Yoga 2 Pro Release Thread

This article has some good tips: How to Extend Laptop Battery Life: 20 Steps (with Pictures)

Also, there is a feature in the Energy Manager settings for Express Charge so if you are at the airport you could get a full charge in 100 minutes.

 

I wouldn't use this for long flights... thats what tablets are for.

 

The high performance mode shows a much brighter yellow, although still green-tinged. Thanks for the tip!

 

Well now I am concerned to have a closer yellow I could be stuck with a 2-3 hour battery..... not good. Has anyone ran a battery test with max power to see how long I can expect using this half fix??

 

Yes posted on previous page. For me, I probably will not run on battery normally at max performance since I probably won't be doing things that need that level of color rendering. I am hoping this is not Lenovo's permanent fix but a temporary work around.

Quote Originally Posted by TWhiteInCO View Post
Using the Performance setting with 100% brightness gave me just 3 hours 44 minutes of battery life compared to the 6 hours and 50 minutes I got last night at 50% brightness.

Tammy

 

I am assuming she was not running max power setting last night.... WOW.... no way is this fix to get semi-accurate colors and only 3 hours battery going to work for most people.

 

My advice is to set the resolution down to the resolution the movie you're watching. I would assume you're watching a 1080p movie so might as well turn down the Y2P's res to that res since there is no point of watching it for 6 hours at 3200x1800.



Its also worth nothing how the VAIO Pro 13, which has 4740mAh battery gets a 8 hour battery life from a video playback loop from Engadget. Odd indeed!

 

That is true but, I think you're missing a bigger picture here. The fact that changing settings from Lenovo's app drastically changed the yellow rendering means a permanent software fix COULD be done by Lenovo. Clearly, no one would use that setting on-the-go just to get proper yellow. However, when you're at home and plugged in, why not stay at performance mode?

 

Hey everyone,

Sorry if this question has already been answered, I was looking through thread and did not notice but I may have missed it.

Question:

Everything on internet explorer is extremely tiny, seems my scaling is not quite working. Seemed to work when I first was using it then suddenly everything was super tiny. Do not believe I changed anything. Any help would be great, driving me crazy when trying to get stuff done. Having to zoom on everything!

Thanks!

 

I get what you are saying, unfortunately it's not just yellow. The white level is messed up somehow and is affecting all colors i'm sure. I am hopeful that a software fix comes out. I just want that software fix to not affect the battery life by half. Just want Lenovo to know that any software fix cannot include a 3 hour loss of battery life. The more info I can give Lenovo, the better chance we have of a permanent fix sooner rather than later. Since the return window is limited, the proper fix needs to be out prior to that. Otherwise, a lot of ppl will return because they won't want to chance Lenovo fixes it eventually and then doesn't. I would venture that those same people might purchase another device shortly after returning the yoga. In the end, the fix would be too late for most people who won't buy 2 devices. Not against anyone who is ok with the device the way it is, I am one of many who are not is all. I waited for this for so long and was so excited about getting it but I have a limit of what I will accept and no fix prior to return window closing is not one of them.

 

control panel/appearance and personalization/display
make sure slider is all the way to the right where it says larger

 

After turning on the high performance setting in energy manager I set the power plan back to balance. I'm getting about 5 hours and 11 minutes estimated at 93 percent remaining with wifi on. The brightness of the screen is also at 50-60 percent.

 

As you can see from jcrbandit's post, there is a huge difference between his yellow @ regular setting vs yellow @performance. TWhiteInCO's post seems to have a greenish tint on his image both on the Y2P and his desktop. At the middle is a yellow from my Sony Vaio F22 (TN-panel). Is it safe to assume that IPS panels tends to produce greenish yellows than non-IPS ones?

 

I can't say that this temporary fix makes me that optimistic. The way I see it, these 3200x1800 displays are too much to handle while trying to maintain good battery life at the same time. They're already having to use the RGBW subpixel arrangement to maintain acceptable brightness levels without having to turn up the backlight too much. But RGBW has less subpixel density than regular RGB, so the side effect is that colors are suffering. The solution right now is to turn that backlight right back up which, of course, drains the battery.

 

Very technical insight. However, The Samsung AB9+ has the same resolution but does not have any color rendering issues, plus it gets an hour more battery life than Y2P. Thanks to Samsung and Lenovo, or maybe to SHARP (if the panel is indeed IGZO) for now we have a pixel density and battery life similar to a smartphone!

 

Thanks for the recommendation. I did try that and had no luck. Not sure if I did something or not but when I go to google for example the logo is literally like an half an inch and the text box is almost invisible. Even the address bar and tool bar is unreadable.

 

I tested this method turning off sleep and once you close the lid, it still requires the following to make the color look better.
1st, you select max power here as highlighted shows


Then you close the lid, turn the pc off, walk away etc and you come back to bad colors so you have to click on any lower setting as highlighted shows


Then finally you have to re-select the high performance setting as highlighted shows


And now you have truer colors. Also, after testing this for a while and getting the procedure down the other colors, blue, red, green, orange, all of them have a huge amount more "pop" and this display really shines like I expected it to.
A lot of people seem to think your only losing yellows, but that is not the case. Yellow has been brought up so much because that is the worst offender of all the colors, and easiest to show an example of the problem, but all the colors are still affected to some extent. Once you change to max performance setting you will see the incredibly beautiful pop this res can offer and you won't go back to the settings your looking at now.

 

Did you click the box below that slider that says "only make text bigger" perhaps?

 

I didn't fully understand the procedure. So I have a few questions:

1) Laptop going to sleep reverts back to a regular power setting?
2) If Yes, then you would have to manually set it back to performance? And every time it goes to sleep you would have to redo this?

 

You have to buy one that looks like this, like what ksdehoff mentioned in post 592.

 

Laptop is set to never sleep. I close the lid/ or even just let the screen saver come on and max performance setting resets automatically to something else, even though it is still highlighted and showing to be "on". It actually is NOT "on", so you have to select a lower setting so you can re-select max performance to get it back like it was prior to sleep. And you have to do this every time....

 

I do not have a check box there.... only check box is "Let me choose one scaling level for all my displays."

Tried resetting the laptop to factory settings and it was fine for a minute then when to tiny mode again. quite frustrating

 

Thanks! Looking at the one you specified, yeah that does sure look like the proper match for what is in his photos.

And it's odd, just looked again at the hardware maintenance manual to confirm that it indeed refers to it as a PCIe mini card, even though the pictures in there also clearly match that M.2 format.. no wonder people were misled, they seem to have misidentified it in the manual as well.

Just noticed mention though of the practice of whitelisting WiFi cards in a laptop bios; hopefully if the Y2P does so, it at least includes the dual band ac version of the 7260.. guess we'll find out once you get yours.

 

You are correct I stated the wrong name..... looks like the title bars will be changed to a smaller setting if you click that box and have a small font chosen. Just wanted to make sure it was not selected.

 

Also, when I open IE from within windows, it is also tiny, but when I select IE through metro, it looks fine with 200% scaling

 

looks like i got the text good. Seems to be just the toolbars in Windows. I use RoboForm for password management and I dont see toolbars in Metro IE.

 

If you're disabling the white subpixel to get accurate color, you're left with 4800 subpixels per line, while a full RGB version at that res would have 9600 subpixels per line. So this monitor only has half the detail I initially though it would have.
Also, by wasting space with an unused white subpixel, you're throwing out at least a quarter of the brightness or efficiency you could get from a traditional RGB stripe pattern.

White subpixels only make sense if:
Color Accuracy and saturation don't matter OR
Each pixel/subpixel has it's own backlight, like LG's new OLED TV.

 

Has anyone tried doing a run down test of battery life at 1080p resolution? I see no point of watching lets say two 1080p movies for 6 hours with the res set at 3200x1800. The Y2P has been rated by Lenovo for 6 hours playing 1080p video.

Thanks in advance!

 

Who told you the AB9+ doesn't have the same problem? There are people in this thread who have both and say it's just as bad. In fact you can go to that thread now and the last post talks about trying to find a similar setting to this Yoga setting to fix the problem on the AB9+.

 

I tried that and couldn't get it to work.

 

I'm also looking for a solution to reverse two finger scrolling. I know 13 had the option to reverse it in the touchpad settings but it's omitted on the Pro.

 

That works. Make sure you find the correct key and of course reboot after changing it.

 

Anyone know of a way to reduce the screen brightness further than what's allowed if I "enable adaptive brightness" in Power Options? The screen brightness goes lower if I enable adaptive brightness than if it's not enabled but the lowest brightness setting without adaptive brightness enabled is too bright for me to work in a dark room. I wouldn't mind keeping adaptive brightness enabled but the screen brightness constantly fluctuates (like the screen is possessed) from bright to not so bright even if my room remains completely dark. Thanks in advance.

 

Ah, sorry... I changed the wrong one. It works great now. Thanks!

 

Right, also note exactly what the Lenovo rep said. He wasn't saying performance mode was a fix. He said:

"We will continue looking into this and I hope to have more to share sometime next week..

In the mean time, if you set Lenovo Energy Management to Performance mode (especially while on AC) do you see an improvement in the yellow?"

The fact that enabling performance mode gives a huge improvement is very promising that something further can be done.

 

Hi Y2P Guys,

I am from germany, and we are all still wait for the release of the Y2P,

I know the Y2P is not a Gaming device, but have anyone make some benchmarks of gaming on the Y2P ? I like to know if CS:GO is working also on the Y2P. Perhaps someone can make a Youtube video of Gaming withe the Y2P and the HD4400.

 

there have been screenshots comparison a few pages before this page. Energy Manager has a direct effect on how the laptop displays colours. un-Installing it would still make the laptop display the horrible yellows by the way.

 

I sure wish this was the case for me. I had to lower resolution to read anything. The text was all good but the menu was unreadable. Apps like adobe do not seem to scale for me. Only way to fix was change my resolution

 

On the screen

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Can someone comment further on battery. I've saw one longesh review that suggest the Yoga had better battery life than the samsung 9b; but several later comments that it was not as good. My primary concern is if I want to watch a movie or similar on a long flight (6+ hours) if the battery is good for that. I've been debating between this (much cheeper than the samsung 9+); sony pro 3 and asus if they release it soon enough. I do more than watch movies so having a nice keyboard/track ball is nice but with regards for super long battery life it is when on an airplane that I am concern....

 

Personally, I'd suggest anyone who doesn't need this laptop - return it. There are far too many issues with it as of today:

1.) Sporadic fan noise. They go up and down and up and down.
2.) Suspect build quality. My top row of keys rubs against the casing and make a crunching sound when you press them.
3.) Suspect drivers:
a.) The color problems.
b.) Not being able to reverse scrolling direction on the trackpad.
c.) Not being able to fully turn off automatic brightness, even with the setting turned off.
d.) Really sporadic wifi connection, even with the latest drivers.
4.) Suspect fans. I've had several exchanges, one for the right fan grinding, and one for the left fan making a high-pitched buzzing sound.
5.) Really uneven keyboard backlighting. My "N" key has a searing bright LED under it that illuminates it twice as bright as any other key.

It's a REAL shame since the Yoga 2 is so well priced at Best Buy right now. I know the ATIV Book 9 Plus is much more expensive, but I'd be willing to bet anything the build quality is significantly better (I've not used one, though..).

It's even more of a shame since the Yoga 2 can be used as a tablet whereas the ATIV can't, so the Yoga 2 really is unique.

If I sound bummed, it's because I've been through three systems and all three have various build quality issues - even aside from the drivers/color nonsense. I mean heck, you can't even use the display for photo editing which was my primary purpose.

And all these issues are aside from Windows 8.1 which absolutely blows goats. Want to forget a wireless network you're connected to? You have to do it from the command prompt.. Want to delete a wireless network? Command prompt. No, you CANNOT right click the network you're connected to and delete it. On Windows 8.1. on this laptop, the only option is "Disconnect" when you right click the network. When the little things don't work, oh it makes me so mad..

Bleh... I'm a sad panda.

 

So far from my experiences I haven't had any issues with mine, other than the known color problems. No problems with build quality, fan noise, or wifi. The color thing bugs me but only because everything else thus far has been perfect. That said I haven't even considered returning mine. This is a casual/personal use laptop and to me it fits the bill perfectly. If you are wanting this laptop for it's tablet functionality than I definitely recommend at least trying it.

 

Most of the problems you mention I believe are related to ONLY your machine. I have the color issue as everyone does but not one of the others.

 

Seems the best thing to do is give it a shot and return it if I'm not happy.

I'd note that supply is super thin and the best buys i spoke with all said that they have no eta on new deliveries, which generally happens with a SKU is either being discontinued or replaced..perhaps the $1200 BB deal was a temporary fluke?

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If you're OS agnostic I'd say it comes down to this:

-MBA is the better laptop
-Y2P gives you the multimode form factor with a very high resolution

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Well the driver issues are easily fixable. I do agree with (5), the backlighting for the keyboard is uneven and will be my only big dislike once the color issue gets fixed (assuming that Lenovo fixes the color issue but since it is at least temporarily fixable by software I am hopeful ;p). I have not had any fan or wifi issues, but I have not had the laptop in a truly quiet environment to test it. In a "regular" noise environment, I don't even notice it. As for the top row of keys, only my escape key is problematic like that.

 

Ya, don't buy a laptop with a 3200x1800 resolution

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Yeah in a regular noise environment the fans aren't noticeable. At home, sitting at my desk, they drive me nuts.

No, they're not just unique to my machine. Perhaps not all machines, but certainly not just mine. But if you don't notice the issues, that's fine. Like I said, it's just not a buy TODAY. Maybe next month the qc issues will be addressed.

 

in case anyone wants to see what it looks like inside with a video, I got the $999 bestbuy one yesterday and took it apart.

here's the video:
Lenovo 2 PRO Unboxing & Teardown & Upgrade How-to - YouTube

 

1) I notice some fan noise but it seems quieter than my 15" MacBook Pro Retina so I can't complain.
2) No issue here with key rubbing
3)
a) I have the same color issues as everyone on this forum...this is definitely a problem with all the machines.
b) I'm glad I'm not the only one having this problem. I searched all over the internet to find out if it was a universal issue or just my computer.
c) Again, same issue here. Another gripe is that the screen will dim down further than the lowest dimming setting (10-point dimming) under automatic dimming than if it wasn't activated. It's as if there are 2 or 3 more dimming options below the lowest 10-tiered setting when it's activated.
d) No issues here with wifi connections yet.
4) Again, fans not any louder than my MacBook Pro Retina so not an issue for me.
5) AGREED. The first thing I noticed when I laid down in bed with my Y2P was that the N Key is blindingly bright; at least 50% brighter than any other key. It's so annoying that I am forced to turn off the backlight altogether when working in a dark room. It doesn't help that there is no dimming setting on the backlit keyboard like my MacBook has. It's either off or in sear mode.