X1 Carbon Touch

The non-touch has been available in i7 8Gb since late November. I myself have an i7 8Gb 256Gb WWAN Premium HD+ configuration (although the Premium HD+ quality is debatable)

 

looks like that every body is now waiting to know more updates about X1 carbon touch, I also placed my order for X1C touch i7/8GB on Dec 13 with an estimated shipping date of Dec 23. Now I see other people just like me, all waiting to touch this touchy product in our hands with full details. reading the posts, I didn't see any one till now receiving the laptop and I want to ask anyone who get it in next few days to update the post and inform us all about the complete detail, as well as shipping date.

 

Pics or it didn't happen.

 

Further confusion. Just talked to a Project Manager at Lenovo services and they said IPS. This dis-information is crazy.

 

I think this weird disinformation comes from the terms "wide-viewing", which was used a long time for the X1 Carbon display. Perhaps many people at Lenovo think that it means IPS, so they say that the screen is IPS.

 

Well, except they use the term "IPS." Sometimes they're right and some times not.

The comparison table on the X-series product page states that the original X1C has "HD Display With IPS Wide-Angle Technology," which we know not to be true. Hover your curser over that language on the page and a pop-up states "Select Thinkpad X-series offer In-Plain Switching (IPS) LCS displays..." with the X1C and the X230 listed as having IPS displays. The same pop-up also states "Note: X1 Carbon Touch has wide-angle viewing but not IPS."

So really it's either disinformation or incompetence. Calling it benign confusion lets them off way too easy.

 

I called yesterday to cancel my order due to not knowing for sure if it has IPS.

The sales guy put me on hold and came back and promised that it will have IPS, so I took his name so when I get it and it does not have IPS I wont get hit with 15% restocking fee.
Who knows maybe it will have it?

 

Let's be clear: In this statement Lenovo affirmatively states that "wide-angle viewing" does not mean IPS.

 

No. Lenovo just states that the X1 Carbon Touch has Wide-Viewing, but not IPS. The X220 IPS has also the "wide-viewing" classification. IPS does not mean that the display isn´t wide-viewing.

 

Lenovo continues to test my patience. More than 3 weeks since my order was placed, with not a single order update or information. Repeated emails to Lenovo and internal contacts have gone unanswered, finally I was able to reach a manager who said the order process for the X1CT is mostly manual since they are switching ordering systems, which is why there's no way to track it online or get updates. But that doesn't help me at all.

Now Xmas vacations are almost here and I still don't have my laptop, and looks like I won't till next year. Pretty bad showing by Lenovo I must say.

 

I knew there was no way I would have the laptop in time for the holidays. Wasn't the initial shipping estimate the 21st when it first became available for order? At this point I just hope it doesn't arrive when I'm off for the holidays which is the most likely scenario. Since the status has been Released to Manufacturing I am sure attempting to cancel would be more trouble than it's worth especially since I do want the laptop. I don't blame Lenovo, I wouldn't have ordered it if I expected to receive it in time for leaving for the holidays.

If the Surface RT had supported Cisco VPN, no current support for Group Name/Secret, I would have picked one up to tide me over as I travel and hit airports.

 

@ibmthink All IPS screens are wide-viewing. However, saying a screen is wide-viewing does not necessarily mean it's IPS. As a general proposition I think we agree on this.

My point is some people in this thread and some Lenovo sales reps believe (or are hoping) that the term "wide-angle viewing" is 'Lenovo speak' for IPS. That the terms are interchangeable; That "wide-angle" = IPS. However, the statement about the X1CT shows that's not true. "Wide-angle" is not Lenovo speak for IPS.

I think the safe rule of thumb is that only products that are clearly labeled IPS in multiple places, like can be found on the X220 or the Yoga, should be considered IPS. When their products truly have IPS they're not shy about touting it. Only IPS means IPS.

 

I think originally Lenovo may have planned to use IPS display in the ThinkPad X1 Carbon, but for some reason that did not happen.

In my ThinkPad X1 Carbon, the screen is referred to as ThinkPad MaxBright Display 1600x900. We would only know for sure when we examine the pixel structure and the LCD spec list once the ThinkPad X1 Carbon Touch starts shipping to the regular customers.

 

Can you imagine Apple pulling a stunt like that? No way.

 

Well my credit card just got charged a few minutes ago, so does this mean it is shipping soon?

 

It should yes, within 24hrs.

I just checked and my card got hit also.

Hopefully we will have a good Christmas Gift

 

When was your order date?

 

Apparently some of you guys will receive the X1CT soon, then we can ask all of our questions.
Lenovo has started to show the product features step by step. Here is a video related to the new X1 carbon Touch model:

Lenovo X1 Carbon Touch - YouTube

It looks very amazing and I'm sure makes happy everyone

 

Order date and time: 12/11/12 4:49 PM

 

Question for the forum. My company is allowing me to trade in my X1C for an X1CT. I think i will do it, as for nothing else, the X1CT has a higher resale value. Would you guys do the same, or wait for some of the stuff down the pipeline in 2013. I dont really know what is coming out next year. This deal almost got my attention, but I might stick with Lenovo for now.

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Thoughts?

 

If it is for work I would stick with the X1 Carbon, if it is for play then I suppose a Zenbook would be fine. Going to Touch would really only matter if you want Windows 8.

 

I don't have a tracking number since mine is through an escalation case. But my supervisor just informed me that he's seeing a lot of tracking numbers showing an arrival through customs (Kentucky) around tomorrow or the day after. So he expects mine to ship out around that time. I hope to get it before next Friday.

 

If anyone has followed (and even purchased) the Thinkpad Twist, you will know that it uses a 45,000 wH battery as well as the carbon touch. And people are complaining that it is only getting 3.5 hours of battery life. I had sold my Yoga 13 some time ago to recoup my money for something more "business" oriented, but even the Yoga 13 had a 56,000 wH battery given it's size.

As for the screen, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't IPS. I noticed that it's only the laptops that folds into a tablet are given IPS screens since you'll be flipping it to different angles--Yoga 13, Lenovo Twist. That's why I suspect the X1CT will not have IPS. I certainly hope that I'm wrong though. But I'm afraid you can't defy the math of battery consumption

 

Just got charged too. Hope I see a status change soon!

Looks like the charge is gone now. Thinking of cancelling until I see the reviews and what's in store for 2013.

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Hi folks. New user on this forum. Ordered my X1 Carbon Touch last night in New Zealand. It was only listed here in the Lenovo online store just couple of days ago.

Only the i5, 4GB config avaiable with 128GB or 256GB SSD options. I upgraded the SSD to 256GB and bought the USB 2.0 to Ethernet adapter as well. All up incl NZ sales taxes I paid NZD$1900 which is roughly USD$1550. My model comes with the 3G modem built in which I did not really want but could not remove it either from the order.

My credit card has been charged today in the morning. Not expecting delivery before New Years anyways. Anyone in this forum actually has received their unit?

I see that couple of Microsoft employees on twitter pre-ordered their unit many months ago when it was made available to them to buy *secretly* and they really like theirs and reckon it's the best ultrabook in the market beating the likes of macbook air. Looking forward to mine and also looking forward to stick around the forums here a bit too.

 

Many of us are waiting for info about the display. Do you know if it is similar to the one on non-touch X1C?

 

3G isn't available on this in the us I don't think.....

 

I talked with one of the employees and his only Cons for the machine is the Display. It's not IPS, that's for sure. He said..

Saying that, his machine was wiped and loaded with custom image from MS IT department so drivers etc can play huge part here.

For me this is not an issue as X1 Carbon's display is pretty good according to me. Being a touch screen now, I am sure they optically bonded the touch screen with the LCD just like Microsoft did with the Surface. I noticed that all new Windows 8 touch screen machines are done this way. Have a feeling Microsoft told them to do this because the viewing angles and display looks much better this way.

 

Ok, so I am very itchy to pull the trigger and buy this thing from lenovo.com. There are two things stopping me right now.
a) I'm afraid it will soon be available for less at other retailers.
b) If not cheaper, they might still have better customer support / return policy, as it seems lenovo's is pretty terrible.

What do you guys think?

 

Lenovo has a good no questions asked return policy right now until 12/31. See the banners on the lenovo.com buying site. They are combining that with free expedited shipping.

 

For those that ordered, maybe we can share our Order Status information so everyone can see the progress of the orders?

For me:

Unit Ordered: X1 Carbon TOUCH w/ i7, 8gb, and 240GB HDD

Order Date: 12/11/2012
Expected Ship Date: 12/21/2012
Status: Released to Manufacturing

Then:

Expected Ship Date: Changed to 12/23/2012
Status: Released to Manufacturing

Now:

Expected Ship Date: Changed to 12/26/2012
Status: Changed to In Production

So it looks like the expected ship date slipped by a few days .. Hopefully it ships this week and arrives next week!

 

That's true! Thanks for pointing that out. I guess in that case it's worth the risk. By the way, does anyone how easy it is to find SSDs with the kind of connector that X1 has? It's kind of proprietary, it seems? Or at least very non-standard (of course, assuming that the touch version has the same one)?

 

It's absolutely non-standard. I had to replace a 128Gb one recently for a customer, and form factor and interface are nothing like I've seen before.

 

But of course.. And they are overcharging like crazy (or rather, like always) for the higher capacity SSDs. It would be nice if people who already have their unit (or will have it soon) could at least confirm if they're all Sandisk (lenovo site does not specify, save for one "Intel 240GB FDE" option - which I have no clue about, either). I've heard the U100 is pretty bad but I don't know about their other models.

 

It is similar to the Apple MacBook Air, ASUS and some of the other gumstick designs found in the new age ultrabooks.

 

So there's no hope for future upgrades, you think? I don't want to be stuck with 128GB but I also don't want to pay $300 extra for 256GB...

 

you can upgrade but you will either have to buy direct from lenovo or maybe find one floating around on ebay? But these SSD are lenovo only. This is why I went ahead and got the 256.

 

Get the 240. It's cheaper and almost as big.

 

I could probably live with the 180GB SSD but I would probably opt for the 240 as well.

 

Yeah, that seems to make the most sense.

 

By the way, I saved a cart on lenovo.com, and the next day they sent me an email with a link that supposedly applies a 10% off coupon. However, when I click on it, it just opens up the cart, without any discount applied. Has this happened to anyone? Maybe someone knows the actual code that gives you the discount? 10% would be quite significant on a $2k machine.

 

Talked to a Lenovo rep who mentioned while the 240GB was an Intel drive, the 256 was a Samsung

 

Hm.. Did he mention the exact models? I guess the Samsung must be 830 (840 would be too good, probably) and the Intel could be 330 or 520. From what I've seen on forums, they all seem to be pretty good. Anyone care to comment?

 

I know this topic has been beaten to death by now but still: Once the first X1CT arrives can someone post how the screen quality is? I know that by now it's not IPS but I'm worried because of the screen door effect. Already returned my T430s because of that and would hate to go through the same gruesome process... the screen is pretty the much the only thing that keeps me from ordering it..

 

Just tried placing an order but couldn't. Maybe because of the holidays, although I would've thought it was automated.

 

Unfortunately they couldn't find the actual model number. I went with the 240 just because of a personal affinity toward Intel SSDs (used them exclusively in the past on all my machines) and it was a little cheaper, and the extra 16GB is pretty negligible for me.

 

This screen has me so bummed out. Even the Lenovo Twist ($700) got a nice brilliant screen...Why the Freak not the X1C's....uggg.....

 

I know. Since my order didn't go through, I took a step back and re-evaluated some other options. One viable alternative seems to be the Yoga. The screen is slightly smaller (13") but also 900p, probably glossier than X1 (but it's not like X1 is matte anyways) but IPS, which is awesome. Luminosity seems to be similar. Also, Yoga is upgradable in terms of RAM & 2 mSata SSDs... I think it might come down to the battery life in this case. This is another thing that would great to hear about from some of the new owners.

 

Yeah, I was thinking about revisiting that one too. Considering they are the same weight, and the yoga has a better screen, better battery life, hdmi, and I do think there is at least some usefuless to the twisting screen (read books/comics/movies/mags) on occasion, it seems like it might have more value than a carbon fiber shell and rapid charge and 1". What else does the Carbon have going for it, or the Yoga lack? Especially since the Yoga is considerably cheaper. I do notice that the Yoga doesn't have a backlit keyboard (major bummer) and supposedly the trackpad and keyboard are much worse, but I can't keep thinking that the X1C didnt feel like an upgrade from my old laptop because the screen sucked and the size didnt feel THAT much smaller. I feel like Im going to need an IPS to justify a laptop upgrade at this point, otherwise, it just feels like an incremental step and 6 months later they will all be IPS.

 

I, too, am considering the Yoga but I'm concerned about the single-channel ram, limited color gamut of the screen albeit ips, and the supposed excessive fan noise.