ThinkPad X240

They ship them out overnight. I'll bet you have them in the morning.

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I hear this noise constantly, but the high pitch noise becomes more annoying when I install Windows for example, or when I do heavy multitasking (there are several fan noise levels...)
Notebookcheck says it does not make more noise than 33,7 db, in heavy load. I don't think my fan is doing more noise... But i can notice the slightly high pitch noise, even if I am almost used to it now

 

I purchased it from Lenovo... My Only AM upgrade is a 128GB M2 SSD.. I got the config with the Intel 4300 CPU + 4GB of ram + HD Screen..

Anyway, I like the light weight, small form factor with a usable keyboard, the screen has great viewable angles (which is also a curse), I can use it for ~20hrs in a week without charging it, I like the red stick mouse, and the dual bandwireless has been really nice.

It needs to be 42mm

I have one... Its fast, ~300MB read/write... I'm happy with it. I ditched the platter drive... my boot times are shorter (~7 seconds to desktop) and battery life slightly extended.

 

Why not make a recovery drive using a USB stick instead from the original HDD?

 

I did. After booting from the USB Stick (it's a 32 GB Memory card in a usb reader) it errors out when attempting to reset the machine with the SSD installed.

 

Any chance one of you gentlemen can pop a Linux disto of your choice onto a USB drive? I haven't used Windows in a good 8 months, when I pick up my X240, a new SSD gets inserted and Linux gets scratch installed. I'm curious though...

(I'd also be interested in hearing where you guys picked up your SSD's from and what you paid.)

 

The only problem you could have is Secure Boot. If your distro is Ubuntu, Fedora, or OpenSuse then you're fine; otherwise you have to either turn off Secure Boot in BIOS or use a signed shim. Infact I just dd'd the whole ssd with inactivated windows for backup before I decide to do anything about it.

 

I picked it up a 500 GB Samsung EVO 840 on Amazon for about $319. Even though I had to pay tax, I'm an Amazon Prime Subscriber so I got 2 day shipping for pretty much nothing.

 

That sucks. Sounds to me the only good choices are 100% or 200% scaling, the latter giving you the equivalent of a 960x540 screen in terms of real estate.

If I would get an SSD and do a full disk clone from the original HDD, would that give me trouble? I would lose secure boot, right? I want to have Windows 8 Pro. What I usually do is grab a Windows retail image, format everything, install Windows, and activate it with the key that came with the laptop. Would that method still work with Windows 8.1 pro?

I wonder if there's a difference in heat/fan noise between the i3, i5 and i7.

A 1TB SSD can be had for less than $500:
Newegg.com - Crucial M500 960GB SATA 2.5" 7mm (with 9.5mm adapter) Internal Solid State Drive CT960M500SSD1

 

ThinkPad X240s Ultrabook Laptop | Lenovo | Lenovo (HK)

I wonder how much thinner.

 

X240: http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240-side-back-8.jpg

X240s: http://www.lenovo.com/images/gallery/1060x596/lenovo-laptop-thinkpad-x240s-side-back-10.jpg

 

are there any experiences with loose display bezels on the x240? There have been some reports for the t440s, including suggestions to get the touch model as the glas layer adds durability. Is it the same for the x240?

 

Practically, I think there's hardly any difference between the two. The x240s might shave off a couple millimeters, but they both "start at 2.84lbs". I'm still annoyed that the x240s is a regional model though.

 

X240 went back yesterday. Couldn't take the single slab trackpad, lack of track point mouse pressure sensitivity settings and the high pitched fan. Also found the keyboard mushy, hollow and dead silent. Just felt awkward. Its a shame because the machine was otherwise awesome. Hope Lenovo knows what they are doing with their design.

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Hi all,
does anyone have experience yet with the new 1920x Touch Displays which are now offered in the CTO models of the X240?

i am thinking about getting one but had some bad experience with previous Lenovo "higher" resolution displays (namely the first X1 1600x900 with the screen door effect).

How is the display quality?
Is it really 400 NITS as per spec?

A first hand experience would be awesome, couldn't find a review online yet.

Thanks in advance !!

 

Please ignore. Tried to edit above post from phone.

 

Some pictures posted by users with the FHD screen on this thread:

imgur: the simple image sharer

Thinkpad x240 viewing angles - Imgur

 

I just "discovered" that Sony Vaio Pro can be ordered with non-touch, matte FHD screen, both for 11" and 13" models. For 13", there are even prebuilt models available, e.g., at Amazon.

I realize that those are very different notebooks from Thinkpad x240, with inferior keyboard or expandability, but at least there is *some* choice for those of us who would like a small notebook with non-glossy FHD screen and Haswell.

 

I would not buy notebooks from Sony, mainly because the keyboard flexes one half inch deep and recently they are planning to sell the PC branch, due to heavy financial losses. Have fun with the support

 

Sony has already sold the PC branch to JIP and will withdraw from the North America market.

 

I am very hesitant about pulling the trigger on one of these. I am currently typing this on a dell inspiron 11 3000 which has only a touchpad and no dedicated buttons. I loved my t430 but sold it to go smaller and I have to be honest I hate just soley having a touchpad. I know the quality of the dell is way less than thinkpad but can I get some peoples opinion on the x240 touchpad vs the older style dedicated buttons on x230 and t430? I see the two red lines at the top of the touchpad, if you tap above those lines does it act like the old buttons and act as a click or do you actually have to press them down?

The touchpad is the only thing which is scaring me !!!

 

Damn. Well, I haven't ordered mine yet. I've hesitated due to the price and the general feeling around the forums. I don't see another option though, and that's the problem.

Wild question: Can you physically remove the trackpoint, since the trackpad is single slab, and almost worthless for trackpoint use? I would rather just go all trackpad than use a gimped trackpoint. It would be great if it just screwed in and out.

 

What about the FHD Touch with the ghosting problem? Can someone please upload some pictures or a video? That would be nice.




THANKS!

 

I have had my FHD X240 for one week now and I can see a little bit of retention, like the icons on my task bar and some of Chrome's interface buttons. for now it's only with stuff that's displayed almost full time, so it's not bothering me. For example, if I leave a web page on for 20 minutes, I won't get any visible retention. I will update and take pictures if it gets worse.

 

How long does it take the IPS panel to "recover" from the retention? 2 seconds? 5? 10? 1 minute?

 

Hi guys

I'm interested in x240, but I have a few questions

1) why the fullhd model is listed to be heavier than the hd model? Is it an error on the specs I've read on ok1.de?
2) is there anybody outside of Germant who has bought one from ok1.de? If yes, can you tell me how was your feedback about that website?


Thank you all

 

Hey all, do any of the screens available for the X240 suffer from the ghosting that is found on the 1080p LG screens of the ThinkPad Yoga and the Dell XPS 12? If so, which screens?

 

Did you bother to read 3 posts above yours? I dont mean to sound rude, but a poster just mentioned above your post that he is experiencing slight "ghosting" on his FHD display and provided some details.

 

hello all,

1. did any one tried installing Linux (fedora, ubuntu, debian, etc) on x240 ?
2. What's your review ?
3. I am willing to buy it for my college, would you recommend it ?
4. How's battery life on linux ?
5. What about hardware usability (drivers and stuffs ) ?

 

Do you think there is a huge difference between the 4300U and 4200U models? Don`t know if it`s worth the extra money... CPUboss gives the 4300U a score of 7.1 and the 4200U a score of 6.8. Will you recognize the difference?

 

Performance-wise you probably won't notice a ~5% difference. If you're planning to use virtualisation then the 4300U has some extra features (notably VT-d)

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I'm kinda torn between the i5-4300U and the i7-4600U. I don't buy computer stuff often, but when I do, I get the very best, because I'll use it for years till it falls apart. But damn, that's a big price difference for around 10% or so more performance.

 

Especially when you look at the bulk prices on Intel's site. The 4200U and 4300U are the same price and i7 is only $113 higher. Compare that with the $270 spread (before discount) when you spec up an X240 and it really feels like you're being ripped off..

 

I meant to ask, "do ALL of the screens available for the X240 exhibit ghosting?"

 

I'd go for a i5 4200u instead of the 4300u if you don't need the extra features, which the majority of us don't. Between i5 and i7, you're going to notice very little performance difference (like milliseconds), plus you're going to get better battery life and probably better heat management with the i5. Not to mention the savings.

 

Okay, sounds good. Thanks for the replies! I think I will go for the X240, too!

 

Does anyone not have the high pitched fan noise?

 

For me it comes and goes depending on what I'm doing. I'm surprised by how easily my system gets taxed for certain types of games.

I have the 4600u and the fan whines semi loudly when I'm playing the Microsoft Mahjong app, but almost nothing at all while I'm playing Braid (2D scroller puzzle game). For normal web browsing, emails, and Office documents, its super quiet; I have to put my ear to the fan to hear anything.

I've had the system for a little over a week so here are some quick notes:

Image Retention - Yes it retains the image a little but goes away within 15 seconds or so. Its not that noticeable *yet* I've heard that it gets worse the longer that you've been using it.

Buttonless Trackpad - I'm a HEAVY trackpoint user. The buttonless trackpad is a pain to use. I have a T430 that I use for work and the Thinkpad Bluetooth Compact Keyboard with Trackpoint. Because of this, it's not a matter of getting used to the buttonless trackpad, because I'm always going back to a keyboard that has the buttons. With the other trackpoint keyboards its very easy to find the middle or left click buttons regardless of how my hand is positioned. I'll be standing up and bending over the X240 while it's sitting on a desk and its hit or miss when using left or middle click. On Windows 8(.1) there isn't an option to make the trackpoint as sensitive as you can for Windows 7 so it feels sluggish, even with the highest sensitivity settings.

Bluetooth - It looses connection with both the Bluetooth compact keyboard and Thinkpad Bluetooth Laser mouse. That's regardless of how far away the devices are from the computer itself.

Display - It's gorgeous in my eyes. This is my first laptop with an IPS display and it looks great. Brightness levels and viewing angles are very nice. I got the FHD model and I'm running it at 100% scaling. Some things can get a little on the small side but I'm happy that I can get so much desktop space in such a small size.

Keyboard - It has a padded feel when you hit the the bottom of the keystroke. It's not as clicky as the other Thinkpads I've used but it still feels good. What bothers me is that for every Thinkpad I've owned, they've all had different keyboard layouts. Compared to the T430, they did away with the Insert key and took out the dedicated volume and mute buttons. I don't use the Insert key that much but I'd really like some consistency. Nothing compares to they 7 row layout of my old T42p though. I'm a heavy user of Page Up, Page down, Home and End buttons. On the old T42p I could hit these without looking at the keyboard, now I have to look. In terms of typing efficiency, the 7 row layout couldn't be beat.

On the other threads there were reports that in order to use the F1 - 12 button, you had to use the Fn key or lock them in using Fn + Esc. I was worried that it wouldn't keep after a reboot or powering off, but it stays in the last mode that you kept it which is at least helpful.

Windows 8 - Not really Lenovo's fault but wow. Some of the touch features are nice, but really, I just want to work in desktop mode. It bothers me that for some settings and applications, such as adding devices, you have to use a Metro app that takes you out of desktop mode.

Fingerprint Reader - Hit or miss. I've tried to record multiple fingerprints over and over again, but it's very random when it works. Seems to work better just immediately after boot up rather than if it's been on the login screen for more than 30 seconds.

Updating Hardware Components - I replaced the hard drive with an SSD. It's a pain to get it open and now there looks to be a permanent small gap between the the the top keyboard bezel and the bottom plate where the fan is located. I tried to be as careful as possible with a prying tool but there are some scratches and indentations in the seams....Lenovo sure doesn't make it easy.

Build Quality - It's still built like a Thinkpad.

Heat - Never really notice it that much because it usually sits on a desk or I'm using the Bluetooth keyboard while its connected to my TV for light gaming or watching media.

Overall, I'm still happy with my purchase. I was very close to getting the Thinkpad Yoga but really needed an integrated Ethernet port and Displayport. I was also considering the 13 inch MacBook retina, but besides not having Ethernet built in, the effective resolution was less than FHD. For my next upgrade, I'll be looking very hard at what Apple is offering. I've always felt that for a laptop, it's either a Thinkpad or a Macbook. The reasons for preferring the Thinkpad, such as the OS, keyboard layout, Trackpoint and upradeability feel like they are increasingly being marginalized to the point where it is no longer retaining any advantage. Just my .02

 

Interesting review, many thanks. Any chance you can pop Ubuntu or some such on a USB drive and give it a whirl? What did your configuration cost, if I may, and where was it purchased?

 

If you can link me to a site where I can download and install it on a USB thumb-drive I'll try to give it a whirl.

My configuration was pretty high because I ordered a ton of accessories (2nd AC adapter, Bluetooth Mouse, Bluetooth Keyboard), bumped up everything to the best option with the exception of the Hard Drive that I later replaced and added the 3 year Onsite Warranty with Accidental Damage protection. With tax it was close to $2,200. The laptop by itself, without tax or warranty was a little less than $1600.

Reading my post over again, it made it seem worse than it really is. I still feel that the Thinkpad, in particular the x240, is the best laptop for my needs, regardless of price.

 

The 330 dollar screen upgrade seems like a lot. Does anyone know if the cheapest screen option is upgradable to the fhd ? I am sure it would require a new cable and a bottom bezel piece but what else? Just want to see if it could be more cost effective to do it myself and save a bit

 

Suck it lenovo! I won't longer wait for a X240 FHD any longer. Mediocre touch IPS screen from LG, high-pitched fan, single-channel, glassfiber reinforced plastic .... pfff.

I'll get the T440s. Slightly bigger, dual-channel (or multi-channel with 12GB), dedicated GPU, _perfect_ AHVA display with magnesium reinforced chassis. I need one now not in 6 month.

I would want to get one with docking, but with Linux they seem not to work well, hence I go straight for version with the 730M.




Still, I don't want to spoil anyone's anticipations .. but I'm done with the X240. So many flaws. Uggh.

 

But you still get the terrible trackpad.

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Terrible? It is one of the best TrackPads for Windows Notebooks in the market.

 

You are in for a big surprise. You are probably not aware of the FHD non-touch display issues that plague the T440s (check the T440s owners thread). I bought one and returned it because it came with the crappy LG IPS display with crazy spotlight issues. Now I am going with the X240 instead.

 

lol, for me its the opposit, i wanted and just had the t440s with gt 730m und returned it because it had so many flaws und the worst display i have seen for many years (srsly the lg fhd is worse than most tn panels)
and now i want to get a x240, i think they have much less problems but i will wait until some reviews of the fhd screen

 

Of course I am getting the model with the AUO panel. I've read really good things about it.

I've already called a supplier, if they could check the panel in the BIOS while doing a faulty pixel test in the meantime. Unfortunately I have to wait 'til a new batch gets delivered, because my chances to get the T440s with the AUO panel are at 0%. hahahaha


BTW:
The FHD non-touch seems to be from LG too! (LGD 12.5"IPS FHD LED backlight LCD panel with touch for Stella model.LGD LP125WF2-SP). I think the 12.5" LG IPS panels won't be better either.

 

Do any Linux users have suspend issue with x240? I've install Debian and use pm-suspend when lid gets closed. I get occasional S3 suspend hang when the power button led gets slow blinking, the screen turned off, but the fan spins in full speed until long press of the power button. Booting with init=/bin/sh, then echo mem >/sys/power/state I can get reliably reproducible the hang with screen not turned off (blank screen with a cursor at left top). I only tested Debian jessie kernel 3.12 and Ubuntu trusty kernel 3.13. I suspect firmware issues (the damn firmware can only updated with a USB CD where do I find that??). I'll try more tests on this later.

Regarding your question about Ubuntu, I'd say it should be pretty good. There is an extra HDMI sound card which made my sound not work out of the box though it's easy to resolve.
You'll probably have some issue with the backlight; search acpi_osi="!Windows 2012". Some more details don't work perfectly out of the box on Debian but I assume Ubuntu would do better.

 

tmpfs: I still haven't ordered my X240. In part and thanks to, nacy333, and the comprehensive review posted a page back. I'm still very much on the fence between the 440s and the 240. Unfortunately, I can't help on the problems. (I choose Ubuntu as a well know distro. I use Arch and have been know to flop back and forth between that and Fedora.)

Any chance the forum could get a lengthy review from you as well? It sounds like you've logged some miles on the 240.

 

I've had my x240 for a little over a week now and thought I'd share my experience.
purchased with the following config

core i5 4300u (i believe slightly faster graphics specs than the 4200u)
4gb ram
500gb hd
ac wifi
ips screen with standard res.

Coming from an x220 the trackpad has taken a lot of getting used to. Even after 10 days I occasionally highlight an entire page trying to scroll down. To make things easier I have placed 2 layers of electrical tape to create a raised surface where the scroll button would be. It helps a little. If anyone has a better idea on recreating a physical button I would like to know if it!

The lack of dedicated F keys is annoying as I frequently used Alt F4 but no longer can without locking out volume/brightness controls, I didn't think the palm rest was too short on the x220 so I would prefer getting back the extra keys on the older keyboard... The typing experience is not bad.

I have upgraded the system to 8gb ram using ddr3 pc14900 ram instead of the 12800 that it shipped with. I think the extra speed is possibly being utilized as the computer shows the memory speed as 1867mhz. I'm not totally sure about this, but I feel this computer needs all the help it can get in terms of speed.

I have replaced the HD with an older samsung 830 SSD I used in my x220. system boot up and general usage is snappy.

As for heat and noise the fan comes on while playing Diablo, and it gets hot, but I feel not quite as hot as the x220 got. The noise while audible does not bother me. At low settings and 1280x1024 res. I am able to get upto 50 FPS. at 1366 x 768 I get 35ish FPS.

I am happy with the build quality, but broke 2 plastic pry tools while popping off the bottom cover. The cover and tabs are fine though.

If I could design my own thinkpad I would have stuck a full power mobile haswell chip in the old x220 chasis... but since I cant, this will have to do. It does out perform the x220 (core i5 2520m) in 3d graphics (diablo) but other than that it is about the same performance wise.
I feel the x240 is over priced compared to the x220...