I finally meet my S430.![]()
Gonna add extra HDD, install W8, etc. during the weekend, after I finish some work. And then post photos of the whole operation.![]()
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So far, I'm missing the fingerprint reader to "turn on" the machine, Dolby, wireless manager and System Update.
Anybody knows how to be sure SSD cache is working???
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3) if your not going to be using the graphics card then i would recommend switching it off. I heard the s430 is using an older chip which is more power hungry.
installing an SSD will save on battery life over the HDD, they have come down a lot in price. What you can also do is turn your old HDD into a portable HDD with an adapter on ebay which are dead cheap, like £10 (but you can spend more) Sumvision Egem FX USB3.0 2.5" SATA Hard Disk Drive Enclosure | eBay
turning off devices you wont be using in device manager may save battery life (for example only turn optical drive/WWAN on when you need it, not 100% on this tip though.. try it out?)
keep processes as small as possible, the laptop last longer if it needs to power less. keep screen brightness as small as possible, dont keep background applications going when they are not being used etc.
be kind to your battery, read up about prolonging your battery life. for example make sure you give it a full drain and then recharge every once in a while.
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I just bought my s430. The i7 model without wwan / graphics or a msata SSD.
Im wondering weather to get a 120GB mSATA SSD to go along side the HDD or just replace the HDD with a 240GB SSD. The problem with the first is the loss of battery life, but then with the second i sacrifice storage. Im thinking go with the first and then turn the HDD on/off in device manager as i need it? would that work? -
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There's no need to do the DVD method, an mSATA drive works perfectly unless you really need the 3G modem option.
However that said normal SATA drives are much cheaper, albeit sandforce ones.
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2) Yes the graphics chips is the older 40nm Fermi but it also more powerful than the 28nm version, but nvidia optimus does a good job that, I don't even notice the battery life get longer if I disable the nVidia in bios. Anyway I need the chip more for CUDA than anything else.
3) Actually installing an SSD does not automatically mean better battery life. If you compare my mSATA crucial m4 with the stock 500GB Hitachi Travelstar Z7K500.
Crucial M4 (mSATA) 128GB average power usage:
Hitachi Travelstar Z7K500 500GB average power usage:
credit: Storagereview.com
btw I checked these values on a couple of other review sites, they're pretty much in the same ballpark.
It's actually a common misdemeanour that an SSD give you longer battery life, it's not necessarily the case, Hard Disks are actually very efficient when they are spun up. It's mostly a placebo effect.
What an SSD does is actually allows you to make the most of your available battery life, it is so much faster that you might be able to get your tasks completed in less time.
4) Disabling what in Device manager exactly, I can't think of anything. The optical disk drive uses virtually no power when not in use.
And wifi&bluetooth can easily be disabled through pressing f9 on the keyboard.
I suggest leaving it alone in case you muck it up.
Lower the amount of processes is always good, however lenovo is actually quite good in regards to junkware, there's really only norton, browser toolbars and sugarsync(personally use dropbox).
Over than the lenovo think suite the laptop is pretty much stock windows.
I've installed quite a bit of programs already and well my SSD still boots me up in 20 seconds.
Background applications should always be closed when not in use, this frees up ram.
OK here's the unrealistic bit you've suggested, turn the screen to lowest brightness and turn wifi off, this is exactly how manufactures measure battery life (apart from apple).
Now no one is going to be using a screen that dark especially in light environments.
And wifi helps with mobility. It's not always convenient to use ethernet.
Apple has sort of nailed the battery life balance, they measure their's by browsing popular websites over wifi at half brightness, this should be the way forward. Since all PC manufactures use mobilemark 2007, at lowest brightness, this is as effective as typing an essay in notepad.
As a rule of thumb whenever you see battery life measured with mobilemark 2007 divide it by 2 to get a ballpark figure for usable battery life. I can't vouch for mobilemark 2012 though since no manufacture uses it yet. (Probably not until next year)
As the S430 was measured with mobile mark and is advertised as having 6 Hours battery life, it realistically only has 3 Hours of battery life which shows in my tests.
I get around 3-4 hours but rarely over, this is me using wifi, screen at 3/4 brightness and using nvida optimus, I was generally on youtube and browsing websites.
By the way lenovo's battery manager does not allow the laptop to be charged over 96% as standard. This is to prolong the life of the lithium ion cells. It is actually recommended that you charge the battery to 80 percent full and then use the laptop, then start charging up the laptop again from 20%. This actually significantly improves cell life.
5) Yes get something free since window 7's firewall is actually adequate. I use panda cloud antivirus since it's very light, it also catches most things, not that you should be catching things in the first place. AVG in my opinion has become bloated over the years.
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Other user comments for people who might be on the lookout;
- Keyboard is pretty awesome
- Screen frame and lid do collect dust and fingerprints quite easily
- CAPS lock doesn't have a keyboard light, but there is a large icon which hovers in the corner of screen (easily visible) for several seconds when you toggle
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Is to charge the battery to 80% full.
Then you have to start charging the Battery from 20% to be optimal.
My review should have covered your bullet points, please go read it if you have time.
Remember SSDs don't actually make your battery life better, it just enables you to make the most of it. Since it doesn't actually use less power. Look at the graphs above. -
Now both have the plastic membrane as the spill resistance, (no channels for water to flow out as found in other thinkpads)
Both are not backlit.
They however do differ in colour, instead of the red on the Edge it's blue on the t430u instead.
From my understanding they are essentially exactly the same, screw hole locations may differ though.
In my mind it's a waste of money considering you're not going to get better typing experience on it nor are you going to gain any extra features.
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Sorry I wasn't able to post this earlier. Too much work to do...
Anyway... I just received my S430 last week. Removed the DVD-RW tray and added a Seagate 1TB. Added 4GB of RAM. Fresh-installed Windows 8 x64 RTM. As stated before, I don't need to much battery live. So I can't talk to much about it. Sorry. Anything you want to know, just ask.
The goods:
- It's a little bit lighter than my previous E420S.
- The mate screen is flawlessly. Is more brilliant than previous one.
- Resolution is superb. It really helps in my work. I would even go for higher resolution tough.
- USB connectors are well placed, located both on the right and the left of the computer.
- Keyboard is superb. Really. Even better than E420S's keyboard.
- Fingerprint reader location is better than E420S's.
- Optimus implementation is better than ATI's.
- It doesn't get *TOO* hot.
- It seems pretty sturdy.
- It's not noisy at all.
- SSD cache works insanely fast. Boots up W8 in a few seconds.
The bad:
- Mini-HDMI is not well placed, located on the right side and too way to the front. Whenever HDMI is plugged in, it will be messing with your mouse or other connections.
- "Top" hinged screens (like E420S's) seems better to me. They are more comfortable since the screens proyects higher.
- Two USB ports are way too few.
- Some W8 drivers and utilities are still missing (*). Even when S430 is advertised as "Windows 8 compatible".
*: ONLY under Windows 8:
- Lenovo Utilites doesn't work.
- SSD Cache works sometimes, sometimes not.
- Dolby doesn't work.
- Single fingerprint logon doesn't work.
- Two devices are not being identified.
Attached photos of the modifications carried on. They are high res taken with Nokia PureView.
Bottom line is: I will stick with this notebook. Is awesome. Maybe next year there will be a X1 Carbon with 2TB SSD and then I will move onto it.Attached Files:
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3)oh i was unaware of this, thank you for the graphs!
4) I did say I was not 100% on this tip and something he could try to squeeze some more life out of the laptop. I was not sure if when some of the devices are not in use they idle and consume some power. If you had an SSD + HDD then you could try disabling the HDD unless you need access to your files (unless the laptop does power down the hard drive when not in use). Its pretty hard to muck anything up in device manage just right click "disable" and then right click "enable".
5) When i said "screen brightness as small as possible" I meant as small as possible in the situation, not as small as the laptop will let you go. in a dark room dont have it at 100% for example. -
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But you can get any caddy from China for a couple of bucks. You just have to check it fits AD-7940H | Sony Optiarc
Of course, you will have to "adapt" the front plastic cover, because the Lenovo cover is not the original one since is curved. I don't think any chinese provider has that kind of front cover. -
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NVIDIA's drivers have always been better than ATI/AMDs, I had a ATi radeon X1600 pro back in the day and it was a decent card, although drivers were sometimes iffy, it also slowed down my PC to hell. (Thanks Catalyst Control Centre). After that I bought an NVIDIA Geforce GTS 250 which was not only more powerful but had much better and reliable drivers from my experiance.
Optimus is actually more mature than AMD's solution so I'd give AMD a few more years to catch up. I found that turning optimus off didn't really help battery life that much, so I left it on.
Idle temps for me are quite high, however it doesn't seem to go past 85 degrees Celsius under load. So I guess lenovo just needs to redo their fan control since under 100% load for both CPU and GPU doesn't cause the fan to go berserk, it stays relatively quiet which was the wrong compromise.
The case however does get quite warm after use as I've noticed, so it's actually best to use it on a hard surface.
I can testify that I get around 4 Hours of useful battery life when using wifi to go on youtube .etc Around half brightness.
Part of me feels that I should have bought the ASUS zenbook UX32VD since the ULV i7 CPU turboboosts to the same level as the i5 in my S430 hence they perform on par. Heck they even use the same 620m 40nm fermi GPU.
Nice you put windows 8 on your PC. Personally I have one glaring issue with Windows 8 that puts me off. There's no integration between Metro and Desktop mode for example, say if you opened up an email in outlook (metro app) and copy some data that your boss gave you. You cannot paste that data in say a excel/word document when you're in desktop mode. (Don't know if this has been fixed since the consumer preview)
It doesn't feel like a complete OS in my opinion yet, I specifically bought a laptop now to avoid windows 8. It also feels that it's much better suited for a tablet, I may just end up getting the microsoft surface tablet.
As low as possible insinuates the lowest brightness your laptop screen can go. Another thing Lenovo uses PWM backlighting, it flickers at lower light levels. Some people may be more susceptible than others vice versa.
Now I have no Idea why Lenovo used PWM back lighting since a voltage/current controller is cheaper and more efficient.
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For me, it works just fine. Very fast, stable, some nice feats. I'd love it to have more Skydrive and Windows Phone 7.5 integration. Not yet. I guess with Windows Phone 8. -
I still don't feel windows 8 complete without a touchscreen. I am only really comfortable with it on a touch device.
However after learning pretty much the basics again, I can just say that you can treat the metro bit as a glorified start menu.
But it is deceptively hard to do some things for the fist time.
I'm only going to run windows 8 inside a virtual machine since I need to start developing some metro apps since that's what the average consumer is going to use the most.
I still haven't received the upgrade offer yet although I'm approved for an upgrade. I guess I'll have to wait until it officially comes out next month and Lenovo should by then have drivers for windows 8.
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I also installed it for development purposes... Running W8 RTM in virtualised environment? Good luck with that my boy. With W7 has host, W2k8 or ESX <5, it's impossible.
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The t430u has the F1 to F12 Keys how it ideally should be realized. The actual multi-media function is signed as a sub function of the key.
I hope aswell that the keyboard has non-glossy spaces between the keys because they are horrible to clean and look (in my opinion) cheap.
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I agree with you that the gloss looks cheap. A friend of me mine has a E520 and it looks just horrible. -
In my opinion don't waste money on it.
But I have to say the S430 is a fingerprint/grease and dust magnet, I've personally given up on cleaning it. This isn't a real problem on a real ThinkPad since only the outer case is rubberised, the inside is not. Unfortunately on the S430 the whole thing is rubberised.
I agree that the gloss makes the device look cheap but you have to remember you bought an Edge, Lenovo wan't you to really buy it's real thinkpads.
I just want to get rid of the S430 glossy screen bezel, there's already fine scratches on it. However there's no substitute for it at the moment unless I take the time and matte it myself, either by spray painting it or sanding it with 1200 Grit wet and dry paper. But I'll wait until my warranty runs out in a years time. -
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Hello everybody, need some help here:
I´ve installed Windows 7 Ultimate X64 on the Crucial C4 mSATA drive using the drivers provided in \SWTOOLS\.
Everything works fine with two exceptions:
1. Whe I connect my WD USB 3 1TB 2,5" My Passport Essential external HDD following happen:
- The unlocker drive shows and I start "unlock.exe" and provide my password
- The encryped drive open
- If I access my files the explorer stop responding until I unplug the HDD. Same happens on both USB ports. No problems on any other computer.
I´ve installed the WD software and drivers and the HDD firmware is up to date.
2. I used a bluetooth MS Notebook Mouse 5000. Works very fine several days. On one day the device stops working suddenly. From that day I wasn´t able to pair any bluetooth mouse again. The Laptop just didn´t find the device anymore.
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First does it work on another PC? Or did it work before you did a fresh install.
1.) Try booting windows in safe mode and then see if you can access the drive.
2.) Disable any antivirus software .etc temporarily and see if it crashes
3.) Try Disabling USB 3.0 in bios and see if it crashes in USB 2.0 mode.
4.) I assume all your drivers are up to date if not update them.
5.) Remove the password encryption and see if you can copy files too and from the HDD.
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For your bluetooth mouse try this step from Microsoft themselves:
I think the easy option at this point is reinstalling windows again.
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I personally have done the same thing as you did, I put a crucial m4 msata in my s430, but I didn't install windows from scratch I just used my recovery USB to put Lenovo's factory windows on it. I then disabled a few options and it's perfect, no crashes and whatnot.
Personally I don't like any of the software that hard drive manufactures provide since from my experience it's slow, buggy and doesn't work as you want it to.
I've had huge issues with WD smartware in the past and currently Seagate's Dashboard (need it for my NAS drive, but it's slow and buggy)
Instead of using WD's smartware use truecrypt or something.
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Hey everybody
I received my s430 last week with the 128gb ssd and dvd drive.I am looking for a caddy to add another hdd and the link mentioned here by CharlyAR does not ship so new zealand so my question is will this caddy fit the s430 2nd HDD SSD hard drive Caddy For LENOVO Thinkpad T430s T430si T420s T420si | eBay and how hard is it the replace the dvd drive with this caddy ?
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One more thing, tough... I believe Lenovo is actually selling the caddy in NZ/AU. Did you look for it? -
PD: I believe this will fit and is cheaper.
SATA to SATA 2nd HDD HD HARD DRIVE 9.5mm Universal Caddy CD/DVD-ROM Optical Bay | eBay
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A nice and thorough review has been made recently: http://www.kitguru.net/laptops/zardon/lenovo-thinkpad-edge-s430-review/all/1/
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I am on the edge of buying this laptop. The only concern I have, is the heat that all the reviews talk about. Do any of you owners mind share if you experience the heat, this laptop generates, as a concern in daily office use?
Thanks in advance!
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Heat has not been a problem for me at all. I use a desk and a pretty cheap cooling pad, only times I notice anything is occasionally after a while if I have it on my lap - but never anything like feeling heat coming up through the keyboard, etc. I would describe it as warm anyway - not hot, compared to my old laptop - a HP dv6000, which literally may explode or catch fire at any moment.
my minor issues with the S430:
- USB ports- odd spots - right near the front of the keyboard and only 2 of them - it can get a bit weird using a mouse with a USB plugged in on the right
- Fn key in the bottom left of the keyboard - I think I need to switch this with Ctrl - as I press the wrong key about 50 times a day...
- I have noticed a beep - which occurs fairly frequently while typing - if anyone wants to point out or guess at what it is, I'd love to know. I am sure it's something stupid like pressing Fn and H at the same time or something retarded.
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I own a i5+8GB+GT620+ODD model. I use it almost every day, both for my work and entertaining, since is almost the only thing I carry around with me.
Regarding the temperature, I didn't have any issue. I've used it in Catalonia (Spain) and near Brazil, both with high env. temperatures without any issue. I must say I don't hit the video card TOO much, some random gaming only. But I do hit the disks and processor quite a lot. One thing to notice, is that I use to watch movies and it doesn't "burn" my legs, like others previous laptops did. Also, when I'm installed somewhere, I'm using it with the Microsoft Cooler Pad, which is portable and works quite well.
For me, it's a great laptop, VERY comfortable and stable, a nice screen and nice built too. I'd love it to have more battery (it lasts maximum 2.5 hours at normal use and 5 in "reading mode"). And a higher resolution screen. But AFAIK, this is the best you can get these days.
- I have to agree regarding the USB ports: it only have two, and they are in some odd locations.
- The FN key at the left is, as usually, stupid. Is the first thing I modify in the bios whenever I get a Lenovo. Along with removing the annoying trackpoint rubber.
- I didn't got any "beep". Uh?
- I bougth a ORICO H4928-U3. It works pretty well, tough is a little big.
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I just received the first Windows 8 update: Lenovo LCD screen driver. Looks like they're starting to release the final Windows 8 (x64) drivers. Nice!
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Some drivers has been released for Windows 8: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/research/hints-or-tips/detail.page?&DocID=HT074005.
ThinkAdvantage ( ThinkVantage Technologies downloads) software still missing tough.
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Some drivers has been released for Windows 8: http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/research/hints-or-tips/detail.page?&DocID=HT074005.
ThinkAdvantage ( ThinkVantage Technologies downloads) software still missing tough.
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Since I have now had this notebook for almost 2 months now, I can really tell you what the downsides/ upsides are.
The good:
Over the course of 2 months I have found that the keyboard is good, in fact it is a million times better than Apple's Desktop Keyboard (Aluminium one).
It's so good using a matte screen again since I don't have to deal with glare now.
Microphone quality is quite decent when used over skype
Camera quality is somewhat passable
SSD still makes things quick
It is an overall quiet machine.
Main chassis rigidity and quality is good considering it's made out of metal.
The metal hinges are also very good, it is quite stiff and I don't encounter any noticeable screen wobble.
The notebook is light, at 1.8 KG it is a very nice to carry around in a bag.
The Bad:
Battery life realistically for me is about 3-4 Hours, this includes a mix of Microsoft word, web browsing and youtube, all this is done whilst on wifi.
The glossy bezel is warped so now there's a wear mark on my trackpad.
The glossy bezel has now got many scratches.
The thing attracts fingerprints and natural oils too well - it needs cleaning too often.
Screen rigidity is poor, it is easy to flex and well there's keyboard marks across my screen now (although it wipes off)
Graphics performance is worse than the zenbook UX32VD because Lenovo gimped the 620m in the S430. [Zenbook 625 MHz vs EDGE s430 475 MHz]
Lenovo should have used nvidia 630m or at least a 640m LE.
Certain areas feel warm after a while, fan vents and hard drive area since the metal chassis conducts heat rather than insulate it, plus the CPU idles quite high at 50°C.
For me there aren't enough USB ports, I usually need 3 rather than the 2 lenovo ships the laptop with.
Screen's PWM flickering is still noticeable to me hence I do not like using this notebook at its lowest brightness - the minimum for me is 5.
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Has anyone tried to overclock nvidia's core clock back to the 625 MHz? I have no luck with MSI Afterburner and NVTweak.
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Ok, another very strange thing:
After installing a BIOS update, I´ve noticed the DVD drive is not working anymore.
I can´t even boot from a disk. But I´ve used the drive in the past to install the OS.
Now the drive just open and when inserting a disk start rotating. But thats all... imgburn say "no device".
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I am planning to buy a Thinkpad Edge s430 next month, but i have got two questions before:
1. Can I remove he dvd drive to get a second hdd?
2. Egpu has anyone tried that yet?
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the top row of pixels on my s430 is off set 2 to the left. You have to look very close but i have noticed it and now it is really bugging me! Could some people please check their laptops and tell me if they have the same issue. I sent it back and it took a MONTH and the new laptop has the same issue.
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Thank you so much!
ThinkPad Edge S430 Lounge
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