end graphics card, is perfect for multiple 4K displays and that is something thinkpad users really like.

Edit 2: Ultrabooks with GT 730M under 1500 are around so I guess there is a good chance Lenovo will include this

 

GT 730 (without M) is for desktop PC.
GT 730M (M = Mobile) is for laptop.

It's definitely GT 730M.

 

And it's definitely a weak GPU . It's weaker than the HD 5200 and much more power hungry....cmon....

 

Benchmarks say nothing. I got myself a W500 because my X220 didn't have the graphics power to handle my favorite older games. Now on paper its HD3000 with dual channel RAM may be stronger, but in the end the mere fact that the FireGL 5700 is dedicated and has drivers way ahead of Intel makes it superior. I don't get any graphic glitches or bugs and the framerates are consistent. Not to mention you actually get to use AA.

So I'm pretty sure there is a reason why they chose even a simple dedicated GPU for he T440s.

 

Those thinking of buying as soon as this thing comes out might want to wait for reviews because the bottom-mounted speakers might be really bad...

I'm still waiting to find out if the caching mini-PCIe SSD can be replaced with a larger SSD to make it a dual-drive machine.

 

On-line chat with a Lenovo rep just now, was told it's still mid-September. Then again, that doesn't really mean anything positive or negative.

 

So, the price for the higher model will be somewhere around $2000?

 

The difference between the HD 3000 and 5000 is enormous, and not only because of power but also stability, features and much more. Even the HD 4000 is way better than HD3000 when it comes to support for older games. With Iris pro you can use AA but it won't scale the same way as nvidia or amd, which will result in slightly lower FPS, but it is still very close to 650M and 740M in most games.

 

On the lenovo website the T440s shows up with the info "Intel® HD graphics" in the overview. Same thing on other sites. The only place where I have seen information about discrete graphics is in the screenshot earlier in this thread with Geforce GT 730m.

Where is this screenshot from? Does anyone have any more info about this?

If it is true it would be the ideal laptop for me so I really want to know if it is worth waiting for...

 

The UK site also shows it as having Nvidia Optimus, but doesn't give the chip spec yet.

S

 

Oh I was looking there but could not find it. Where?

 

Don't Txx0 models always use Quadro NVS for dGPU?

 

http://www.hknotebook.com/nop/polyu-lenovo/pcs-info?pid=12
http://www.hknotebook.com/nop/polyu-lenovo/pcs-info?pid=13
http://www.hknotebook.com/nop/polyu-lenovo/pcs-info?pid=22
http://www.hknotebook.com/nop/polyu-lenovo/pcs-info?pid=23
These offers are for Hong Kong university students only, so the models that go on public may be different.

 

Go to ThinkPad T Series: Premium Laptops | Lenovo (UK)

Then scroll down to 'Compare Features' (i.e. across the T series) and expand the 'Displays & Graphics' section.

Having said that, it does show 'Multitouch Display Panel' as being standard on all models, which I don't think is the case.

S

 

Why not just look at the T431 reviews? It's virtually the same casing.

 

I would've thought yes, but maybe the form factor will be an issue. The mini SSD in the T440s is shown with a single, central fixing screw on the opposite side to the connector strip, whereas I thought most mSATA / mPCIe cards had two fixing screws: one in each corner on the opposite side to the connector strip.

Anyone know?

S

 

As any new ThinkPad, T440s don´t use mSATA/mPCIe slots. The new Haswell models rather use the new M.2 form-factor (42mm).

 

(Sorry to double post - edit function didn't seem to display correctly)

The Ericsson N5321 WAN card which can alternatively be specified in this slot (instead of the SSD) also has the single, central fixing screw.

S

 

Great - thanks.

Are there any actually shipping yet? (Apart from the 24GB Toshiba and LiteOn cards listed for the T440s).

A quick search on Amazon and Google and I can't find anything I can actually buy!

S

 

Yes, for example, the Crucial M500 is M.2. But the problem is: All M.2 SSD currently available are in the 80mm form-factor, but Lenovo uses the 42mm M.2 form factor, so at the moment, we are stuck with the 24 GB cache SSDs Lenovo offers.

 

Hmmmm....... I see Intel have some nice-looking drives available in August - up to 360GB in the M.2 form factor! Hang on, it's August now....


Capacity / Product Code / Product Description

80 GB / SSDSCKGW080A401 / 530 Series, 80 GB, MLC M.2

180 GB / SSDSCKGW180A401 / 530 Series, 180 GB, MLC M.2

360 GB / SSDSCKGW360A401 / 530 Series, 360 GB, MLC M.2


Thanks again for the input.

S

 

Ah. Pants.

S

 

When the heck is this thing coming out....? Obviously, they are already finished with the specs and are capable of manufacturing it. What are they waiting for? They are actually losing sales as people are being forced to buy something else. I'm so disappointed in how long they're taking. 2 different chat reps have told me that it will be available in October....