The Upcoming ThinkPad X230, X230i, T430, T430i, T530, T530i and W530?

yeh i hope thats wrong as i wont be buying anything without thunderbolt.

if they make me wait til next year i'll just pick up a mbp.

 

The NVS 5200M has that same 64-bit memory bus... again.

Given that Ivy Bridge ups graphics performance, I'm not so sure if discrete graphics are actually worth it.

 

I just hope lenovo will opt for the 5400M. Which I doubt it due to the higher cost...

 

I am not buying a machine without DisplayPort or Thunderbolt out. On the Ultrabooks that means mini DP or Thunderbolt.

 

Hah, Intel danced around USB 3.0. This year, it dances around Thunderbolt. This has been known for a few months.

How about IVB SP1? (People get excited about HD 2000, HD 3000, HD 4000, but they are all "SPs"!)

 

They can dance all they want but when people go and try to use a 27" LCD panel and can't drive it above 1920x1080, they aren't going to be happy. That is the current limitation in the Samsung Series 9 machines. I hope Lenovo isn't about to make the same mistake.

Apple on the other hand will drive whatever you have.

 

Then you can probably use a keyboard remapping program to get your Page Back and Page Forward (I did the opposite on my T420s).

John

 

I'm a bit confused though, will USB3.0 only be on the i7 series?

 

No, we will see it in all new ThinkPads.

 

Do we really need 4 different external buses? (USB3, eSata, ThunderBolt, ExpressCard)

 

eSATA will be no more and Thunderbolt wont exist in the new ThinkPads exept for the S430. So we will have 2 buses (USB 3.0 and Expresscard).

 

^^^ what about displayport?

 

I personally like mapping the keys next to the arrow keys to Home and End. If you use the arrow keys to navigate text a lot, its very helpful.

The point still stands though. PgUp/PgDn, Home/End, or Back/Forward, pick your favorite two. I personally would like all 3.

 

Displayport is not an I/O bus. Its a video-out only.

 

How on earth do you know that? If you really DO know that, you certainly aren't authorized to say that here.

 

Any new info on the W530 upgrade?

 

I was just wondering if it will continue in ivy bridge thinkpads.

 

Display port, in the form of mini-display port, I think will be available on the T430u Lenovo Thinkpad T430u ultrabook hands on preview at CES 2012 - YouTube mentioned at 2:10 in the video.

 

Guess I'll be holding onto my Acer longer than I thought I would.

 

Kinda obvious from what we know so far.. indeed only the S430

 

Sorry, I've been busy. How is this obvious? Did Lenovo announce something?

 

T430u looks like a really awesome machine for business people. I hope the screen (is it anti-glare 1600x900?) is as good as it appears on youtube.

Such laptops are the type of hardware Lenovo should be pushing to market ASAP. For people who go to conferences, meetings, travel a lot etc it may become a very interesting proposition, slick and convenient design at a reasonable price.

Now if only they could add a touchscreen to this beauty ...

 

Do T430u support mSATA?

 

so far I'm still leaning to the S430

 

There is an old (Jan 2012) article here that says the following:

So it looks likely that it will support mSATA.

The screen resolution info is dubious though. I have big doubts that a 14" laptop will ship with 1366x768 resolution. It can't be that bad, can it?

If they do, I don't know what to think of it any more. Is it geek humor or what? Does Lenovo always try to manufacture the best laptop and then adds a single really, really big screw-up on top of that?

 

The bigger picture is whether or not it has an option for a higher resolution screen.

 

I'm not really exited about the T430u Ultrabook if it will look like the one in the video from CES 2012.
The screen should be 1600x900 matte I've read, but the bezels?
You could fit 15 inch screen in it, ti looks really ugly. And the glossy surface around the keyboard(same as on the EDGE series 2011) makes me vomit.

But for example Asus Zenbook should have 1920x1080 IPS screens this year and other ultrabooks have thin screen bezels as well. So hopefully market mechanism will work and Lenovo will realize that this is the wrong way.
I bet that if you would take 20 random thinkpad users they would have designed better product.

 

I think the first round of (true) ultrabooks(tm) will be marketed around the exterior design, CPU power, battery life and novelty factor.

Then they could focus on screens for the 2nd round. As it was linked above, it's already in the pipe. Apple will probably lead with that (c.f. retina stuff, ipd3) but once Win8 can scale to high resolution ultbraboks will follow.

Conveniently, significantly higher resolution needs more CPU/GPU power, thus requiring platform updates, and the circle of life can continue.

 

Well, Asus's ZenBook Primes both have IPS 1080P screens in 11.6 and 13.3" form-factors...pretty amazing! They will be available very soon and have already been released officially.

 

Those you low power model cpus and those are not yet available from what I know

 

The IVB Zenbooks have only been shown off at a conference, not officially released. They are supposed to be using the i7-3517U. The release date is rumored to be June.

 

They will probably use those i5 and i7 ULV CPUs, but I've seen some test of Ivy bridge cpu and they had higher temperatures and power consuption than Sandy bridge. Hopefully Intel will solve this out, it reminds me the problems with sandy bridge last year.

 

Does someone really want a 1920x1080 native resolution screen in a 13.3" size?

Unless you plan to run an OS that understands the implications, you are going to need to run Windows at 125% or more DPI.

Can't wait to see if retina screens really happen on the Macs.

 

*raises hand*

If you've ever seen the Sony Vaio Z's 1920x1080 panel (13.1"), it's simply brilliant.

 

I mean look at the new iPad, 2048x1536 in a 10" LCD, pretty amazing. 1080p in the Z is kinda overwhelming, maybe it's my vision but 1080p on 15" already gives me a headache (brand new Eurocom Clevo rebrand with 1080p 15.6" LCD).

 

Yeah, screen resolution is an extremely subjective matter. I have no problems with FHD on a 15" monitor, and the one time I saw it on the Vaio Z, I thought it was perfectly usable for extended computing. My vision isn't good, and I wear contacts.

 

isnt 125% (120) dpi standard for 1080p screen at 15"?

i have a T61 and my 15" has 1680x1050 and i cannot run winxp at default 96dpi settings, everything is way too small. i have to run 120 dpi

 

Definitely! Even on the 11" one!
Could be the deciding factor for me, coming from a 1440x900 X200s.
Of course a 1600x900 or higher X230 would still be my dream machine because of the Thinkpad design and robustness.

 

the retina display works by simply doubling the resolution but keeping the actual dpi the same afaik. so the actual size of any image is the same as 1024x768 on the 10", but the image/text looks better because more pixels are used

 

I'm just GLAD screens are becoming a centerpiece of the discussions because the Lenovo ThinkPad screens have been so mediocre for the past few years. If the competition ups their game, Lenovo will HAVE to respond or lose share.

 

^^^ +1

I don't understand why many people get stuck with the notion that high-resolution screen equals tiny fonts (and big headaches)!

 

Any rumors about HD bay of X230: is it still going to be slim 7mm or the classic 9.5mm?

 

Given Lenovo doesn't refresh the chassis til at least 2nd iteration, my bet is it will still be 7mm. Not like it matters, alot of SSDs can have a shim removed to become 7mm.

 

Hm yes, but doesn't that void the warranty? I'm eyeing the Samsung 830 and might go for that one for compatibility with potential X230 or T430u.

 

The Samsung comes as a 7 mm drive, so that'll work out well. The Intel drives have a shim, and although Intel has said that removing it does void the warranty, there are no warranty stickers of any sort, so it isn't really a problem. Not sure about other SSDs, though.

 

Two things that would make me upgrade my X220T:
Higher resolution display
Ability to drive 3 displays

 

Thanks! I am thinking that at the moment, it might just be worth spending extra $20 or so on Samsung 830 instead of some other drive (I am looking at Crucial M4) and gambling with the possibility that the manufacturer rejects the warranty if they notice I was unscrewing it.

 

Is there any chance that X230 or T430s will have the new 35W 3612QM quad as option?

 

That's all software's doing. It has nothing to do with the display itself.

 

Another note on the Nvidia graphics: It's definitely still 40nm Fermi. Each SM of Kepler has four times the shaders of Fermi, and given that the NVS 5200M has 96 shaders instead of the 192 standard in each SM of Kepler, it's Fermi.

Bit of a disappointment on that front, but I suppose Ivy Bridge graphics will suit most non-gamer needs just fine.