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    ThinkPad X240

    Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by ibmthink, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. WhyDoINeedToRegister

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    Again. DDR3 ram is only supporting up to 8GB. 16GB ram sticks don't exist. You could solder the ram on your mobo somehow :D
     
  2. PsychocandyMtl

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    Oh ok that's what you meant! Didn't know it was a limit of the DDR3 format.

    I just meant that for now it's much cheaper to get the 4GB X240 and replace the ram by an 8GB module yourself.
     
  3. mil2

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    It's no different with the 256 GB SSD. You can get these things for half the price -- in retail packaging! If you are planning to swap the RAM on your own, do yourself a favor and swap the HDD/SSD at the same time. The 500 GB HDD can then be used as a backup drive. That's what I plan to do anyway...
     
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    Actually, the sound on my X240 isn't bad...
    The Dolby Advanced Audio v2 let me choose between "Movie", "Music" and "Games", even if the last one is a bit like the "Movie" sound.
    I found the first two modes to be very adequate for Movies and Musics respectively.
    The X240 has two speakers, one bottom right, the other one middle left. This creates a spatialisation of the sound when I put the X240 on a table (It sounds better with the big battery, because without, mediums are not very well reproducted, speakers are too near the table)


    I can't compare with the T440s speakers, but I found my speakers to be not bad, at least not as bad as it was said on reviews...
    I guess this is subjective, I can only compare with speakers from a 4year old 600euros' Asus, and from a 8year old multimedia Acer Laptop... Trust me, there has been progress.
    I can't compare it with 2.0 external speakers either, cause those have larger membranes, which provide richer sound...
    In fact, the difference is that the X240 speakers reproduce the mediums, unlike the old laptops, this makes the sound a lot better.

    To my knowledge, very good speakers just don't exist on <14-15inch Laptop, which is not very logical, sedentary laptops, >15inch laptops, can be connected to good audio systems permanently, but <14inch laptop owners need speakers on the go, manufacturers should consider this...
    I guess it is easier to put numerous, big speakers into big laptops :/
     
  5. anandoc

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    Has anybody received their X240 with the FHD touch screen yet? If so, please post some pictures. I am seriously considering to get one instead of the T440s. The only thing that is making me a bit hesitant is the screen quality. The T440s with the LG screen was a real let down and I hope the X240 FHD touch screen wont be like that. Thanks.
     
  6. hotsauce

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    My FHD is "sent to manufacturing" with an estimated 1/31 ship. I'll post when it arrives.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
  7. mil2

    mil2 Notebook Consultant

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    Out of curiousity I thought I'd check what options Lenovo offers in Europe for the x240. So I went to:

    http://www.lenovo.com/nl/en/

    And -- lo and behold -- you can already configure an x240 with non-touch FHD screen over there! The upgrade is even 10 EUR cheaper than the non-touch HD IPS (72 vs 82 EUR over TN HD).

    Now the question is when that option will be offered in the US. Or maybe whether it will be offered, because Lenovo is known to limit choices by geographical region for reasons known only to them.
     
  8. nacy333

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    I've noticed that Europeans have an option for NFC. Is it possible to add NFC post purchase?

    I've ordered a system with FHD Touch with a shipping date of 01/27.
     
  9. PsychocandyMtl

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    I have a FHD system ordered with the same shipping date: 01/27.
    I hope it won't be pushed back :)
     
  10. Ickx

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    What makes things stranger is that it's not the same for all of Europe. As of yesterday a non touch was not available in Sweden. The store is also very confusing, three versions of the X240 seem to be available at different starting price and different headings but I can't find any difference between them.

    Also a question. Is the harddrive installed 2.5”and is there any benefit to have a 16 GB internal flash something something storage and a SSD disk? The option is only available if I configure the computer with a HHD but as I want a larger SSD than the options provided I will look at options outside Lenovo.
     
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    mil2 Notebook Consultant

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    X240 FRU Listing

    Looks like the FHD screen is LGD LP125WF2-SPB1. Same as in Thinkpad Yoga, so see the video that bmstrong linked to earlier (thanks!) or, e.g., the following review:

    Review Lenovo ThinkPad Yoga Convertible - NotebookCheck.net Reviews

    Apparently it's a 70% sRGB gamut screen, so comparable to the IPS screen in x220/x230 (which was also an LG). Not bad, but not great either...

    nacy333, regarding your NFC question: the FRU listing I linked at the top lists two NFC-related components: an NFC module without antenna and a different keyboard bezel. So it may be possible to install those yourself, provided that you manage to get the required components (they may show up on ebay at some point). Lenovo training videos provide no information about these components, and I couldn't find anyting in the Hardware Maintenance Manual either (strange...), so you would be essentially on your own.

    lckx, the harddrive is 2.5" and there's space for 9.5mm drives. You can see the replacement procedures at the training site:

    X240 Service Training

    If you get a 2.5" SSD, there's no real benefit to having a separate M.2 SSD. What could make sense for some is to keep the 2.5" HDD as a sort of archive drive (for photos, movies, etc) and install a larger M.2 SSD as a system drive and for daily use. The training videos indicate that you can actually install two M.2 SSDs ("3rd M.2 Slot" - the first being used by the WLAN card) on models without touch and smartcard.
     
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  13. Paulux-28

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    Hey hello !
    I am having some trouble here with my X240.
    This is related to the power management : sometimes, when i command "sleep mode", and even when I close the laptop, it shuts down the screen but everything else is still working and won't go to sleep :(
    Sometimes, the components wake up from sleep mode but not the screen.
    And sometimes, it's doing this when I try to shut it down...

    I read that it could be because of the Power Manager Lenovo software, but even when I removed it, it happens again...
    Any ideas ? I think I'll just contact IBM's technical support...
    Thanks anyway !
     
  14. bmstrong

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    Still torn between the two i5 options but I'm leaning towards the 4300 for the .3Ghz clock speed increase and for future-proofing. I still think the i7 ioverkill and over priced for what it is. Did anyone actually go with the i7?
     
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    I would go for the 4300. In fact, I did. :p

    Someone in the T440s thread pointed out that the 4300u is about 18% faster than the 4200u (Geekbench score IIRC?). The i7 isn't much faster for the huge additional cost.
     
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    I ordered the i7, though I would have preferred the 4500 over the 4600, the 4600 was the only configurable option on the website.
     
  17. Gaz552

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    Has anyone got this with the standard resolution screen? What's your opinion on it?
    I think full HD is going to be simply too high on a 12.5" screen, when using legacy apps, putty and Linux too.
     
  18. Commander Wolf

    Commander Wolf can i haz broadwell?

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    I think FHD is fantastic on 12.5; I am itching to scrap my crappy 1366 x 768 x220t and get an FHD x240 when they can give me a non-touch option...
     
  19. Paulux-28

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    I can't say about the FHD screen, I have the HD IPS screen.
    I used to use a 15,6" laptop with HD resolution, and having the same resolution in a 12,5" screen now, I have to say it is way better.
    Still, vertical content is limited, because of the 768pixels, especially when surfing. But you know, I don't look at everything at the same time on the page, and I just have to scroll down with two fingers (which is very pleasant with this touchpad surface)
    I think it would have been a too big gap if I had taken the FHD IPS option :D
     
  20. soul347

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    I currently use a 10.6" screen with 1920x1080. At 125% scaling, it is quite usable for all the desktop apps that I am using. The only applications that doesn't really adjust with scaling that people commonly use is google chrome and adobe photoshop. On a 12.5" screen you'll still definitely have to use it in 125% scaling, but I imagine it should work really well. Hopefully in due time windows will get their act together and improve scaling and allow for different scaling configurations on separate monitors, which is a feature that is way over due
     
  21. rsyed

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    looks like the 240 with FHD has arrived on the german and austrian lenovo sites. thanks god..

    quick question to everyone:
    anyone know the difference in the 3 battery types? does the big battery stick out like we konw from the x200 series?
     
  22. bmstrong

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    Any reviews yet?
     
  23. mil2

    mil2 Notebook Consultant

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    See the youtube review linked to in post #364 by bmstrong. It demonstrates two of the available batteries starting at about 3:20. Those two are the 3-cell (23.5 Wh) and the 6-cell (72 Wh).

    ThinkPad Battery 68, 68+ - Overview and Service Parts

    The intermediate 6-cell (47.5 Wh) is a bit of a mystery. I couldn't find any details on it on the Lenovo's website, though that doesn't meant much, given the mess they have there.
     
  24. hotsauce

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    The 6 cell sticks out from underneath.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
  25. elTeck

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    I love my Thinkpad X240.. But, I'm looking for a laptop sleeve that fits well... Any opinions/ideas?
     
  26. bmstrong

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    What do you love about it exactly? What configuration did you get it in? Do any aftermarket upgrades? Where did you purchase it from?

    I'm having a heck of a time finding a demo in Northeastern Ohio to look at and hold. I'd like to see one first before plunking a grand.
     
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    i think this picture could be helpful for the ones who are worried about the 3 battery types...

    so for me: it is either teh small one or the big one for travelling..

    my wifey has a x240 without FHD - does not look as solid as the pre-x240 x2xx series i am used to but it is slim, it is light and it has a FHD - enough reasons to replace my 5 year old x200s with 1440x900 display..

    batt2.jpg
     
  28. nacy333

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    I've ordered this: ThinkPad 12

    It is expected to to ship sometime during the first 2 weeks of February so I can't give any information as to fit (my x240 should be shipping sometime this week as well). Be aware that there are 2 different 12" sleeves, the other model is a lot taller than this one so it might fit better with the 6 cell batteries.
     
  29. mil2

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    It kind of makes you wonder why that 48 Wh model even exists... Is it significantly lighter than the 72 Wh one?

    Don't forget about the other option of simply not plugging in any external battery and going internal-only for ultimate light weight.

    I think I read somewhere that the x240 is all-plastic, unlike the previous generations which had a magnesium outer shell. Can you confirm?
     
  30. PsychocandyMtl

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    Mine shipped this morning so it shouldn't be too long since I had the same estimated shipping date as yours.
     
  31. nacy333

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    Are you able to get to the Lenovo Order status page? It's been down for me for the past 3 days. The ship date was supposed to be today (Jan 27th) but I haven't received anything as of yet.
     
  32. ammarr

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    View the same page over https instead of http. It should work fine then.
     
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  33. PsychocandyMtl

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    So I've been reading about the Thinkpad Yoga and Dell XPS 12 FHD screen ghosting issues and I was wondering if the delay of the X240's FHD option was Lenovo waiting for a fixed batch?
    People with a Dell XPS have been told the replacement screens would be available starting february.
     
  34. rsyed

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    hi there,

    the 48Wh is about 70g lighter than the 82Wh - 1,58kg vw. 1,65kg.

    i have now opted for the 72Wh for long business trips and the 24Wh battery for the day to day stuff..

    running it without a battery is also an option but optically i am not sure how it looks if a part is missing at the back..

    regarding the pre-240 series vs. 240 - not sure whether it is because the x240 is just lighter but it just feels a mit more fragile, yet it does look and feel like the lenovos, except that it is just fragile.. difficult to describe. can't tell about the magensium outer shell..
     
  35. mil2

    mil2 Notebook Consultant

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    There's a long history of complaints about the LG IPS screens having ghosting issues. I've seen them with Thinkpad x220 (2011), apparently there were complaints again with the x230 (2012), and now also with Yoga and Dell (2013-14).

    Every time the response ranges from denial through "the samples we have seen/tested were acceptable" to replacements on a case-by-case basis. The problem has never really been fully resolved.

    For what it's worth, I have one of the early x220 Thinkpads which supposedly can exhibit the problem, yet in practise I've never seen it. What bothers me more is a bright pressure spot that showed up a couple of months after I got the laptop -- also a common problem with that panel. So I would be more interested to know if that problem has been fixed in the meantime.

    Like it or not, LG is the only manufacturer of 12.5" IPS screens and what they make is not without its shortcomings. Those in search for a perfect screen better start looking at different panel sizes, because they won't find it in 12.5"...
     
  36. hotsauce

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    My FHD X240 shipped yesterday. UPS still isn't showing a delivery date, but I'm betting on at least 5 business days...
     
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  37. WhyDoINeedToRegister

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    When your X240 arrives .. can you test if the ghosting was fixed?

    Test it with this site: Retina MBP (rMBP) image-retention test




    Thanks!
     
  38. hotsauce

    hotsauce Notebook Evangelist

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    It will be delivered this Friday. Sure, I'll test. If it does ghost, I'm going to have a complex, so thanks...
     
  39. Faruk

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    I think that Windows 8.1 does this, actually (haven't tested it myself though).
     
  40. hotsauce

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    Nope

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
     
  41. anandoc

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    And please post pictures of the FHD screen. I cant seem to find any of the X240 with the IPS touch FHD screen.
     
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  42. Paulux-28

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    No, on their website, Lenovo says it is still made of magnesium and of plastic of course. They added some carbon fiber on the top and the bottom of the laptop, so it appears and feels a bit softer. I believe it is hiding great sturdiness, I personally would say the X240 feels pretty solid.
    It appears all plastic and may flex a bit more than its predecessors, but this is a high end material, no doubt about that, it will last.

    BTW, I called IBM, and they decided to send me Windows 7 DVD, with Lenovo's software in factory configuration.
    I have no stantby problem anymore. I believe some of the 71 Windows 7 updates made my X240 crash, so I won't update !
    I will confirm in the few days if there is absolutely no standby problem, then I will inform IBM, then I will install Windows 8...
     
  43. TLMT

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    Well, the tabook specifies : "Case material : Glass-Fiber Reinforced Plastic". ( http://www.lenovo.com/psref/pdf/tabook.pdf)
    So I don't know what is true...
    if someone has an answer, that would be great.

    (Please excuse my poor English)
     
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    Anyone know what size the M2 ssd drive would fit in the X240?

    I want to add an M2 drive but they come in different lengths and I am not sure which will fit in this laptop.
     
  45. WhyDoINeedToRegister

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    Nope. These PDFs are always pretty damn accurate. I've never seen any typos in them at all. I am pretty sure, that the X240 has no magnesium/aluminium or roll-cage as this would add up to the weight of the "Ultrabook". And you know .. they are trying to slim it down as far as they can.

    I've hold the X240 in my hands. It looks sturdy, but it frankly does not feel like that. It's not horrible, but either way the e.g. W530 was two notches sturdier.


    So yeah .. I'm pretty sure, that they've used that glass-fiber reinforced plastic.




    OT: Customers are fooled by the HALO effect. Subconsciously we think, that every ThinkPad branded notebook has the roll-cage, but it clearly does not apply to every laptop. And Lenovo won't make this clear, instead their customers have to look into deep deep crevices of their website to get to the information. Nice policy Lenovo.
     
  47. ibmthink

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    The X240 does have a chassis partly made out of magnesium as far as I know.

    X-Series never had a Roll-Cage like T or W series. Instead, some of the chassis parts (the base cover for example) were made out of magnesium.
     
  48. vinuneuro

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    I received an X240 from Lenovo as replacement for a previous machine. As I am using a T440s, I don't need this and it is unopened. If anyone is interested in the following configuration at discount, send me a message. I will ship internationally.

    i7-4600U
    Win 8/Win 7 Pro
    HD IPS Touch
    8GB RAM
    Keyboard- Backlit
    256GB SSD
    Intel 7260-AC
    Fingerprint
    3-yr warranty
     
  49. Paulux-28

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    "I've hold the X240 in my hands. It looks sturdy, but it frankly does not feel like that. It's not horrible, but either way the e.g. W530 was two notches sturdier. "

    If you consider that a solid material must be hard as a rock, then yes, the new Thinkpad series feel less solid. I can imagine that if you wanted to see flex on previous Thinkpads, you had to break the case :D
    I personally don't think this is a criterion of solidity. We should define first what "solidity" means.
    I mean we could consider a spider web as nothing but solid, but actually this is a pretty amazing stuff. Although the web appears very flexible, it is 5times more resistant than steel with the same proportions...

    You feel this flexible material like less sturdy, but I do think it is still surdy, maybe sturdier than before ;)
    We're talking about the material, not the joining of the different materials. And even about this, I see less build problems than before, if you put flex out of the equation...
     
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    the tabook specifies for the X230 :"Display cover: Magnesium + PCABS; Bottom: Magnesium alloy". But it isn'nt written fpor the X240.

    In an other post lead_org wrote :
    T440 is a direct replacement of the T430u, while the T440s is the successor to the T430s. I think the T440 uses Glass Fiber Reinforced Polymer for the body like the T430u, while the T440s uses magnesium alloy for the chassis like the T430s.

    I assume GFRP is less expensive than Carbon Reinforced Polymer, and perhaps less sturdy...
     
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