Yoga 2 Pro Release Thread

I bought the samsung ativ 7 for $999 a week ago then got a Y2P 2 days ago. I'm keeping the y2p and returning the samsung. Display quality was my number 1 priority when shopping for a notebook and y2p is leagues ahead of the 1080p res on the samsung. That plus the i7 runs circles around the i5 3337u. When comparing them side by side the samsung appears to have warmer colors, but aside from the darker yellows i prefer the Y2P. It's really only noticable in static images. I'm not sure if thats due to video enhancements or what but when comparing videos i'm seeing much more accurate colors on the y2p. The 1080p display on my htc one is the most accurate color producing lcd display i've ever seen next to my 70" sharp aquos tv. Looking at static colors side by side yellow is the only color that appears slightly dimmer. Any other color including orange looks nearly identical. I'd be more concerned about this if the dim yellow actually affected things like skin tone but it doesn't.

I'm pretty confident the yellow issue will be worked out, ideally from a firmware patch as we've already seen improvement by switching to performance mode. Worst case scenario they'll deem it a panel issue and they'll most likely replace it under the warranty. Not a bad deal for $1200 as any other notebook with these specs and resolution costs easily twice as much.

My y2p has no issues with fan noise, it's completely silent 90% of the time in laptop mode, no ticking, squealing, grinding etc. My top row of keys is fine.. exact same amount of travel as the rest of them. Not sure about the rest of you but i am very happy with my purchase.

Oh and about inverting the scroll thing. I prefer scrolling the way it is but has any one tried installing the generic synaptic drivers? Most likely they will provide an option to switch scrolling direction.

Keyboard backlight - All my keys are lit pretty much the same, perhaps the bottom row is slightly brighter than the top row but my N key is the exact same brightness as the keys around it. My windows logo is what stands out the most because it has the biggest area for light to pass through..

also for those having trouble with chromes lack of touch screen support try installing canary. It has no high res issues, pinch scaling, and the keyboard even auto pops up when clicking a field.

 

I not sure if I have a problem when I adjust the display brightness. On the lowest setting the display go completely off. The next to the last setting is also brighter then what I would like in a dim room. I've had several other laptops and none of them went completely off on the lowest brightness setting. Is this normal for the Y2P.

 

If I had as many issues as you do with yours I'd be a sad panda too. I'm fortunate that I don't. The color issue and the occasional drops of wifi are the only issues/problems I have at this time. My fans are whisper quiet and I don't have any problems with the top row of keys and my backlighting seems very even. Sounds like your machine should not have made it through quality control. I also have the AB9+ and it truly is a higher quality machine, but I am going to sell it and keep the Y2P because I want the tablet functionality. If I could come up with ANY justification for keeping both I would.

 

I think we should start up an owner's thread. The release thread is getting pretty inundated with technical issues and the like.

 

I think i solved disabling auto brightness not working

graphics properties / power / disable power saving technology set to off

seems to work for me so far haven't noticed the brightness changing yet

 

PLEASE TAKE THIS WITH A GRAIN OF SALT. Don't miss out on a beautiful laptop. If you're on the fence, just pick one up at BestBuy. You can try it for 15 days and decide how major these issues really are, if they exist at all. Most people are extremely happy with this laptop, as am I.

1. no issue
2. no issue
3. no issue
a. I have this problem too, but I wouldn't have noticed had the issue not been beaten to death in this thread. This is important for graphic artists, but it is obviously fixable thru a software update. This is the one issue that may be a deal breaker for people depending on how you use the laptop and how much faith you put in Lenovo to fix it. But in the end, as of today, people are able to get around it with a settings tweak.
b. I was put off by this at first, but I adapt fast and simply learned the new way and I actually prefer it. Think about it, this is how Macs scroll (seeing how you have a myriad of Apple products I'm surprised this is an issue for you), it's how you scroll on your phone, and it's how you scroll via touch on the laptop. Yes, there should be a setting, but it makes sense that this is the way it functions. A fixable issue.
c. This is actually a little annoying, but also fixable.
d. no issue
4. no issue
5. My "n" key is brighter than the others, but this is being blown way out of proportion. It is hardly searing. I was coding last night for 6 straight hours in the dark and didn't even notice until I checked this thread this morning. Maybe I was too thrilled with the typing experience itself. I have to stop reading this thread XD

I'm keeping it.

 

Just to balance things out, I've had none of these issues other than the color thing which I personally see as way overblown. I'm quite happy with the machine.

 

Anybody have an issue with the charms bar not opening when sliding from the right side? (other than me)

 

I realize I'm pickier than most. For me, it went back to the store. The scrolling is super annoying reversed. I own a Mac and use it every day, and yes - out of the box the scrolling is set this (ridiculous in my opinion) way. You can, however, change it with one simple setting, a setting that's not there on the Lenovo.

 

I agree it is time for a new thread. This one is getting WAY out of hand. Some of the negative comments here are even settings on Windows. I own several different tablets and laptops and this one is a keeper for me. The screen is wonderful, and once we get a color fix it will be spectacular. It is thin and light, and works very well for me. With patches, updates, and the work of someone willing to take a bit of time to tweak things instead of looking for something to criticize this is a very nice laptop tablet combo.

Honestly I come to this site a lot for some pretty good information but sometimes people here go too far, and this has become one of those times.I hope someone starts a new thread because I am out of this one

 

What exactly makes your post praising a device more valid than another's post being critical of the device? And how are some of these posts not helpful, pointing out potential/actual pitfalls of the Yoga 2?

If you read even some of the posts here, the issues being pointed out are NOT just settings in Windows. They're settings that simply aren't there.

I agree that we need an owner's thread. But your post is ridiculous, and extremely hypocritical. I say that with love, of course.

 

Can you replace the Wifi card?

 

Can anyone comment on gaming and battery life and watching videos? Those are some things not really addressed here and I'd like a little bit more information before pulling the trigger. I've ordered mine but could just as well return it after finding out more details.

Also, any professional reviews out there yet?

 

And what is OK with the other post telling everyone else to take there's back?

Some of us aren't having all these problems and love this machine.

I'm not taking mine back thank you

 

It is easy to physically replace, but we still don't know if the replacement is limited to a White Paper specification in the Bios. Even if it is limited by the bios, the variants of the 7260 may still be accepted. I dont really care about wireless AC, but it would be nice to be able to access the 5 ghz wireless N with a replacement 7260 card.


Oh for the web-browser, try replacing Chrome with Chrome Canary - it has much better touch support than the regular version of Chrome.

Also, I understand that is stupid for Lenovo to not have the "reverse" two finger scrolling option in the Synaptic drivers, but the current method feels more natural to me. I do like having the mouse inverted for playing FPS, though.

 

OK, just got my Y2P and I gotta say guys - this thing is a beast.

1) Screen "yellow" issue. Yes, it's real. Yes, it appears to be directly related to the power-saving profile in use by Lenovo. I'm sure this will be patched as it appears to be a relatively simple thing to fix, but more than that, I DON'T CARE. The screen is gorgeous. Superb viewing angles, very bright, and the resolution also obviously makes for a delightful experience.

2) Uneven keyboard backlight. Yup, also true. But barely noticeable. The N key gets a bit more love than the rest of the keyboard. Do I care? Nope.

3) Fan noise. Haven't noticed a fan yet - and I'm using it while charging under high performance mode.

4) Build Quality. I find the build quality to be great overall. The base weight distribution is great, and it's very solid feeling, zero flex. The display hinges are tough and very reassuring. My only negative point on the build quality would have to go to the display - it flexes a little and at the same time can show the "rainbow effect" on the display as the LCD is being applied pressure, which makes me worry about changing orientations. The workaround for the display flex is to open and close it from the top and not the sides.

5) Keyboard & Trackpad. Keyboard is wonderful to type on. I had reservations at first as the travel is a bit shallow, but typing is very satisfying. I love the keyboard. No stuck, obstructed, or otherwise bad keys. The track pad would be perfect, save for two things (one easily fixed, the other permanent): The two-finger scrolling, while executed beautifully smooth, is in reverse from what most of us are used to, similar to how Macs now default to "natural scrolling". I disable this on my Mac and I WISH I could disable it on my Y2P - but I can't find an option to do so. Finally, the track pad itself is coated in a somewhat grippy coating, which while very comfortable to the touch, can cause finger friction at times, meaning my fingers don't glide across the pad as well as on a Mac. Still, the overall implementation of the track pad is the best I've used on a non-Apple product yet.

6) Backlight bleed. I know, I know. It's a PLS (IPS derivative) display. Backlight bleed is going to happen at high brightness on a black screen. I still don't like it though. On the positive side, I am *not* experiencing the issue another member had written regarding non-uniform backlighting - the screen is lit very well, with no one area being darker than the other.

Other than that, I am thoroughly impressed. It was between this and an MBA or MBP 13" refresh, but I *really* wanted to this particular convertible style. Love love loving it so far. The only thing that could dissuade me keeping this right now would be if I find the battery life to be lacking - To be determined!

 

Would something like the fix in this article work for reverse scrolling? I don't play with Hot Keys and don't know if this is a workable solution or not for Win 8.1 but thought it was worth a shot.

How to reverse scroll in Windows like OS X Lion | How To - CNET

 

Also, the coupon code SCOUTS isn't working anymore. Anyone have any others I can use instead?

 

Just picked up a i7/256/8GB Yoga 2 Pro from best buy - ask away with any questions. In the meantime here is a quick device manager screenshot

 

Where is that setting?

 

One more thing everyone. An issue that made me hold back on getting one of these was the memory bandwidth. There was a lot of talk about this system sporting a single channel memory configuration, which while fine for most tasks, would bring this thing to its knees for anything graphic related. I'm not saying I plan on playing crysis on this thing, but I'd like to make sure that the machine I'm buying is running an optimized configuration, making full use of the hardware installed.

The Y2P is not disappointing me in that regard. This thing is not only running a dual channel memory config, but running at 1T cmd rate out of the box.

The attached image is a quick memory benchmark taken while on battery, and running in "balanced" mode. I'm sure this would be higher with the power attached and on performance mode, but the figures show a very capable memory configuration:

 

I have been testing HD video playback, so far the max I have gotten based on 2 hour video playback at screen 40% brightness at 1920x1080 res and cpu at max 40% used 34% battery, so to 0 battery would take about 6 hrs.
I am not a gamer, but you would get no where close to those times for games due to most likely having to us high performance mode for gaming.

 

Intel graphics properties (right click desktop) / power / battery

You'd think since you have to click on battery it doesn't affect ALS when plugged in but it appears to

 

I agree with you William G.
The fact that Lenovo releases a super high end res screen that doesn't even have a yellow(puke green) is ridiculous.
And if we had not beat it to death on here, Lenovo reps would not have sent the problem to engineering already.
I disagree that the color issue is only a problem for graphic designers. I am not any kind of designer but I damn sure want yellow to be yellow. And what about us excel/word users. What about people that look at pictures. What about people that use this daily as a consumption device and spent 1200 bucks or more to consume? I have a small return window so the fact that we have Lenovo working on this already ensures Lenovo's best chance for the yoga 2 to be a success. Yes the Lenovo rep already msg'd me in the thread I started at the Lenovo forums that he was reading through this forum to identify and confirm the issues. The fact that 100% of the Yoga's have this is an important fact in them fixing it.
I have used the temp fix Lenovo gave and it changes MORE than just yellows. It fixes ALL the colors. And the display looks absolutely amazing across all screens, all colors when this is active. If more people would do the temp fix and see the actual difference, they would not be able to go back to "the default is good enough" argument because the lesser would be unacceptable to them as well.
And why people are saying this is overblown is beyond me. Do you own stock in Lenovo and are trying to downplay this very real problem that all of us are facing??? The comments I am seeing now are starting to look like the iphone 5 people with no substance to their argument that iphone is the best. Just sheep saying the iphone is the best, the yoga 2 is just fine the way it is. If you are happy with your device the way it is, by all means enjoy it. But don't come on the forum where many of us have spent countless hours the past few days posting for the simple reason of helping others receive a fix that would benefit everyone, even the naysayers. And if and when the fix comes out I'm sure those same people will take advantage of the fix.
As Jack Nickolson once said. You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. I'd rather you just said thanks.......

 

And one more thing while I'm at it. When you implement the temp fix from Lenovo to fix the color issue....the one that requires you to turn max settings on, then off, then on again every time it sleeps, the battery life is 3 hours and some change..... Once you see THAT for yourself, I bet you won't be bragging about how great this $1200 device is then.

 

Doing what, streaming 1080p video at max brightness? You can apply your own power plan after setting max performance in energy manager and still have the color fix.

Doing some browsing at 50% brightness (w/ the temp fix) i got a full charge down to about 80% after an hour + 20 min. Which is on the way to well over 6 hours of battery life.

Again i wouldn't say the dim yellow is a non issue but when people are saying its a deal breaker is just ridiculous. No doubt lenovo wouldn't already be looking into without everyone complaining thus far but just because we still love this device despite it's defects doesn't equate us to uninformed iSheep. And this is probably my 5th time saying it in this thread but good luck getting a 4th gen i7 + 256gb ssd + this high resolution in this price range before 2014 if not Q2 2014 at least.

 

My i7/8GB/512GB is coming next week. I used the 'SCOUTS' discount and was happy to see it shipped 2-day on Friday.

I was relieved when I heard the 'Perf' setting fixes the yellows. I understand it is a pain to deal with now, but the fact it can be fixed gives my high hope a SW fix can make this display mode the default across all of the power profiles.

 

Once again misinformation being spread. Unless you never want to be able to close your lid, or let the pc sleep, or turn it off, or let the screensaver come on, you won't just set it and go. You will be forced to re-do the temp fix every time one of those common expected actions listed above happens.
Before you come here and state facts, please do your due diligence as people will read what you say and assume you have actually done that.
If you just set it and stay on for 6 hours without allowing the actions above to happen, then sure you might get that battery life. But a lot of us actually want screen saver, sleep, lid closing, turning off functions since we may not be able to sit for 6 straight hours. Cup of coffee, screensaver....re-do the fix. Boss calls you to his office...re-do the fix. Need to take a crap....re-do the fix. Close the lid when someone comes to your desk....re-do the fix. God forbid I want to turn it off for a bit... you guessed it...re-do the fix. You have to spell it out for sheep I guess since you obviously have not thought about any of those normal daily activities transpiring. We don't want to have to turn the fix on, then off, then on again just to get the device to work somewhat as expected. And the worst thing is, all we are trying to do is get Lenovo to fix it PRIOR to our return window closing. You said Lenovo would be looking into it without all this fuss? Tell that to people who bought other manufacturers' devices and thought "surely they will address this" and never did 2 years later.

 

Just curious but if you return your yoga 2 what laptop would you buy instead? With the 20% SCOUTS discount (no longer valid by the way), theres no other ultrabook on the market that comes close to the specs you can get on the yoga 2. $1320 for i7-4500u, 8 gb RAM, 512 GB SSD, 3200x1800p resolution, backlit keyboard, thin and light.

I've been keeping a close watch on other premium ultrabooks being released and everything is so ridiculously overpriced.

The new Dell XPS 15: if you want a SSD you're forced to buy the top end model for $2300 base price... lol no thanks.
Asus Zenbook UX301: $2200 for i7-4558U, 8 gb RAM, 512 gb SSD, 2560x1440p. Beautiful design but are you really willing to pay $2200 for an ultrabook with intel graphics?

Also forgot to mention, none of those ultrabooks can be used like a tablet either.

 

Well, I was waiting for months and months when I bought this one. But if it doesn't get fixed and I'm stuck with it I don't have disposable income to just go buy another. Once again, I'm not on here every day trying NOT to keep the Yoga. I am pushing Lenovo to create a fix before I lose the ability to return so I can keep it. However, I won't be stuck with this another year or so and then toss it to upgrade to one that works. And while this is cheaper than the others you listed, 300 laptops can get yellow right, so I don't think it's ok to have bad QC and accept that it might not get permanently fixed just because it costs less than the others. I would hope, if they don't ever fix it, that all the people that kept it hoping they would surely fix it come back here and say how they love the price they paid and bad colors are fine with them. If you read forums about other devices that have still not been fixed 2 years later the sentiment there is definitely not happiness and joy. No matter what they paid for it.

 

For those of you that want to disable the reverse/natural scrolling that -- seems like the Lenovo version of the drivers has removed it. Simply uninstall the Synaptics (Lenovo) version of the driver. Go to Synaptics website, and download the OEM version, it will enable the option to disable it -- It's an older version but I haven't noticed any issues with it vs Lenovo one. In fact, it seems to have more options.

Even the two-finger click for right menu works with the older non-Lenovo version. Only bug I think I found so far is that the key to disable Touchpad doesn't seem to work properly. (i'm not sure if it worked properly on Lenovo Drivers, since I never disable it while I had Lenovo drivers)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2pd7amf34g0f7q3/Capture.PNG

 

Please stop with your rants we have heard enough.

 

Everyone here appreciates you raising the color issue to Lenovo. But even if they can't come up with a fix it probably wouldn't be a dealbreaker for me and probably many others as well. I'll reserve judgement until I actually see it in person, but I'd be willing to live with off-colors if it means I can avoid paying an extra $1000 to get a machine with the same specs.

 

I'm glad the yellow issue was raised, don't get me wrong. But jzmagic is absolutely right. Every laptop has its quirks and I would also be interested in learning which laptop you would choose over this one. If people did nothing but read this thread alone, it would seem there are so many comparable options out there that have 100% build and functional quality. Where is THAT laptop, cause I'm returning this one tomorrow if that's the case...

The yellow is a bummer, but I wouldn't return this awesome piece of technology just for that, and I'm not alone. Based on my needs, I can easily live with it. That's why I told people to try it out for themselves thru BestBuy. Nothing to lose, and they would most likely come to the same conclusion: the strengths of this machine far outweigh weaknesses(most fixable).

Having said that, I will reiterate... I love the fact that people are so proactive about the yellow problem. If that gets fixed then I will be even happier with my purchase, and I honestly thank you guys.

 

Exactly what misinformation are you refering to?

When you state that with the temp fix you only get 3 hrs of battery life without mentioning that it was 1080p video on max brightness, I'd say that's misinformation.

You're overstating the toll of applying this temp fix, it's 3 taps. I'd bet on Lenovo pushing a software update that allows you to keep performance profile set within a month.. if some developers don't figure out how to hack the energy management app by then. And it will get fixed at the very least on the software side. Keep in mind the word 'temporary'.

And I never said Lenovo would fix it without excessive complaints.. even if they most likely would have.

 

I think we all want to see this laptop perform to its fullest potential. Lets continue to respect each others observations, experiences and opinions. Lets all work together to push lenovo to fix the yellow issue as soon as possible before most of our return windows closes.

The reason why individuals post problems observed with his or her Y2P is to help inform others of a potential flaw. Unless someone is being paid to say something... which I believe is not the case, so if someone sees a problem don't discount it, just check your Y2P and if its not there. Awesome. if it appears or appears later you had a heads up.

Okay so my fan is still sometimes spinning sporadically when opening random tabs and videos, similar I guess to WilliamG's problem.
The back lighting is uniform and fine for me.
WIFI works fine
Don't mind the automatic brightness settings for now...
I'll try to dl the generic synaptics driver tomorrow or Monday if I have time to invert the two finger scrolling.

Other random observations: The speakers are loud and in my opinion slightly above average for laptop speakers. Camera isn't that great. But not a dealbreaker for me.

I'm still personally on the fence on whether to return it or not because of the yellow issue, two finger scrolling and my fans spinning out of control sometimes which does not seem to be the case for the majority. Another laptop that I would consider even if it is more expensive are the hp 840 g1 and Fujitsu u904 if I do return this beauty.

 

Thanks! By chance does the old driver allow two-finger swipe for navigating forward and back in web browsers? I'm an old MacBook user and the two-finger swipe option made browsing a wonderful experience. The current drivers only allow three finger swipe and 70% of the time the swipe doesn't even register. I find myself swiping and swiping and nothing happening. It's making my web browsing experience absolutely frustrating!

 

Do any of you guys play World of Tanks?
if so, how does it run on the Yoga 2

 

Lenovo Canada is really starting to tick me off: they're still not showing the Yoga 2 Pro.

Out of 2 dozen different country sites I checked, the only other one not showing the new model was Australia, but that's because they don't sell even Ideabooks there, just Thinkpads!

 

People who bought the i7/8GB/256GB from Best Buy, was it shown as available on the BB website or did you have to go ask for it at the store? I'm not seeing a single one available near me. The i5/4GB/128GB version is widely available though.

 

Hello all. I have preordered the i5, 8gb ram version of the Yoga 2 Pro on the Lenovo website. I'm looking to use this as mainly as a work machine to develop inhouse apps and programs. I'm curious if anyone has heard anything regarding running VirtualBox or some other virtual machine. Would like to keep Windows 8.1 as my main while running a VM with a guest OS of Ubuntu. I believe that this machine will be just fine but am curious if anyone else has any input. Don't want to be caught off guard with anything that I should have know prior.

Thanks!

 

I am pretty worried as well. I def want to use this machine to help with photo editing in bed, and if it doesn't work out...I'm not sure the Flip 13.3 will either

 

Well I got a plane ticket to the next city where they have them available. I decided that the yellow issue isn't that big of a deal even though it probably will be with my hobby. I've waited a very long time for the y2p and the specs are hard to beat at the price point. I just hope it's not a big gamble. Also I really hate fan noise...

 

No, I went in with the SKU and asked them to look it up and when they did they said they had one(probably what would have been the demo) and I said I'll take it.

 

Man its jumping off in here huh.

Those complaining about having to reset the Energy Manager every time you sleep or shut your lid, I am not having that issue. I have shut my lid 2-3 times since enabling the "High Performance Mode" and the setting is sticking for me. Not sure why it's not sticking for you. I did have my battery mode set to High Performance before enabling the Energy Manager. Now when I click on the battery in the system tray, the mode is "Battery Manager High Performance Mode"

Also those freaking out about it saying 3 hours of battery life after enabling this feature, that's because the brightness is set to 100% which you can turn down without the yellows turning back to puke. I'm sitting at 86% battery and it says 5:54 minutes of estimated battery life and I have the keyboard backlight on.

 

It's sticking but no longer functioning..here is what I find as the best way to check. Google "yellow" and then go to images, if it looks like puke it's not working. Then go back into energy manger(while keeping it open) switch to a different profile and then back to high performance and watch the difference.

 

yep you're right. I guess that shows me how much the color problem isn't an issue for me.

 

For us normal laymen it WILL bother you in Excel and Word but other than that if you are not a photo editor or someone who relies on perfect color it won't bother you that much and it is obviously fixable as we have all seen that the panel is capable of producing proper color.

 

If you still have the USB microscope available it would be very interesting to see how the yellow is rendered with the "fix" applied.

 

They were sold out online within the first 24 hours at every BB in the Chicago area (I was kicking myself for stalling!), but miraculously, a BB about an hour away started showing stock. I bought it immediately, and 30 minutes later the store manager called me and apologized - it was an inventory glitch and they had none left. Fortunately, she was incredibly helpful, going above and beyond, and was able to secure me a unit at another location. While she was doing so, she was telling me of various stores with only 1 unit left - all of which were "sold out" on BB's website. It would seem that when inventory reaches 1 or less, the website claims no stock.

There are absolutely no guarantees that your Best Buy will have stock, and even if they do have one left, calling them and asking won't always work either (I had called one of the stores the manager said still had one and they told me over the phone that they were sold out), so it may take some persistence on your part, but its worth it!

I've heard from multiple BB reps that this SKU is not being restocked and is being replaced. This, combined with the SCOUTS coupon on Lenovos site that was also "erroneous", leads me to believe that the $1200 model may have been done to drum up demand for the new line and is not necessarily permanent. Time will tell I suppose.

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