Thinkpad X1 Carbon 2012

damnit Lenovo, why couldn't you have turned that mini Display port into a thunderbolt port??? What the hell would you have to lose? This is already a premium notebook anyway

 

Does anyone know more details about the screen on this thing? I've seen mixed answers on the display. The dummy models they were showing were gloss, yet the Lenovo rep said matte?

Also, will it be a 1920 x 1080 or 1600 x 900 display?

 

We're probably not going to know much until it's released and reviewed. Andrew, who has seen it, said it was above average, but what that means is anybody's guess. I believe it's HD+ in resolution.

 

According to this presentation the new x1 could have a 350 nit IPS display. Oh and 2 USB 3.0 ports.

 

Good find. But from what I'm seeing, it appears the current X1 has the 350 nit (1366x768), ips gloss display, while the x1 carbon will have a lower 300 nit (1600x900), but matte display. (no mention of ips)

 

Slide 4 of that presentation

 

That's strange since another slide shows this



Inconsistencies as usual to add to the confusion..

I hope they clear it up soon and we see this thing at Computex.

 

Slide 14 also mentions 300nit. Let's hope for the best, prepare for the worst? Either way, I'm fairly confident that the 1600x900 display on the x1c will be equal to or better than the display on my x220t.

 

The original X1 does not use an IPS panel, so that part on the slide is wrong. What else is also wrong?

 

X230/X230T should use 3rd generation CoreiSV, not 2nd generation.
X1 was 3.8lbs I think, anyways, it was definitely heavier than 3lbs.
On the X220, USB3 was an option on select configurations, not standard
The images are wrong.

don't see anything else.

I'm not saying they are out yet, but that is what Intel has told manufacturers they want to see.

So cheap + all metal? I doubt a cheap all metal chassis will be built as well as a premium all metal chassis. Whatever material is going to be used, provided manufacturers listen to Intel, we are going to end up with a lot of sub $600 ultracraptops.

 

nichomerri, thanks for the slides!

But I don't like what I read there...
No standard-voltage processor in the X1 carbon, what a pity:-(

I hope that there a still a lot of errors in the document.
Maybe we will see tomorrow, if that date isn't a fault as well;-)

cheers
Hecke

 

Intel requires all Ultrabooks to have ULV processors. Intel would miss out on all the marketing Intel is doing to push UBs if they didn't follow the guidelines.

Ultrabook - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

I'm starting to have my doubts that this X1 Carbon will have a display that matches the Asus. Though the slides we're seeing are inconsistent, it's not looking like we're going to see > 1600 x 900 or > 350nit. On top of that it won't be out until August.

The body of it is impressive though. I'd like to be proven wrong.

 

It was more of a rhetorical comment on my part: given how factually unreliable the PPT is, I don't think we can glean much useful information from it.

 

That was my feeling as well. The dates on the last slide do seem to correspond though.

 

yeah, themouse, I know.
That Lenovo is definitely marketing the X1 carbon as an Ultrabook is something I don't like. If they sell it under 1000 dollars, there must be some huge flaws in that machine.
So I'm crossing my fingers that there will be a non-Ultrabook version which does not make any compromise for a pure marketing term. We'll see.

cheers

 

the 1k price point now is just a recommendation, not a necessary qualification spec.

 

The slides are a mess. They have this stuff on slide 7:

Uh, marketing guys, come on!

 

ROFL !!! It's a placeholder waiting for someone to come up with a good number.

 

Name a single Ultrabook that is worth a damn for $1000.

More marketing. Also known as snake oil.

Lies, damn lies.

 

The one you own ... only it's not called an ultrabook.

 

If you scratch my back can I scratch yours?

 

Lead designer of the X1 Carbon, Hiroki Hirano, comments on its industrial design.

 

Great article. Thanks for posting. It seems he got a lot of inspiration from the Macbook Air. At least he admitted it. I respect that.

Looking forward to seeing the X1 Carbon. It's hard to wait until August though and I'm looking to jump on the new Asus Zenbook Prime when it launches this month.

 

I would buy a Zenbook Prime 13" if it had mini DisplayPort instead of mini VGA. Or Thunderbolt.

Since it doesn't, I can't use my Dell U2711 at full resolution.

 

I'd have 0 qualms about buying the X1 if it had thunderbolt. OK maybe the price, price may be a factor.

 

Apparently some guy on the Lenovo forums managed to order the X1 Carbon and is getting it on Tuesday.

 

I dunno how much I believe that. Lucky if he/she did get in on an order. Part of me thinks with how much all these OEMs get things off on their spec sheets, that they're sending them the old X1.

Then again someone said that to them and they responded saying they're sure it's a Carbon X1.

 

Supposedly he ordered 5/24 (which I doubt) and the new ship date is 6/29. If it is the X1 Carbon, the ship date will move every couple of weeks.

I hope the reviews of the carbon are as good as the pictures.

And I hope the price is right.

 

I was on lenovo sight a few weeks ago, and noticed the x1 carbon was buildable.

They then took it down later that day. It said, this product is only available to our partners atm.

I found it exceedingly odd.

 

Interesting. I guess that lines up with some others have been saying. Did you see any specs on the screen? Resolution? Brightness rating? etc. Thanks.

 

battery life of x1 carbon 3.5-4 hours. sucks.

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Is that their testing results or manufacturer rating? Ultrabooks must be rated at 5 hours+.

 

Apple put at least some of its cards on the table today. Lenovo, time to spill the beans on the X1 Carbon.

What kind of screen are you shipping on it?
Price?

 

I don't really see the link between Apple announces IVB lineup to Lenovo should tell us more about the X1C...

 

My guess is that the MBP probably stole some sales from the X1C. It's a much more attractive package to someone who is not otherwise tied to ThinkPads.

 

I tell you, I was looking for an ultraportable machine that can do video editing, and that new MacBook Pro 15" is...damn. I've never owned an Apple computer or iPhone before and I'm definitely leaning towards it, because of that display. It tops the Sony Vaio 13" 1080p, imo.

 

The display gives you as much screen realestate as the 1440x900 display before it. It just makes everything sharper. I would've wanted to see at least 3840x2160 so at least its on par with the T530 or SVS15 on actual usable screen real estate.

And the new MBP is not an ultraportable. It's a 4.4lbs behemoth, and besides the super awesome yet questionably useful screen, has little to show for all that extra weight. Why are we comparing it to the 3.0lbs X1C?

The new MBP isn't the new MBA. If the MBA got retina, that would be more fit to compare with the X1C.

btw, Sony's competitor to the new MBP isn't the SVZ13, its the SVS15. Also 4.4lbs, the S15 gives more screen realestate despite lower resolution and quality, has an optical drive, and enough ports. And costs a third as much.

For all its hype, the new MBP barely manages to keep up with what is basically last year's SE, which wasn't really all that great of a laptop even then, with a new CPU and GPU inside. Of course, Apple is Apple and will sell these things by the truckload anyways.

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that the MBP is an ultraportable. However, it's thinner than the x1c, has the retina, has a quad core full voltage CPU, Keplar, 16gb RAM, and Thunderbolt. There's quite a bit to show for the extra 1.4lb.

 

If the new MBP is not an ultraportable, why try and compare it to ultraportables?

It would be better to compare against the Thinkpad T430/s/T530, than the X1C.

 

Where did I say anything about a MacBook Pro?

I asked what screen is coming on the Carbon and I would like to see the price with whatever options are coming so I can make an informed choice. I would like to make a purchase soon for a thin and light travel machine and so far the Carbon is still right in the hunt.

However, if the Carbon ships with the same screen as my T420, doesn't have at least 8GB of RAM, and doesn't offer a 256GB SSD option, it's completely off my list. The carbon shell is cool but I want other features. And shipping is a feature. I don't want to wait until August. Certainly not for the information.

So the link is that I have fresh information on some machines with no such limits.

And you're right, I don't really consider the Pro Retina a good comparison with the X1 Carbon. But it is what the W530 should have been.

 

Naturally one might compare it to the T430s. But it's quickly realized that the T430s is just too thick for comparison. The only thing thinner is the X1 series.

The MBP fails to be an ultraportable on a two technicalities (weight & CPU). It won't be backed by Intel marketing. But from a consumer standpoint, it's the most comparable in terms of size. I may be wrong, but I think people care more about the size than the weight.

 

I certainly care much much more about the weight.
No considerations for size at all.

 

That entire post just makes you sound bitter, lol...

 

Portability is the issue. Bth are critical. I have had my eye on this x1 carbon as well and want to like it. I just have a nagging feeling that the display and battery life will drive me in another direction. Hopefully not.

 

It's at the top of my list. I'm hoping for a thin slice.

 

firstly, thanks everyone for posting the latest and greatest news for the X1C.

I have been keeping an eye on it for a while and I think it might be my update from the t420.My concern is the screen as its important to me (just an opinion).

I don't think its fair to compare the X1C to the new MPB in terms of spec and category but I do have to agree with some comments on here that the new MPB's offering sounds tempting.

For me it has a puts together a pretty impressive package all around(again don't hate on me its just an opinion). So, in saying that, I think its fair to compare laptops that are not necessarily in the same category/class; advantages vs compromises hold greater comparison values to me. I am still on the X1C side but I look forward to more details.

 

Lenovo hasn't said anything, but I'm practically guaranteeing that if those two aren't configurable options, you can upgrade to them yourself.

Even if the SSD is mSATA, 256GB mSATA SSD's have come out recently. 8GB of RAM can be done single stick.

I would say footprint and weight are important. Maybe for some thickness would be, but most people say they want a 15 inch laptop, maybe with a weight requirement, not that they want a 1 inch thick or less laptop.

With this in mind, I think the T430s and T430 are the best comparisons for the new MBP. They are similar in footprint and one is a bit heavier and the other is a bit lighter than the new MBP. The X1C is similar in footprint, but a pound and a half lighter.

It's like the traditional 15 inch MBP. It was often compared to much thicker 15 inch Windows machines like the W520, but it was in the same weight class and footprint. Not many people compared it to the X220, which is also an inch thick, because the X220 has a much smaller footprint and weight.

 

I hope they are CTO options and aren't ridiculously expensive. And I hope the RAM isn't soldered to the motherboard like the Samsung or Macs.

Where do you see a 256GB mSATA for sale? I am looking for one from Intel, Crucial or Samsung if possible.

 

Just a correction the new mbp retina display is actually rendering things on sizes of what you want it to. you can go as low as 1280*800 up to 1920*1080p, currently no one saw if its capable of more, or the actual res of the screen.