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Still running 1 cheap ram bank so tis out of the question unfortunately,

The alienware users used it to achive higher overclocks.

 

Well the company has a good rating with resellerratings.com, but I'd still be leary buying what seems to be unbranded memory. To paraphrase from the tattoo world - good memory isn't cheap, and cheap memory isn't good.

 

AMD actually has a pretty good article explaining what each does in enough detail for the average user.

I myself didn't really bother to understand what exactly each one does, however I understand lower is better, and the first four are the ones to concern yourself with if you are trying to tighten your timings and get better speeds out of your ram, but overall the first one, the latency is the most important.

And usually the last listed of the four, is fairly high usually 2x-3x of the other timings.


as for the ram deal, thats all fine and true, unless newegg decides to sell good ram for cheap!! If I didn't need this laptop so much right now for this work project, I'd be doin all sorts of stuff to it.

I'm debating on waiting for the medion gx740 to come out, or get a standard gx740... I really like medion's design. It's a nice change from red and black.

I wish MSI would give the option of changing the trim color. Blue and black would be awesome!

 

Link to mod?

 

MSI's External Laptop GPU

 

Woah go msi,

XGP tech is something i really do love,

Go to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\Processor

and

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\services\intelppm

In each of these set the value for Start to 4 (default is 3)

thats the mod.

 

The strange thing is that in mine the processor one is already set to 4, though the intelppm is at 3.

 

Do you know exactly what it does?

 

Not too sure, i'd have to hit alienwarers up again lol,

But from OC results it allows the processor to handle alittle bit more without bsodding instantly, looking around google intelppm changes to that registry changes the way hardware exposes the processor.

 

Ah yes, well I think I reached the limit that my ram can handle, so unless I upgrade to some Kingston HyperX I don't think there's anything else I can do. I'm not sure if its worth paying £100+ for something I don't actually need..

 

Actually they are processor drivers and those values define processor types.

@Blazin Which ram are you currently using? Is the stock one?

 

Mine's set at 3 on both .. not bother changing them as i'm using original MSI BIOS and no OC permitted on that crap.

 

Yeh it's still stock ram, its fine for the moment, it just doesn't like being pushed above 1000mhz

 

??? stock ?????????????????

I dunno mine hangs whenever I set 24% OC in the bios with ram default at 667, which means 827Mhz. Somethings wrong then!!! And its definately not the temps.

 

I'm not sure if ram differs like cpus and gpus, as in that some just overclock better than others. If this is the case then that would explain why your ram can only take a slight beating.. and mine can take a much heavier throttling.

How about you buy me some Kingston HyperX ram.. and you can have my stock ram sounds like a deal? Cool

 

You know I would actually wait a few months for DDR3 to take over, make DDR2 ram cheaper and my warranty get over

 

I was just checking my ram, and was wondering when would the ram actually use JEDEC#1 and JEDEC #2 timings, I mean how could the ram run at 200, 266 (400, 532 Mhz) ?

 

Just in case if it interests anyone(Very surprisingly they call it equal to the 920XM ) and its cheaper than Ebay too. By about ~£60

Intel / Intel quad-core Extreme Edition QX9200 ES, performance ultra-i7-820QM comparable 920XM

Note : Its in Chinese so use chrome.

 

Equal too? not a chance, but overclocked, i do see it being very competitive.

 

There's a couple of things that confuse me about that:

1. It uses socket type 775 and says it's for desktop.. so how can it fit in an MSI-1722?
2. I'm pretty sure it's the exact same processor that I have, so does that mean that I have similar performance as the i7 820m/920m?
3. On the 3dMark06 score, how the hell did he get 13,000+ with a GTS 160m???

Also, @Cat http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/mobile-core-i7,2443-10.html

Blazin

 

its chinese, so take it with a pinch of salt

 

1.I am 100% sure its a notebook proccy, even the pics below show it to be a notebook proccy.

2.In processors everything just boils down to transistors, so I guess if the qx9200 has somewhere near 774 million transistors then its equal in performance.

3.I think he is running the quad OC'ed to 2.88 and the GPU is OC'ed too.

 

Yeh but I overclocked mine to 2.8 and I got around 11,300 in 3dMark 06, and see this:
Notebookcheck: Mobile Graphics Cards - Benchmark List

our 4850 is ranked 21st and the 160m is ranked 31st!

Edit: yes I know that benchmarks can be unreliable, but I just can't see how such a high score was obtained with a gfx card that is on par with an 8800m/9800m (which our card trashes!)

 

Heard about overclocking ?

 

Theres only a certain amount you can gain from overclocking. If you're telling me that you can get HD4850 speeds from a GTS160m, then I have the wrong laptop

 

Numbers and really life performance are 2 different thing .. i can match the Gx640 vantage easy , does that means my 4850 in on par with it gaming wise ?

Check my sig , most been getting that score with stock config.

 

The 4850 hits up to 14k with a qx9300 and an oc 4850, but the real comparison is behind vantage,

As for the 920 v qx9300, the 920 still beats it, but an overclock should either ballance it out or beat it, bear in mind that mandrake took the 920 to desktop clocks and the chip performance is exactly the same as its desktop counterpart.

 

Yeh I guess the 160m is just more benchmark friendly than our 4850

 

You gave the proof yourself!!!!

Our at 21st and 160 at 31st yet only 600 marks difference in 3dmark06.
Now I dont know what to make out of raw processing power of cards, but somehow nVidia always has something up its sleeves or maybe too much under-the-table dealings

EDIT : do you notice that 260 and 9800 are ranked below 4850 yet they score more in 3dmark06.

 

Yeah its strange, probably hidden within the drivers to be fair, but the 260 and 9800 just dont perform like the 4850 in games or vantage.

 

I'm getting this Optical Bay Hard Drive Caddy , just got confirmation by email that this is the right one for our machine and the front bit can easily be replaced by the one from the Bluray drive.

I will fit mine without screw so I can hot swap whenever needed.
£41.51 Delivered within 5 business day.

 

I just received MSI Mobility Radeon 4850 MXM 2.1 type III today to upgrade my Geforce 9600M GT in my MS-1722 ID1 (I purchased the card from Automatikjack). After installing the card and heatsink, the laptop turns on, screen turns on, but it remains black, even though Windows is loading . I upgraded BIOS to the latest 1.11, but it didn't help.

Can anyone help me?

PS. The card seems to work, as the heatsink is getting hot, so the current is running through the card. It just doesn't display anything . The LCD is working as well.

PS2.
Dead2th3World, I ordered exactly the same OBHD caddy from the same Web page 2 days ago .

 

Can you test with an external monitor??


(because I read a thread about acer notebooks updaing to an ATI card and they had a black screen, but external monitors worked fine.)

 

I will give it a try ASAP. In the meanwhile, any help would be most appreciated.

 

If you definately know its getting hot then be careful,

Ive had a problem with desktops where i install different types of the same card, and they hit extreme temperatures lol, but as for your problem mareck, i honestly dont know, try reseat maybe?

Oh and rip the cmos battery out and im not sure if having nvidia drivers on your machine as the primary display adapter will effect that either?

 

Kool hopefully it will be worth it!.

Anyway , Is it seated properly ?

 

So in theory you could get another 500GB HDD and run them both in raid0?

 

It'd have to be software raid but i think theoretically its possible. (Unless you get onboard raid controllers these days with the HDD?)

 

I've reseated the card a dozen times or so, with no effect, to my disappointment.

 

Marecki, rip the cmos battery out and let hardware profiles rebuild.

 

I ripped the CMOS battery out, I even changed the CPU from QX9300 back to P8400, I reseated the card many times, no effect - still no picture. I'm running out of ideas. HELP!

 

Here are some pictures of the custom heatsink I made for the Radeon 4850 card. It is made out of custom cut copper shims (attached together with Arctic Silver Thermal Adhesive) and copper RAM radiators. I made sure that the heatsink makes contact only with the surface of GPU chip and memory chips, so there is no chance of any short circuit or something.
The heatsink is not connected to the heatpipe yet, as I wanted to make sure that the card is working before putting my GF9600M GT heatsink to pieces.
After attaching the heatpipe I was planning to add some more copper RAM heatsinks to it.

All my effort has been useless so far, as the card doesn't display any picture .













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Does that MSI Logo show up in the start?

And I was wondering about wattage, the 9600M GT is supposed to suck less power, so just in case if it was a power related issue.

 

MSI logo shows up with nVidia card in, but I disabled it. I was wondering about wattage as well, that's why I changed the CPU to less power hungry, it didn't work though (BTW, I use a Targus 180W PSU). Power should not be an issue, after all I have an MSI Radeon card, which works in Your laptops guys, and my laptop is MSI MS-1722. Others did manage to upgrade it with this card, but somehow I can't . I'm beginning to think that maybe the card itself is dead, but if it is, then why there's no beeps at POST? Why does the screen turn on? I'm running out of ideas and out of hope .

 

Since the BIOS at least boots, it wouldnt hurt to try to boot an unbuntu or some other Linux. Did you try swapping back the nVidia?

 

In the bios there are some options like I think PCI latency and internal GPU enable, maybe you could change them and see if it helps at all?

 

PCI Latency does not apply to newer PCIe 16x cards. That was meant for AGP and stuff.

 

What I meant guys is that computer boots and Windows is loading, but there is no picture on the screen whatsoever. Not even during POST. Screen turns on, but it remains black all the time.

Yes, I did swap back to nVidia and everything is fine with it. Otherwise I wouldn't be writing this .

To make my life less bitter, I just received my brand new Intel SSD 160GB G2. I'm enjoying lightning fast Windows now . If only I could enjoy faster graphics along with it...

 

Hmm, thats real strange. I am sure that Jack did confirm you that it was a working piece?

 

Mera, do you have any friends with MSI machines? someone with a 1722/725 could test it for you if you know them.