Thinkpad Carbon X1 Extreme (upcoming)

Wouldn't the Precision 7530 just have the same problems as the other XPS and 5530 since it's just a bigger XPS for business. I read a test but the noise levels and thermals weren't any better for the bigger chassis. Also throtteling on that model too. The noise is less on average but higher on max load. The Lenovo for example is never above 39 db(a) according to this test https://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-...-Ti-Max-Q-Laptop.334530.0.html#toc-emissionen
Which some users here contradict though. I wish I could do my own hands on test but I can't order laptops for thousands of euros just to test if I might like them

 

Bigger often means a higher capacity cooling solution, so it wouldn't necessarily have the same problems as the slimmer and lighter variants. That said, I admittedly haven't looked into those models in detail since I've never wanted a thicker 15" laptop. I just mentioned them because they would seem to fit the bill. But if even those models can't run without throttling (which surprises me given their target market and workloads), then I'm not sure what to tell you. The only other options I'm aware of are gaming systems, though I'd be surprised if those were designed for better performance than the mobile workstation models, and then of course the 17" behemoths.

 

The X1/XPS class of laptops do the best they can with the space they have. They're super dense inside with limited air flow. The fact of the matter is that these 8th gen+ CPUs just run really hot and throttling is a problem even in larger, gaming laptops.

A larger chassis perhaps gives you more tweaking room to figure out mods, get better airflow, and will generally get you equivalent performance at a lower temp. Or are able to manage a higher temp for higher performance. One of the ways they achieve that is with larger, noisier fans with wider range on airflow/noise that offer more comfortable hand and palm temperatures on the keyboard, for example. You also get much more at the same price point.

Business class laptops are a bit different in that sturdiness is usually prioritized over high-CPU-performance-thermal-management. So that extra size/weight isn't necessarily geared towards optimized noise/thermals as a gaming laptop would be.

If you want the form factor of an X1, you're going to have to deal with the limitations. You're paying for "the best we can do in this thin box" and that's the overriding value proposition. In my case we get great heat management, low noise and great performance with a few relatively simple tweaks.

Do you have a sense of what you need to run that would make throttling an issue? I just wouldn't recommend thinking of this as a high performing gaming rig or productivity machine. In fact I'd go so far as to say that if it's throttling in your primary use case... this is probably just flat out the wrong machine for you unless the form factor is your #1 priority by a long shot over performance.

 

For what it's worth, I had pretty darn good performance on my X1E

 

I would run 3D renderings in Vray which ideally need to maintain a higher clock speed over a longer period of time and painting in Substance Painter which utilizes the GPU and CPU alot.

But you sold it? What are you getting now? And you said it's loud in contrast to The Underdog.

The HP Zbooks look good from a display standpoint and battery life but they do throttle heavily and seem to have different battery capacities in Germany from what I saw on the HP website
https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-ZBook-Studio-x360-G5-i7-P1000-FHD-Workstation-Review.358161.0.html
This article claims 97wh battery but the website says it's a 4 cell battery and a german user said HP told him this is only an option without P1000 and the website with P1000 model says 90wh battery. It's pretty stupid.

 

I am in the process of selling it just for some extra funds for modifications for my truck. I already have a Lenovo A485 to "replace" it.

I said that prior to removing the fan mesh it was much louder than the Dell. After removing it, it was probably quieter than the XPS.

 

Where can I find that fan mesh? And how difficult is it to remove? I am not very eager to tinker with a new bought laptop. When can we expect new models from the major companies? I can wait two months for that.

 

The fan mesh is on the bottom cover and is very easy to remove. Just take your time and it comes off without any issue and can be reinstalled in the future if need be. You don't have to tinker with a new laptop but it won't run as well/quiet if you don't. I have no idea when a new X1E may come out sadly, probably a much longer time frame than 2 months.

 

I just made two Dragon boot logos for the Lenovo X1 Extreme, one for FHD and UHD:
https://imgur.com/a/uNYmpk9

Just download the appropriate one for your system and rename to LOGO.JPG and put it in your BIOS update folder and run WINUPTP.EXE to flash the image.
FHD: https://imgur.com/pOQZO6q
UHD: https://imgur.com/y2Zqdti

The matching vinyl decal can be bought here with your choice of colors: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-Tri...indow-Laptop-Vinyl-Decal-Sticker/162752760381

They will size the decal down to 14" x 9.5" if you ask them to. The Lenovo X1 Extreme will fit up to 14.24” x 9.67” on the top lid.

 

Does anybody know if the P52 4k Display option is the same as in the X1 Extreme or is it the display from the P52s?

 

Received my decal today... and installed it:


X1E opened

X1E closed

Boot video: https://imgur.com/RIqRFvW

 

Anyone who has bought from the Lenovo USA store being from another country?
I really would like to buy the X1 extreme and the price difference between my country (Italy) store and the US one is insane. Approx 1k € for the same specs.
I was wondering if anyone went this road how did they managed it: usiing one of the many buy and ship services like myusa,etc or maybe with a friend help...
I have approx 400€ of import taxes though...

 

FYI, 32GB sticks are down to $171 now, https://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-DD...303142300334?_trksid=p2385738.m4383.l4275.c10

 

As per your signature, the X1E supports 2x32GB modules for a total of 64GB? Nice for running RAM-hungry VMs. That means the new X1E will support it as well.

 

Did not go through the whole thread. I have the 4k screen and the battery life is just bad. Any ideas on getting battery life on these?
I also read that doing a repaste will help with cooling. Is there a link to help with doing this?

 

What we can expect from the 3rd Gen? Just an Intel 10th gen CPU refresh? Maybe an Nvidia 1650 super max q if this even comes out?
I just sold my X1 4th Gen and I think I will be more than a year without a laptop waiting for the Intel 10nm and the next Nvidia architecture.

 

10th gen CPU refresh and maybe a GPU refresh but that is a stretch. The upgrade from 2nd to 3rd gen shouldn't be that much

 

What about 16:10 screen ratio? Maybe 16-17" version like the new Mac and Dell XPS?

 

X1E is relatively new chassis, they will not make any huge changes now, X1E gen. 3 will be just a refresh with new chips.
Biggest change from Lenovo this year will be renaming T490/T590/E490/etc to T14/T15/E14/etc.

 

Lenovo does seem to have a tendency of changing the chassis every 2 generations, whether or not they really should. It's probably why there is some interest pinned to the X1E3.

It's also Lenovo, though, so I expect regressions in battery size, cooling capability, keyboard, and upgradeability.

We may get the finest 16:9 glossy displays to "compensate" for this, however.

Also the likeliness of getting a vastly superior AMD CPU is near nil. Expect an Intel 14nm spaceheater and the lower battery life associated with 14nm Intel.

 

Maybe Tiger Lake
https://www.techpowerup.com/266185/intel-confirms-mid-2020-tiger-lake-launch

But still not in time for Nvidia Ampere.

Comet Lake confirmed for the next X1E...

https://www.techpowerup.com/266638/...field-to-launch-around-september-october-2020

 

Leak? https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/fs1kpp/x1_extreme_gen_3_news/


( https://gyazo.com/61b134b746c3ac78c4a96b353dd69dbb)

 

I can say that image is not of a X1E3, since it's lacking the new f9-f11 function key assignments (notifications, call pickup, call end). Of the three original assignments, I liked the BT key, but oh well (the "user assigned" key cannot do it).

Modern standby is basically guaranteed (yuck). Still does not consistently work and just regresses to hibernate after a few hours. This even happens on MSFT's own first party hardware (Surface).

Comet Lake - junk CPU.
GTX1650Ti - copy+paste of Dell XPS15 specs in this department. Looks to basically be a 1650, as far as we're concerned.
CAT16WWAN is new, since the old X1E lacked the M.2 2242 (3042?) slot used by most WWAN cards. Unless if they are just sacrificing the second M.2 2280 slot, lol.
14 hours battery life MM14 - same claim as the current laptop. Expect 80Whr battery, again.
I'm not expecting much from speakers unless if they magically become top firing.

 

https://www.pcworld.co.nz/article/6...thinkpads-high-octane-ultra-performance-mode/
https://www.windowscentral.com/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-extreme-gen-3-coming-july-plenty-power
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-extreme-gen-3-refresh/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15858/lenovo-unveils-thinkpad-x1-extreme-gen3

All as expected.

 

I wouldn't say CometLake is junk, it's more an indication of how bad Bulldozer was than anything. That said I tip my hat to anyone who buys this thing, it needs come with a set of earmuffs and a portable battery brick. Having briefly owned the 4k X1E gen1 I don't see this laptop getting more than 4 hours of battery life tops. Attempting to cool this thing is going to be a nightmare unless they've radically updated the internals.

 

The only thing stopping me from purchasing X1E2 is its poor speakers. If they could make it as good as X1 Carbon Gen 7 speakers, I would be happy.

 

The temperature of my X1E2 is getting annoying. Really not properly usable on the lap. Anyone share that sentiment?

 

Time to repaste maybe?

 

what about x1 xtreme gen 3 battery? any idea?
Thanks!