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    ThinkPad X1, X230, X230t, T430, T430s, T530, W530, L430, L530 Official

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by Andrew Baxter, May 15, 2012.

  1. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    Intel HD Graphics 4000 - Notebookcheck.net Tech

    Right under a 550v, 4650M, my bad a typo. But it's still benchmarked faster than a 4200M, and everyone knows it is a weaksauce dGPU. And performance to wattage ratio, Intel beats everyone else..
     
    Tsunade_Hime, May 31, 2012
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  2. Syllogistic

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    Engadget's review of the X230 is also up -- obviously an embargo has dropped: Lenovo ThinkPad X230 review -- Engadget

    They like it. They seem to think the keyboard is good compared with other notebooks, but they do say those used to the traditional Thinkpad keyboard may have some issues with it. Supposedly the mechanism is more rigid than the traditional keyboard.
     
    Syllogistic, May 31, 2012
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  3. Andrew Baxter

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    yeah, embargo was midnight tonight, expect a lot of reviews to show up. Looks like Dana's conclusion is the same as Zaz. Long time users of ThinkPads will have some turbulence to get through in getting fully adjusted to the keyboard. No surprises there. But if you can forgive Lenovo or simply adjust quickly, there's a lot left to like.
     
    Andrew Baxter, May 31, 2012
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  4. Jayayess1190

    Jayayess1190 Waiting on Intel Cannonlake

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    Funny to see in lots of the tests with Ivy Bridge ULV's, the X230 is beating them in battery life.

    Laptop Mag
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    Jayayess1190, May 31, 2012
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  5. Syllogistic

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    Do you know (or can you say) if the same is true of all the new Thinkpads or just the X230? Would like to see some reviews of the W530 and T530 too, and I thought they were supposed to release on the same day.
     
    Syllogistic, May 31, 2012
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  6. MidnightSun

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    From Engadget:
    Interesting, I thought the chassis was basically untouched. Wonder where the extra quarter inch was shaved off of.
     
    MidnightSun, May 31, 2012
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  7. ZaZ

    ZaZ Super Model Super Moderator

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    The X230 is three pounds and 1" thick with the four-cell battery, and 3.6 pounds and an 1.25" thick with the nine-cell battery. Just like the X220. I'm staring at them right now. They're exactly the same.
     
    ZaZ, May 31, 2012
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  8. MidnightSun

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    I suspected as much. Looks like Engadget got thrown off by the 9-cell versus 4-cell specs :p
     
    MidnightSun, May 31, 2012
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  9. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    Ya it's the same chassis, adunno how they came to that conclusion. :confused: :confused:
     
    Tsunade_Hime, May 31, 2012
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  10. Thors.Hammer

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    What do you expect from those mac fanboys? Attention to detail? Right
     
    Thors.Hammer, May 31, 2012
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  11. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    well ThinkPads are not for games. The real bonus of this graphics card is the three screen support and the lower TDP.
     
    lead_org, May 31, 2012
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  12. PatchySan

    PatchySan Om Noms Kit Kat

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    Don't know if anyone come across it but Notebook Check also did a detailed review of the X230 unit too.
     
    PatchySan, May 31, 2012
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  13. moogleassassin

    moogleassassin Notebook Consultant

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    drat - those temps look VERY toasty :(

    Andrew/Zaz - or anyone else that has the X230 - can you confirm those temps from the chassis when idle and also when under load?

    Personally I am looking for the X230T so the actual temps of the X230 may be different. I have just compared the temps using Notebookreview's reviews for the X220 and X220T and the tablet version is slightly cooler - but I just don't understand how pretty much a 10degree temp jump over the majority of the chassis is justifiable considering they have added an additional vent.

    Sadly I think if those temps are the same on the X230T I *might* have to look elsewhere - its just too hot :( I'm reserving judgement until other reviews/feedback appear specifically for the X230T ofc...
     
    moogleassassin, May 31, 2012
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  14. lenardg

    lenardg Notebook Evangelist NBR Reviewer

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    ZaZ says right side is powered usb3, other reviews say its only usb2. Which one is the truth?
     
    lenardg, May 31, 2012
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  15. erik

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    there are only two USB 3.0 channels on the X230, both of which are on the left side.   the yellow port on the right side is 2.0.
     
    erik, May 31, 2012
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  16. OCM

    OCM Notebook Geek

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    Well I spoke to a Lenovo Rep a few days ago and he said the T430 goes on sale Monday June 4th. I'd like to see a review of the unit before I purchase it though
     
    OCM, May 31, 2012
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  17. dawn

    dawn Notebook Consultant

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    Andrew/ZaZ: Can any of you please confirm or refute the following claim made in the NotebookCheck review of X230?

    Judging just from the pictures I can't discern any difference - chassis of both models appear exactly the same to me. :confused:
     
    dawn, May 31, 2012
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  18. Kaso

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    Forgive them. Those reviewers are as dense as machined aluminum body.
     
    Kaso, May 31, 2012
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  19. shazam26

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    Anyone know when the T530 would be live? I have seen posts for x230 and someone mentioned June 4th for T430.

    where is the love for T530 :)
     
    shazam26, May 31, 2012
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  20. Nrbelex

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    From ZaZ, earlier (emphasis added)...

     
    Nrbelex, May 31, 2012
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  21. Bronsky

    Bronsky Wait and Hope.

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    Yes ... I do. At least for my workplace needs. I use my Acer 3820TG as a mini workstation to edit and assemble aerial images, GIS documents and large databases of PDF's created from scanned documents, which are essentially graphical images of documents. I keep it at maximum overclock all the time for smooth performance.

    Most notebook/workstations are far too large, bulky and heavy to be portable enough for serious travel and remote work (even my Acer stays on the desk most times in favor of my 1.5 lb slate). When it does travel, I need something small and thin enough to fit in my briefcase. I don't carry a notebook bag. :cool:

    There are also the demands of large presentations, which I and many professionals use routinely. I think the idea that business uses are limited to traditional "office programs" is largely a thing of the past and more and more, some mobile professionals need both CPU and GPU power.

    Although I agree that the HD4000 will suffice for many professionals, it does not suffice for all business users. I wasn't talking about most users, I was saying that there is still a difference between integrated and dedicated GPUs and that a significant number of users still need powerful dedicated GPUs.

    With offices going paperless and more graphical images finding their way into files and presentation folders, there is ever more demand being made on mobile business units. My point was, that the dedicataed GPU is not dead nor irrevelant in this modern business environment and that there is still a distinction between integrated graphics and dedicated GPUs for a number of us. I hope that the designers don't forget us when designing small, light, portable enterprise class ultrabooks.
     
    Bronsky, May 31, 2012
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  22. XX55XX

    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    Pity Lenovo sent no reviewers a T430s...
     
    XX55XX, May 31, 2012
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  23. Nrbelex

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    I'll likely be buying and reviewing one in the next few weeks. No promises on a date though.
     
    Nrbelex, May 31, 2012
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  24. ibmthink

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    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    I hope the T430s has an option for a IPS display! I would pay an extra $100 for it! Otherwise, the X230 doesn't look too shabby either, with the exception of the short palmrest and smaller screen.
     
    XX55XX, May 31, 2012
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  26. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Don't think any ips panels exist for 14" screens currently.

    Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk
     
    sgogeta4, May 31, 2012
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  27. Tsunade_Hime

    Tsunade_Hime such bacon. wow

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    I don't think this is going to be the norm, IGP is getting exponentially more powerful each generation and dGPU manufacturers know it. I know there are professionals that need power dGPU, but those people will buy a W520, or a M4600 or a Elitebook 8560W. dGPU will be at a point where it'll just output more heat, be less power efficient and there will be no point vs IGP. And from what I have seen for coders and most professionals in the IT field, IGP laptops is more than enough.

    Unfortunately the thin and light market will never get dGPU, you have to consider motherboard design, cooling, power consumption, it'll never fly. You'll get laptops like the ASUS UL30, ULV CPU with weak dGPU, there is no point because IGP will far surpass weak dGPU and has MUCH better performance to wattage ratio. If you want dGPU, buy a real laptop, seriously. A thin and light laptop will compromise cooling.
     
    Tsunade_Hime, May 31, 2012
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  28. MidnightSun

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    Yeah, I don't think one exists, for whatever reason. The new X1 Carbon's 14" 1600x900 display looks quite nice from the preliminary shots I've seen, and the HP Envy 14 Spectre's 14" 1600x900 display is great as well (Engadget commented on the wide viewing angles in its review, but noted that it's TN).
     
    MidnightSun, May 31, 2012
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  29. XX55XX

    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    Does anyone know if the new laptops are coming to Lenovo's education site on the same date as the regular website? If not, perhaps I might need to call Lenovo directly to haggle.
     
    XX55XX, May 31, 2012
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  30. cn_habs

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    Damn I am so sold on the X1 Carbon. When will reviewers receive their test units?
     
    cn_habs, May 31, 2012
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  31. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    X1C is very hot property right now. But the price for it will be very steep, for those whom can't afford it, there is also the T430u machine.
     
    lead_org, May 31, 2012
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  32. krooj

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    This. A thousand times. Lenovo should have been embarrassed to sell the T420s' panel.
     
    krooj, Jun 1, 2012
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  33. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    so whats the price on the x1c? 1500?
     
    Karamazovmm, Jun 1, 2012
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  34. lead_org

    lead_org Purveyor of Truth

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    maybe 2000 to 3000 dollars.
     
    lead_org, Jun 1, 2012
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  35. MidnightSun

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    In the US? I highly doubt it, if Lenovo is remotely sane. I'm guestimating around $1500 at launch, in the US.
     
    MidnightSun, Jun 1, 2012
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  36. cn_habs

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    I say 2000 in Canada and 3000 in Australia. :eek:

    Still, a 13' MBA with a 128 SSD is around 1200 so only TP fanatics would get the X1 Carbon if it goes for the 1500 range in the US.
     
    cn_habs, Jun 1, 2012
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  37. Bronsky

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    The Thinkpad is already the current version of the "Mount Blanc" type executive must-have accessory. I see more X220s and T420s' in conference rooms and board rooms than any other notebook. The only thing that even comes close is the IPad in a keyboard folio, which I can't understand at all.

    The X1C is sure to be the new must-have accessory. So, at least for executive suite types, price will be no object. I would expect that the $1,500 range for a base model would be correct.

    @Tsunade Hime - oddly enough there will be more than a few ultrabooks with decent power and DGPU. The Dell XPS 14 and new Gigabyte will have ULV IB processors and GT640M GPUs. I just don't think that the enterprise brands see the growing need for these type of business machines. I am considering an EGPU solution as soon as we get some decent business ultralights with Thunderbolt support. Hopefully, we'll see that in a future version of the X1C.
     
    Bronsky, Jun 1, 2012
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  38. ibmthink

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  39. Karamazovmm

    Karamazovmm Overthinking? Always!

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    that's got to be a joke

    are they thinking that they can do the x301 all over again?

    I understand the idea of halo products, however I never could see the potential of sales derived because of those.
     
    Karamazovmm, Jun 1, 2012
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  40. vinuneuro

    vinuneuro Notebook Virtuoso

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    X1 Carbon looks fantastic. Is the battery capacity any better than the X1? Dock?
     
    vinuneuro, Jun 1, 2012
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  41. Pseudorandom

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    I doubt 2kUSD+ will be its US price, but a lot of other countries have much more expensive notebooks and 2-3kUSD equivalent isn't as much of a stretch as it is here.

    Also, considering what ended up of the X30x and Reserve Edition, they don't really seem to like incredibly low volume halo products that much. The X1 wasn't overpriced at all for a premium 13 inch laptop.

    Widespread doesn't necessarily mean must have accessory. T420s and X220s are very common notebooks that are issued to people that need notebooks. Now if they had to jump through hoops to get it, then its probably the must have accessory.
     
    Pseudorandom, Jun 1, 2012
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  42. XX55XX

    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    Just got off the phone with a dude at Lenovo (oddly enough, judging by his Southern accent, it appears that Lenovo hasn't completely outsourced its phone operations to India). He says that they'll start taking orders for the new machines probably on Tuesday.
     
    XX55XX, Jun 1, 2012
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  43. danishh

    danishh Notebook Consultant

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    sounds about right, computex starts on the 5th (tuesday).
     
    danishh, Jun 1, 2012
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  44. ThinkRob

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    Lenovo's phone support (well... IBMs, sorta) is based in Atlanta, Georgia. It's been that way for a long time.

    Sales and pre-sales support is definitely non-US though.
     
    ThinkRob, Jun 1, 2012
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    idk, I've definitely had a few American sales folks when I've called
     
    webo, Jun 1, 2012
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    XX55XX Notebook Evangelist

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    I picked the sales option when I was prompted at the directory. The guy even encouraged me to call back on Tuesday and make an order via the phone.
     
    XX55XX, Jun 1, 2012
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  47. aadadams

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    Me too... Based out of NC!
     
    aadadams, Jun 1, 2012
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    Lenovo is intentionally holding out on the battery life which I don't think it's a good sign of things to come.
     
    cn_habs, Jun 1, 2012
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  49. pepper_john

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    my first notebook (a HP ) at work costs $7000. It was intended for my boss' boss but mistakenly placed on my desk, and he was grace enough not to take it back from me when the company found out several days later.
     
    pepper_john, Jun 1, 2012
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  50. the Duff

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    Any guesses as to wether the mSATA slots are SATA III yet?

    Wouldn't this just be a bios thing or is it hardware related?
     
    the Duff, Jun 2, 2012
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