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CrossFire X profiles per application will now be in a separate XML file that it will be possible to update independently of the driver itself
ATI CrossFire X with PowerPlay for the Radeon 5x00s: reduced energy consumption of additional cards
AMD Dual Graphics: Possibility of combining performances of the IGP of the RS880 with the forthcoming entry level GPUs from the Cedar and Park ranges.
3D Stereoscopics: Update of the D3D driver so as to allow third party firms such as IZ3D to use their 3D solution with 120 Hz screens. Support for Bit Cauldron glasses.
Eyefinity: Bezel Management
Better GPU acceleration in Windows 7 Video Converter
Support for DisplayPort Audio (already in the 9.12 hotfix)
If laptop manufacturers allow it, possibility of installing the Catalysts on a laptop in Vista and 7
Improvement of 2D performance in Linux
Support for Ubuntu 9.10 and OpenSUSE 11.2

I guess it's adiós to mobility modder then should be out soon.

 

Yes a one-click of the installer like those nvidia boys get would be nice!

 

hey has anyone managed to really see if theres any differences in the advent bios to the msi. the version sounds pretty close to the ID1 bios, AD1722IDI 1.0P, id imagine the only difference is the splash screen, and the lack of the Ctrl-ins trick.

 

Set-fsb doesn't work on the MSI bios .. that's the only "difference" i've seen so far.
Can you extract it ?

 

10.1 ccc using mobility modder 1.2.1.0 (last) OR not, isnt working for me.
also Automatikjack said that 10.1 is working without modder and smooth.thats because hes using 10.1 BETA. he posted before official release.

 

you are correct len, these are beta drivers, though i doubt much will change when the final version is released.

more importantly right now, i managed to install that nice 4850 i got from mandrake this morning, and it works with my 725 heatsink quite well, however upon opening up gpuz i got both good and bad news, firstly, my card apparently is a 4870 afterall which is freakin sweet, but when i opened up the temperature monitor i was shocked!

the gpu was at a crispy 91c while the power controller and i think the others were up to 130c!!! which is insane! if these temps are being reporte correctly this card wont survive one game period!

what i need to find out is how the bios affects this card, or if theres some serious inadequate cooling problem going on, when i get my copper shims im gonna throw it on the two other spots. Also, darth, if youre reading this im gonna need your temps for comparison so i can figure out what the hell is going on.

im gonna try and swap the card into my advent to see if the bios maybe has some modified fan speed settings that are more tailored to the 48 series. as a safety measure im gonna check and see if theres actual contact between the core and the heatsink, which 90c suggests otherwise.

if you guys have any suggestions id appreciate it.

 

>.> sounds like it wasn't installed properly to me, pics of temps would be a lot more helpful.

 

ill do what i can here in a second, thats what im thinking, ill try and reseat the heatsink here in a bit.

so it turns out the heatsink was in place, however thats not the issue, apparently this gpu isnt making contact by just a fraction of a milimeter, and theres no real way to mod the heatsink to get contact except for copper shims. so im gonna hop onto ebay real quick and grab some shims, unless anyone knows any nbr users who have some sub 1mm shims lying around.

also if anyone sees any dead 3870s/3850s or any other cards that are compatible with the 735/725 or i think its the 628, im interested in grabbing it, just to replace the backplate i had to steal from my 512 4850.

 

K-Tron might be able to help you with the shims.

 

how did you take it off, I couldn't get them to budge.

Also, it's not a 4870, it's just a bios labeling issue. If you check the clocks, they are the same as the 4850 and the only difference between a 4870 and 4850 IS the clock speed. Mandrake also had this issue. Mandrake also decided not to sell his two brand new 4850's because of heat issues....

My alienware 4850 is running nice and cool, and I'm not even using a backplate. Just thermal paste and great thermal tape.

 

See I thought about doing that however it doesn't seem like a very reliable option, just having the heatsink just sitting on top instead of being forced to make perfect contact. I'd be insanely paranoid moving my lapop ever!

I could understand thermal tape since some of it's really sticky... I tempted to get some smallscrews and nuts and make my own mount for the heatsink since the screws can't get the heatsink close enough, due to their retention lip that keeps em attached to the heatsink. Though a copper shim seems like a more reliable solution, I have 6 in the mail.

As for the card itself, it shows up like that windows andeverything, though gpuz says it's an m98 core which is supposedly the 4850.

As for the backplate it took quite a bit of prying and praying to get it off without hurting the card, that tape is some strong stuff.

That's an interwring point though darth. So that basically means that after I beat the heat issue I can push this card.
But core aside, that doesn't explain the outrageous temps of the pwm and the other two temp readings on gpuz confirmed by touch, I don't remember the names and frankly I'm a bit too scaredto boot before I get a proper cooling solution going, though if you look in gpuz there should be at least two other temperature readings.

If you look at the card it's the greyish boxes in the corner of the card next to the ram on the gpu side of the card. I'd post pics but I'm on my iPhone.

 

The heatsink isn't just sitting there, the double sided thermal tape is really strong. Moving the laptop is not an issue.

 

Hrm, what kind are you using? Just some random cheap stuff or is it one of the quality brands, I'm tempted to look for one that is good at keeping the heatsink stuck on as well as cooling everything. I'm also gonna go our on a limb and say you used the same tape for your ramsink trick right?

You low the strange thing is MSI didn't even use ramsinks for the memory on the backside, they just had that weird foamy thermal tape across the 4 chips on the backside of my 512 4850...

Darth can you do me a favor and post an idle screeny from gpuz for your temps? I'd like to see about what my temps should be at, if one of those 130c temps is a pwmic I'd be a little bit more understanding since they run hot, just not THAT hot.


EDIT: i just threw up my guide for lcd screen replacement/upgrade tell me what you think

 

Don't know if this helps you but my idle temps (GT725, 4850 512mb), are around 46-47, on power saving mode, in Vista.

And yes those foam things would do nothing to help reduce temps.

 

Hmm, I'm using Win 7 with High Perfomance setting and my GPU idle temp is 42-43.

 

I do remember from when I used win7 for a brief period on this laptop it was a couple of degrees cooler.

But then again, I'm in Australia. And its summer... In winter I was getting cooler temps again. So I dunno, thats the only way I can explain it off.

And I clicked it, but nothing happened!

 

i appreciate the offer guys, but i think the msi 4850s run alot cooler than the alienware 4850s that darth and myself are using, the only difference is im using the heatsink from my msi 4850, whereas darth is using some sort of modded heatsink i think.

i dont think the core should go much higher than that though even for my card. hopefully when i get my shims ill be able to get that core temp and the other two temps down.

 

So what are the differences exactly between the two cards that make that much of a difference?

And I think that foam stuff on the heatsink is to stop the bottom panel from flexing too much, rather than cooling the GPU. Just a theory.

 

Yes like a shim and stops it from flexing, rather than cooling. The thermal paste will just be concentrated on the chip, and would be the only thing stopping the chip frying, and not the foam.

It strikes me whatever you do your going to be fairly limited by the overall design of the casing and airflow. I'm guessing this varies from one make to another. Well that's my two pence, which isn't much, since I've only ever built and overclocked desktops.

 

Exactly right. Designing a laptop chassis takes a lot of research, and in the case of the 1722 is truly a work of art.

 

That it is which is why the chassis has survived so long and has been a very successful barebone/rebrand. The foam I was taking about was on the bottom of the card and in direct contact with the ram. Which it IS a type of thermal tape, just slot less effective than regular tape or paste.

If you really wanted to you could use peanut butter or anything else like that, the only reason we have created thermal paste/tape is the need for something that effectively draws heat from whatever it's applied to, silver was chosen cause it's by far most effective at drawing heat and transferring it to whatever else it's in contact with. The foamy tape is a cheap fixall solution, it provides padding, some heat draw, and if you really wanted to you could drop a heatsink on it. Though it wouldn't be very effective...

 

We are thinking of two different things then . I was talking about that foam stuff between the heatsink and the bottom panel. Mine just has a kind of thick thermal paste between the heatsink and ram.

 

So my touch panel stopped working.. Is this common, and if so, is it an easy fix?

 

Hey kazy, try hit fn and f3 buddy.

 

I meant the blue LED touch panel above the keyboard, not the touchpad!

Thanks, though

 

What happened ? it suddenly stopped working or did you un installed something ? Try installing SCM again

 

I'm not sure if it suddenly stopped working, because I only noticed it wasn't on one day due to trying to change a song in iTunes. SCM is installed and running, and the only thing I can think of that has changed is that I installed DisplayLink for a USB > VGA adapter, which gives me access to a third monitor.

 

it doesn't work with itunes , only with wmp. VGA adapter can't be related to it. Have you tried with other app ?

 

I used a plugin for it to work with iTunes, (MMkeys.dll or something like that)

And it's off, nothing works on it.

 

Really ? then I don't know , you could try un installing SCM and reinstalling it ... or contact MSI customer support as you still got warranty right ?

Other advise anyone ?

 

None here Dead, i think you've said everything that can be said, try a system restore, remove that plugin (as far as im aware you cannot set the touch pad buttons, period.) Use warrenty or try a roll back with ec firmware reflash.

Also power down the machine, unplug, take the battery out and hold the power button for 30 seconds.

 

That's it kaz , IF what cata suggest doesn't work .. then RMA is your best option. Good luck and keep us posted.

 

There are actual ENE CIR drivers for the touch panel, as well as SCM. Try reinstalling the drivers.

 

I can testify to that! Mine has been knocked off a table twice, from a height of 2.5 feet (about 76cm). The first time it was open and running, the second time it was off and closed. Didn't even phase it!

 

lol

*Note to self: Do not buy a laptop from this man...*

 

Agreed, well i had a dog jump on the lid of mine ^^ no flex or scratch, i also slipped on the ice and my poor machine hit the ground first . No damage either, just a faulty vga port :S shattered solder perhaps?

 

Where can I find these drivers?

 

Here http://eu.msi.com/index.php?func=driverfile&dno=10446&i=0

CIR is for the infrared and not touch panel.

 

Im actually pretty impressed with the sturdyness myself, especially when it comes to disassembly, the fact that they use a one size fits all screw attests to someone actually thinking when it comes to comfortably working with this machine, assembly and disassembly, as well as for sturdyness, i actually dropped a knife blade first, not on purpose of course, and damage wise it was minimal, given i havent dropped it, knock on wood.

as for the temps for my card i booted again, i figured out what the other temps were, they were actually from the shader, and i think the rops or something, but yes its just a problem with core cooling, im waiting on a shim, and i should have those here soon. cant wait to bench that card.

 

Correct, but I found the touchpad would not work on mine without this driver. So, I dunno whats up there, worked for me, may work for him

EDIT: I've had my laptop for almost a year now. As for the build, no complaints except for the paint wearing off were the magnets are in the monitor. Hinges and everything are still the same as the day I got it!

 

Since May last year, I look after mine like it's a baby. Wife takes the pee (got censured) mind you

 

That doesn't make much sense.

 

it does if you add pee

 

That still doesn't make much sense man, but I think we can all agree that you love your msi as much as we do.

 

Lol! All in favor say I!

 

I did this and it worked. Thanks!

 

good to know kazy,

and "I" love my msi rebrand and my n900

 

Hey gang, I'm away from home stuck in a hotel. Can anyone tell me the pinout sequence for the speaker and head phone jacks. THANKS!

 

Ok, I am finally going to breakdown and ask. I usually just read and experiment to learn, but I can't seem to find an answer to satisfy me. I am trying to decide on purchasing a Q9200. Just how difficult is it to change the processor on a GT725? Are there some step-by-step instructions anywhere?

I bought this unit for gaming and general pc stuff. When at home, I usually HDMI it to my 42" Vizio for playing. Recently, my son gave me his Xbox 360. Would the $300 for the CPU be worth it or should I put the money elsewhere and start using the 360?

I currently have the P8600, 4850 w/512, Win7, 4GB HyperX...anything you would like to know? thx

 

The MSI GT725/729 (etc.) are the preconfigured versions of the MSI 1722 Megabook. If you do a search though the 1722 forum as well you'll find some great advice on doing the upgrade. Also, forum member, Rorschach who posts on both forums (plus others) could probably assist. He is a GOD!