Their return policy is 15 days so if you return before then they shouldn't charge you anything. Not sure what happens after 15 days, if they'll even take it back or not
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The extra storage 256gb vs 128 is a major deal. I have both the Yoga 13 i5 128gb 4gb memory and the Yoga 2 Pro i7 256gb 8gb memory and the extra storage makes a big difference to me due to I like to watch tv shows ripped to the hard drive and so 128gb was really too small. Other than that, I do find the i7 more responsive but that could also be windows 8.1 and it being a fresh install. Battery is around an hour longer on the Yoga 2 Pro running at the highest res but goes up to about 2.5 hours running at the same res as the Yoga 13.
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I couldn't find the i7 version anywhere near me. The best buy stores I talked to said they weren't going to get any i7's - ever. So I got it from Lenovo with a ship date of 11/6, but that's ok. I chatted with a sales rep and asked her if any sales were coming up. I told her that I had the i7 in my cart two days ago with the SCOUTS coupon, but I waited to see if I could find it locally. By the time I came back the coupon had expired. So she gave it to me for $1,250. So it was a little more than best buy, but still worth it - especially since a weird part of me really wanted the orange version.
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You can now get a refurbished 13" MacBook Pro Retina from Apple for similar prices/specs as the Yoga 2 at Best Buy. It's a half pound heavier. It's an older generation CPU, but it should still have a bit better battery life. The GPU will be slightly less powerful, and the CPU more powerful. -
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Thx for feedback on BB restock fees. It's been a long time since I've purchased anything from them. My local BB always looks like garbage, messy, shelves all disordered, and the staff is not too confidence inspiring. It generally turns me off, but they have a Yoga 2 in stock, so I might take the plunge.
At this point its between the Yoga 2, T440, Asus ux301 and ux302....the i7 Yoga is here, now 8 blocks from work. Not sure i can resist. -
I've run exclusively Windows at home for the past 20 years.
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Apparently, I ed up badly. Lenovo won`t show an estimated delivery date, but shipping on 30-Oct makes it dangerously near to the 06-Nov deadline (5 working days later). I was in doubt, but I should have bought it as soon as it launched.
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Hi everyone, I am still waiting for my Nov. 01 delivery so wanted to see if someone can help with a question. I am interested in finding out if the wake on LAN functionality exists on the Yoga 2. I am not even sure if it's possible wirelessly at all. Can someone please post a screenshot of the power management tab under wireless network adapter's properties on Yoga 2? With Microsoft's Remote Desktop app for ios, I am trying to figure out if I a Remote Desktop app can wake the Yoga 2 on a magic packet (or whatever) and will appreciate the help.
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Sorry but specs are meaningless when the user experience is crap. I've been dying to make the switch to PC over the last year or so and have been hoping that the hardware and overall user experience would be as good or better than what it has been with my Apple products. I'm not going to comment about operating systems because both have their pros and cons but when it comes to hardware, the Y2P is crap compared to my MBP. I used to be a PC guy up until about 5 years ago when I purchased my first Apple computer - a 13" MBA. I fell in love with Apple's unbelievable hardware and improved user experience so I later purchased a 15" MBP Retina. That is my current laptop. I've been using the Y2P for almost a week now and the only thing I like better about the Y2P is its increased portability. And yes, it's a touchscreen and hybrid but almost everything else about the Y2P sucks compared to the MBP.
1) The trackpad on the Y2P is just horrific. People always complain about Mac restricting people from options but let me tell you... when it comes to trackpads, not only does Apple offer more options, the trackpad is sooooo much more fluid and responsive. It just simply works - and works all the time. You can't even choose reverse scrolling on the Yoga. Seriously, it's not even an option! There is no option for two finger swipe to navigate forward and back on web pages. There is a option for THREE fingers but if I'm already scrolling up and down with two fingers why do I need to drop a third to go forward or back a page? Totally inefficient and stupid. And what makes it worse is that the Y2P trackpad rarely picks up my three-finger swipes... so I find myself swiping over and over... and pages load so slow (not instant like my MBP) that I find myself swiping too far back because I never know if my swipes were even registered until the page finishes loading. The Yoga trackpad is rough and gritty while the MBP trackpad is smooth as butter. What's the benefit to having higher resistance on a trackpad? Two-finger scrolling is a dream on my MBP; it's as if you feel connected with the cursor. On the Y2P trackpad, I don't feel connected at all... it just doesn't read the finger the same way... everything that seems to happen to my cursor is jolted, jagged and with much resistance. If I were to rate the Apple trackpad, I'd give it a 10 out of 10... and the Yoga a 3 out of 10. It's that much of a difference to me.
2) There is no mouse wheel acceleration on my yoga... the exact same wireless USB mouse (made by Microsoft I should add LOL) I use on my Macbook behaves very differently on my Yoga. For example, you can choose how many lines scroll with one click on the Yoga but when you choose 1 or 2 lines per click, it takes FOREVER to scroll to the bottom of a long web page while your finger goes nuts. On my MBP, I can click the wheel once and the page scrolls down half a line. But I could very quickly get to the bottom of a very long page by clicking the wheel forward quickly a few times as it incorporates WHEEL ACCELERATION. That just makes sense! On the Yoga, I have to drag the cursor and pull down the scrolling bar to get to the bottom of the page or deal with getting carpal tunnel. What a crock. Further, you can't have independent cursor speed for a wireless mouse and trackpad. So if you get a mouse that has inherently super fast acceleration, you can adjust the speed down in settings but doing so makes your trackpad completely retarded. On my MBP, I can adjust the cursor speed INDEPENDENTLY for my mouse and trackpad.
3) Waking up from sleep. No matter how many programs I have running on my MBP, the computer almost always (i.e. 98% of the time) wakes up instantly or within 2 seconds. On the Yoga, it can take anywhere from 10 seconds to up to one full minute to wake from sleep. Most common is about 20-30 seconds. Now people can say, wow, you can't wait 30 seconds to get on your computer? NO I CAN'T. It's freaking annoying as hell. Especially since over the last 5 years I've never had to wait for my computer to wake up. I like to close my laptop every time I step away from my desk to use the bathroom, take a call outside, etc. I now can't get back to what I was doing without having to wait who knows how long. Very frustrating.
4) Backlit keyboard - On my MBP, I can dim the keyboard backlight in 16 different increments of brightness. On the Yoga, I have two options - off or blazing bright. And the keyboard lighting uniformity on my MBP is consistent; on my Yoga the "N" key is at least 50-100% brighter than any other key. It's annoying to stare at this bright chiclet in the dark and NO, you don't get used to it.
5) Computer freezing. I've had my Yoga for about a week now and it freezes for several seconds to almost half a minute at least a half dozen times. And it did so with less than half the number of programs open at the same time than on my MBP. On my MBP, I'd be suprised to see it freeze even once in a week. And when my MBP freezes I get to see a spinning wheel telling me the computer is busy at work but on my Y2P it just freezes and I'm stuck tapping random keys, the trackpad or making sure my wireless mouse didn't lose the connection.
6) Scaling. Unfortunately, I have gotten used to using Chrome over the last 4-5 years and prefer it over any other browser. But Chrome looks like utter crap on the Y2P so I am forced to use Explorer or Firefox. My experience with Explorer has been very poor. The pages load much slower than Chrome and there seems to be issues with freezing and delayed feedback when typing into the address bar (i.e. there is a several second delay after typing into the address bar before the text appears). I'm trying Firefox for the first time and so far no problems.
7) Internet connectivity. This is like night and day. Everything loads faster on my MBP vs the Y2P. I'm using the exact same router in the exact same location... and the speed is easily double to triple that of my Y2P. I feel like I went back in time 5-7 years when the internet was slower. It's that bad. Also, I can use my MBP in my garage (which is two stories from the router). The Y2P won't even connect. I must have lost the connection to my router a dozen times in the last week... when such an occurrence on my MBP was extremely rare.
8) Battery life - this was a MAJOR surprise. My 15" MBP actually has a slightly longer run time than my Y2P. My experience so far would put an additional 30 minutes of run time on my MBP vs Y2P. That's significant especially considering the Yoga is utilizing an energy-sipping processor compared to the MBP. And that the MBP screen is much, much larger.
9) Automatic dimming and lack of dimming to lowest possible level - what a disaster this is on my Y2P. Not only does it annoyingly increase and decrease brightness WITH NO CHANGE IN AMBIENT LIGHTING but there is no way to turn it off! The lowest setting on my Y2P is way too bright to be using in a dark room. My MBP would drop down at least 50% lower than the lowest brightness setting on the Y2P. The funny thing is the "automatic dimming" feature randomly reduces the screen brightness to a level LOWER than what you can set it for yourself using the F11 and F12 keys. So here I am reading into a bright flashlight when all of a sudden it starts to dim to an even lower level than I can adjust it to myself and I go "wow, this computer really isn't that bad" and then POW it goes back to flashlight mode in 5 seconds. Genius!
Honestly, I don't see how anyone can compare the user experience of the MBP vs the Y2P. It's 100% apples and oranges. Apple haters will always say their PC is superior... and PC haters will always say their Apple is superior. But I honestly feel I am as unbiased as they come as I've been DYING to switch back to PC as I prefer the superior software and hardware compatibility of PCs. But I can't see how anyone could say that the above concerns make a PC better - because they don't! I may end up being a Mac user for some time... maybe even hope they come out with their own hybrid version soon. Apple hasn't been innovating for long but I had no idea that PCs where THIS far behind in terms of user experience. I thought after 5 years they would have caught up. I was dead wrong.
I have one question - is there really no way to temporarily disable the touchscreen? Sometimes I find myself watching movies in bed laying down and holding up the laptop on my chest or stomach and accidentally touch the edges of the screen. Of course this pauses the video or does something else. I find it truly ridiculous that there is literally no way to temporarily disable the screen.Shadowxaf likes this. -
- How does sound compare between the MBA / MBP and the Yoga 2 Pro?
- Do you feel the screen on the MBA is pretty decent? I worry that the resolution is low. But I hear the screen is still good. Just not sure how it compares to the Yoga 2 Pro with the same resolution settings.
- Real world usage on battery.. what do you get with the MBA / MBP compared to the Yoga 2 Pro?
Just out of general curiosity.. are you using the i5 or i7 version of the Yoga 2 Pro?
edit: I'm extremely interested in the MBP, because I would prefer a 15".. but I am concerned about the weight (4.5 lbs) as I figure it will feel heavy to carry between work and home and for travel. I don't really want a 13" inch.. but 3 - 3.5 lbs seems to be the sweet spot for me. I loved my Samsung Series 9 from last year which was 8 GB RAM and 256 GB hard drive and decent battery life.. 15" screen and weighing only 3.5 lbs. Too bad the new Samsungs are too expensive.. and seem to have not great battery life, etc. -
- Once you go with a quad extended graphics array like that on the MBPR or Y2P every single display is literally painful to look at. The leap from my MBA to my MBPR was personally the largest leap I've made in terms of computer to computer upgrade. A high resolution display really does transform the way you look at your computer because text on your screen can literally look like that of text on a glossy-paged book. Knowing what I know exists, I wouldn't use a MBA if someone gave it to me for free. Between the, MBPR and Y2P, the Y2P has the better screen. There is considerably more light bleed on the Y2P (I can't say there is ANY light bleed on the MBPR) but the MBPR's screen doesn't get as bright and the DPI count is considerably lower... is is noticeable when you look at the screen closely but not night and day. I'm one of those people where the color issue (that I'm sure you've come across on this forum) is not an issue. The yellow is definitely not yellow on my computer screen but it doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as those issues I listed.
-Battery life on my MBPR averaged roughly 4.5 - 5 hours. My MBA was slightly less. And the Y2P would last 4 - 4.5 hours. I have an i5 from BB but ordered an i7 (I really wanted the orange) fearing BB wouldn't carry the orange one. I should receive that one in about a week. Unfortunately, I ordered the orange one before I realized that a lot of the issues I was having were not related to only my computer... but to all PCs.
Funny thing is I actually had the exact same issue - do I want to give up nearly 2" precious wonderful inches of high resolution beauty for a 33% savings in weight? I do find myself getting much closer to the Y2P screen because everything looks so good even up close. Not necessarily a bad thing; I'm just hoping being so close to my screen all the time isn't bad for my eyes. -
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Is the i5 the 4gb model or 8gb? The reason I ask is that I have found stuttering on my work laptops when using 4gb models. This was cured in all cases by going to 8gb of memory. Even though windows shows only 60 - 70% memory usage it seems to start paging the memory and hence you get stops where you can do nothing (at least that was my experience), this went away when I moved to 8gb. I had this happen at work with Dell, HP and Lenovo notebooks.
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Comparing any PC vendor to Apple really isn't fair. Apple's hardware is an order of magnitude better than any PC vendor's which is amazing since the same manufacturers build the hardware for everyone. The tight integration of OS and hardware ensures pretty amazing levels of integration. Finally Microsoft Windows really hobbles any platform. fwiw, I'm still using the 6+ year old core2 duo MBP in my sig. It has lasted all this time, and I doubt any PC could do that.
That said, I really prefer Linux over OSX, if for no other reason than the unlimited ability to customize every detail exactly the way I want it. So I'm shopping around for a PC. After deep consideration, I'll probably pass on the Yoga 2 due to the screen color issues and I am just not sure scaling is up to par for 3200x1800, but who knows. The BB around the corner has ONE i7/8/256 in the cage, and it's super tempting. -
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1) Does not have the same issues as you
2) Prefers Windows over OSX (just like how Windows has 80%~ market share on desktop/laptop)
3) Y2Pro has 4 modes that Macs will never have
4) Y2Pro offers the best value as a top of the line model ($1200 vs $ 2000)
5) Convenience of the touch screen
6) highest PPI on a laptop
7) Millions of programs (esp games that only run on Windows)
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Questions for anyone who owns a Y2Pro. Does anyone have a faint sound/hum when charging the Yoga? Sometimes it's there, other times it's not. I'm not sure if it's coming from the charger or the Yoga. Is this worth returning and exchanging for another one, if it is a power problem that could it be further damaging for me in the future? Thanks for all the advice so far guys.
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2) Mouse wheel acceleration is a driver issue, it has nothing to do with the Y2P. Did you get it pre windows 8 era?
3) Reading this had me baffled. My Y2P wakes from sleep instantly. From pressing the power button or a key, I've yet to see it take more than 1 second to get to the login screen. From a powered off state it takes less than 5 seconds to get to login.
4) Backlit keyboard, i admit not ideal? But to me if it can allow me to see the keys in the dark, im set. It's not overbearing or blinding, give me a break.
5) I've yet to experience one freeze and I've ran a couple VMs, visual studio compiling with 10-15 tabs open.
6) In chrome go to chrome://flags and enable High dpi. No issues for me. Also IE11 is great it's just as fast as chrome for me.
7) Ideally the Y2P should have a better wlan card but i haven't noticed any significant slowness. Also you can replace the wireless card.
8) I don't doubt mac books have better battery when your comparing $2000 hardware to $1200 hardware. The cost of having an amazingly high res screen is some battery life.
9) You can turn off auto brightness. There's 3 settings for it (stupid i have to admit), one in metro pc settings, adaptive brightness in advanced power options, and display power saving technology in graphic options. If you turn those 3 off there's no automatic change in brightness.
My Samsung ativ book 7 had an option to turn off the touch screen in metro settings. I don't see it in windows 8.1. Not sure if ms dropped the ball on that. But the thing about windows is that it's the most widely used OS today (and also the past decade) where millions of developers have found solutions for all these little problems. Just takes a few minutes on google and some experimentation. But if you want complete manufacturer lock down and control over what your laptop can and cannot do, maybe a MBPr is a better option for you. I just SMH when i see people dismissing this notebook over stupid things like how the trackpad works out of the box, or judging the wifi capability before they even install the latest drivers. This is why the computer illiterate are drawn to mac books, mainly because of hardware fragmentation. But when you take into account the benefit of consumer options, you see why windows will always be ahead of macs in the market share. -
For the folks on the fence, or worried about the screen issue, you need to go buy this machine. I switch between 4 and 5 laptops per year, so I've tried just about all of the top end gear and this Y2P is the real deal.
No matter what competitor you want to put it up against, just take a Y2P, put it into stand mode on your lap at the couch or in bed and you'll see that no other form factor even comes close. You end up with a gorgeous 13" touch interface staring at you at the perfect angle and leaving both hands free to manipulate the screen. My iPad is more work because I have to hold it with one hand.
Seriously, your mba isn't going to do this and if you have not tried this form factor (and in the stand position), then you have no idea what you're missing. The Yoga is a beautifully simple and genius design, and the Y2P is as close to a perfect improvement on that design. Give me an active digitizer with a built in silo and LTE connectivity next time and it would indeed be perfect (actually, I'd want it all in the 11" size and at 2.5 lbs. -- that is perfection).dustindw likes this. -
The Y2P is my first foray into Metro apps. I want the Y2P to replace my laptop and iPad 3. However, the Metro PDF apps all produce the same blurry text. Any ideas?
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Can someone try out Fifa 14 and a racing game for me like Dirt 3 or something and tell me if they work fine? Obviously in high performance mode.
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I guess the seller who told the forum member that Best Buy wouldn't ever get the i7 model was wrong: I have just completed an online purchase at Best Buy to pick up from store.
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I've been wanting one since the announcement of its release but I've been hearing a lot of wifi issue. Anyone who already have one has been having issues with the wifi connectivity?
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Absolutely zero wifi issues with mine. Had it a week, set up wifi on day one, never thought about it since.
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Could anyone tell me the driver version for their wifi and bluetooth driver? My wifi drops rarely, but my bluetooth drops a few times a day.
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Is there any graphics Professional (prepress, photographer or else) having a Yoga Pro 2? How bad/ok is the color situation? How is the screen when fully hardware calibrated (with xrite, i1 or similar)?
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1. Go to System, device manager
2. Under Bluetooth, for the INTEL(R) WIreless Bluetooth, right click properties, go to power management and uncheck "Allow computer to turn off device to save power"
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Has anyone who ordered it off the Lenovo site (big mistake I now realize) actually received theirs? I ordered an orange i5/256gb/8gb model on October 16 and the shipment date has been pushed back all the way to 11/14 with a delivery date of 11/21. I'm getting pretty pissed about it.
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The more I use this the more stunning the display seems to be and this is from somebody who also has a FHD Taichi 11.6. I really don't care about the issue with yellow and I know it will get somewhat fixed at some point in the future. What I keep coming back to though is where am I going to get any sort of tablet or convertible pc that has an i7, 256GB of a good quality SSD and 8 GB of ram for 1199? I'm not and is I return this the only thing I would even consider is a surface pro 2. Everything else is a typical laptop with or without(apple) a touch screen. If that is wht I want there are plenty to choose from but it isn't.
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update: just called best buy near me and the saleswoman said they're out of stock, as are the warehouses they use, and she doesn't know when they'll be restocked.
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Yoga 2 Pro Release Thread
Discussion in 'Lenovo' started by ikjadoon, Sep 5, 2013.