*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I hadn't even tried using the other two buttons until you mentioned this.

I seem to be in the same boat as you, the fans and lights buttons work but the screen one does nothing.

 

Let me download some of the drivers and see which one if I can find. I know that I had to go though some folders to find different drivers.

On my, all 3 buttons work.

The 1st button to the left is to control the max fans on and off, 2nd is to shut off the screen, and 3rd shuts off the keyboard lights.

 

Can all owners of the Eurocom version please post here your vBIOS version. I don't need you to upload your actual vbios just please let me know which version your gtx 1070 has on it.

If possible please also lost your device ID as read in the masters version of GPU-Z not from nvidia inspector.

Thanks in advance.

 

You have to download "hotkey" drivers from the Eurocom website and look though all the entire drivers folders. Like this in the screen shot.

 

I have Bios version 86.04.2B.00.14 according to gpuz.

 

@Diversion , he was talking about the power setting in the Nvidia 3d global / program settings, not the Windows Power plan CPU settings.

There are a few that need to be tweaked for full performance, just like the CPU 100%/100% High Performance mode.

And, just like the CPU Balanced vs High Performance, the Nvidia "Power Mangement Mode => Adaptive" vs "Prefer Maximum Performance" will keep the clock high all the time, which heats up the GPU just like it does the CPU.

I also change "Multi-display/Mixed GPU acceleration" => "single display Performance mode"

 

Auto fans on the same test for me gets up into the mid to high 80s I think and i'm de-lidded! I think my paste job could be better lol.

 

Oh ok,.. Interestingly I haven't needed to do that to get tip top bench scores, everything so far works perfectly well. I have noticed that sometimes Geforce Experience fails to tell you there's an updated newer driver and even says you have the latest version but there could be a newer version drivers on the website :/

 

It's also a "performance" enhancement to uninstall GFE

The hints for tuning game performance are nice, but with the Pascal laptops nailing everything on high should be a good place to start, so you don't really need the GFE game settings hints.

The background processes GFE services start are soul sucking daemons from Nvidia

I only install the Nvidia driver, HD Audio, and Physx.

Also, good to note that a DDU or Nvidia Clean install will reset all the 3d Global settings, and maybe the custom 3d program settings, along with custom resolutions.

A bit of a pain to re-enter all that customization every time we install a new driver update.

Did you try the 3d settings to see if any improvement in 3dmark scores happens? Those "performance" tweaks used to be good for 10% score improvements - maybe not for Pascal?

Can you please try?, that way I can stop recommending them, if they no longer help.

 

I can check when I get home... Why do you need our vBIOS versions?

 

What method would you recommend for a repaste?

Since notebooks have low mounting pressure, I have been putting more paste than I usually would. I would even manually apply the paste with a card (which I wouldn't do on a desktop), because I can't trust the mounting pressure alone to be able to spread out the compound. Am I on the right track...?

 

I agree with this. I got my laptop on Monday and was wondering why Overwatch was being capped to 30 frames. Apparently, there is some sort of battery saving setting in GFE that limits your frames to 30 fps unless you un-check this. GFE also loves to scale resolution to 200% which makes no visible difference to me but destroys your FPS.

 

Little info from @unclewebb http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-473#post-10286179
<I recommend using the High Performance Windows profile no matter what operating system you are using. This is the best way to give ThrottleStop control of your CPU. If you are using the Balanced profile, both Windows and ThrottleStop are going to be writing different data to the same CPU register, both trying to take control of things. This wastes power and CPU cycles and the results will be unpredictable.>

There are several who have reported performance problems using balanced, self-made power profiles than if you use high performace in Win Crap X power plan. The same applies using power management software from various OEM's!!

You don't save much power or have much lower temp

 

GFE setting DSR in new games is what prompted me to finally get rid of it.

Yup, same for my experience with GFE.

GFE not only enable DSR as a 3d app change for the game enabling DSR, GFE also made it a Global 3d change, you had to manually disable it in the Nvidia Global 3d settings and manually change the resolution back again.

A new GFE update caused it to do it again, and again, I finally just uninstalled GFE

 

This may be why I decided to stick with XTU instead of TS, now that I think about it.

I only use CPU High Power Settings, and GPU High Performance when doing benchmarks, otherwise I run Balanaced power plan for CPU and Adaptive for GPU.

The small performance hit doesn't affect me, and the heat reduction, and resulting fan noise reduction is most enjoyable for day to day use.

Living with the High Performance CPU / GPU on all the time can be hot and noisy

 

I used the bare minimum paste.. I used CLU on the die.. and Kryonaut on the IHS (lid) but only used a smooth flat finish.. I could probably improve things by going heavier on the CPU lid.. it's probably not making enough contact in my case.. I am terrified every time I open up and remove the heatsinks though because I don't want to strip anything and the fear of having worse temps each time.. probably causing less pressure on the heatsink from the removal and re-tightening each time.

 

Hmm good info.. however it's minuscule but idle wattage jumps from 12 watts to 18-20 watts when set to High performance mode.. Not that 5-7 watts extra will hurt your electricity bill so much but also idle temps are now at 40-42c for me constantly instead of mid 30s. I'll try high performance profile for a few days and see what happens.

 

This is why I like balanced.. I like the CPU and voltage idling down to .6 volts and 900mhz (for some reason Skylake seems to not like to idle down to 800mhz for me and i've tested the 6700HQ and 6700K now and they act identical and hate idling.. With or without Throttlestop.

 

I HAVE always used maximum performance in Win power plan(bench or not ). Idle and light usage will net from 30-38C degrees. It depends on whether you've fixed the cooling on your laptop or not. The fan is not much in use anyway. I see no reason to put balanced or other useless power saving profiles But that's me And 4.5 GHz is my minimum processor clock speed!! Viva ThrottleStop

Spoiler: But that's me :)

Almost 10 hours with web, email, fun and Youtube. Not the heavy task but temp ON MY BGA-KILLER laptop is still ok I think

 

Well we all know you're the most hardcore speed demon on the forum And we love you for that.

I'll have to try that cross method sometime.. The copper plate on these Eurocom F5s are pretty scored up from the factory, so probably better to go heavier to fill in those score marks and pits.

 

I do not think there are many around who prefer maximum performance in Win power plan such as @Mr. Fox and me. What others do, is not so important The main thing is that people choose notebook's with socket hardware. So this is said

Referring to the previous post.
<As I said. People have reported performance problems when they use balanced, self-made power profiles in Win Crap X power plan. The same appliers to those who use the shiiity power management software from their OEM's !!> But not all experience this ****y. But only as a note for people with performance problems.

 

I have the same version as @yotano21
86.04.2B.00.14

 

Thank you for that feedback guys. @keftih and @yotano21. I got @Diversion vbios version quite a while back.

 

You are very welcome.

 

No problem. Are you able to tell us why you need our vBIOS versions? Or is it super secret

 

Careful he might work for the Men in Black.

 

Cheers, I'll have a look but this looks like exactly the same drivers I already got from CyberPower and I've installed them all already.

 

I ran OCCT again with auto fans (still on -150mv / -130mv) and hit max 84c and average 74c.

I think at this rate I don't need to bother repasting for the moment, temps seem pretty good!

 

I'll give this a shot tonight as my graphics score in Firestrike seemed to be a bit lower than others on here and I was looking for some possible tweaks that might bump it up.

 

I only said I think they could be those. Maybe call up that company and ask them about it.

 

We added NVMe drivers to our website drivers. Our Product Marketing Team is preparing few videos to help you with future upgrades.

 

I can't believe how quiet this system is. Playing WoW I can't even hear the fans. The palm rest areas do get warm though. I get more fan noise surfing using Pale Moon browser. Though I've had crashes/RAM issues with the browser on my Alienware 14. I think the program has some kinks.

I've set my keyboard lights to be all white. I've noticed though that some lights still light up green/blue mostly along the bottom keys. Does anyone else have this problem?

 

Sure.

About a month ago I realized that Eurocom had shipped me my BRAND NEW laptop with a QS or Qualification Sample of the MSI GTX 1070. I've known this now for quite a while and kept my mouth shut in hopes that it was a simple mistake and that @Eurocom Support was going to fix the issue ASAP. At first that's exactly what I was told. I was told they would ship out my retail version (version 1.0) as notated on the card PCB, and the lack of Qualification Sample on the GPU Die. I was told that they were awaiting a large shipment (10 days quoted) and that when it arrived they would send me the card, and a prepaid shipping label to ship the card back. I was informed since I am capable I could install the card myself.

I waited those 10 days and even then some and contacted them for an update. I was told they were expecting a large shipment and that they would get back in a few days. Another week and I emailed them again for a follow up. It was at this point their story and stance changed dramatically. Now I was told that they needed a $1500 charge via a PayPal invoice to "secure" the card. $1500! Infuriated I called up PayPal and asked about my options and whether this was practical and whether I was opening myself up to any liabilities. Knowing it wasn't right and I wouldn't do it, I wanted to hear what PayPal thought. They informed me to immediately open a dispute against them and not to ship anything or pay anything until advised by them.

I emailed Eurocom back and informed them that it was ridiculous to have me pay $1500 to secure the card when I paid about the same for the entire laptop! Essentially Eurocom wanted me to insure them and now trust that I would just get that $1500 back on their own good will. Excuse me but isn't Eurocom the business here? Shouldn't they be the one accepting the liability and risks for being a business? They responded and said they were confused even though this was all one single email thread with a single guy. I was then asked to return my laptop for the GPU replacement which I again refused. This is a brand new laptop, I refuse to take risks of damage during shipment and or installation. We've all seen how technicians have returned laptops to owners after RMA. Scratches, bent hinges, etc. Not acceptable for a brand new laptop. Either full replacement or ship me the card and I will do it myself.

I was then offered to simply ship the card back and then they would ship the new card out. I am agreeable to this, however after I called PayPal I was told DO NOT do this as I would again be opening myself up to liability for the card. I was told again that either they will send me the card or the laptop will be going back for a full refund including shipping fees. I've emailed Eurocom and told them to simply send me the card and I will send mine back same after installation.

I kept quite on this issue because I truly believed it was a small mistake and wanted to give Eurocom the chance to correct this issue. I can't keep quite anymore after they have cutoff email communication with me yesterday. If anyone is looking to buy from them I have to share this story as a word of caution. Additionally please check your GPUs. The deviceID is different, the vBIOS is different, the PCB says Version 0.B, it has the green wire mod, and the GPU die will be very scratched most liklely in an attempt to hide the QS label. On their eBay sales of the GTX 1070 the QS label on the die itself has been photo shopped out.

@Eurocom Support @Eurocom Support @Eurocom Support

 

Attention All:

CyperPowerPC is having a Vets Day Sale! I am configured with my new 16L13 with 6700k, 1070, 16gb DDR4, 256GB Intel® SSD 600p Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD, 480gb Kingston SSD, Win10 for $1843 out the door shipped. At this point if I hear nothing back I'm pulling the trigger and they are getting this laptop back. I'll deal with the small label.

I also get GearsOfWar for free, a free HyperX Cloud gaming headset, and a $100 Amex gift card.

At that point I am only paying a little over $200 more than I paid for my Eurocom with zero hard drives, less ram, no OS, no freebies etc.

 

I just emailed them, as I'm in Europe and interested in the laptop as well (but waiting to see if they'll have some sort of Black Friday deal). They replied within a couple of hours saying "It is law we must ship products with our logo on".

Could you take a picture of the lid with the logo and post it here? And give us an update if you manage to remove it.

 

@Talon, I was set to buy from Eurocom, but your experience now has be weary. I have bought from CyberPowerPC (way way way back) and didn't have any problems with them, and have no problems ordering from them again.

 

I highly suggest you think twice about going with them. While it might work out, you might also have issues down the road and this experience shows how they'll handle it. Remember this is a brand new laptop and a total screw up on their part. This is NOT a normal RMA case or warranty support that may have come down the road. That I could have dealt with. This is a case where they sent me a BRAND NEW laptop with a QS GPU, a used QS GPU.

CyberPowerPC is a much larger company from the looks of their website, they sell in normal retail stores, and after seeing their deal that ends this weekend I'll be rebuying my barebones from them. I'm ordering now to minimize time without a laptop and I'm sure I'll have plenty of time to ship this unit back for my full refund including shipment costs.

 

Yeah I also emailed them and got this same response.

Seems like a strange law to me - but regardless of this, they should show the logo on the images of the product on their site if this is the case, or at least mention it clearly somewhere. To sell something so expensive and have it look different than is advertised seems really unfair...and just pretty ****ty of them.

I asked if I should be able to remove it myself and they said with a heat gun / hair dryer you should be able to heat the logo up to melt the glue and it should come off, haven't tried it yet. So I think they are basically metallic type stickers.

 

I've been quite happy with Cyber Power other than this logo situation. Order was dealt with really quickly and they've been pretty easy to communicate with. It's a shame that the logo has ruined my impression of them a bit. If it turns out it's pretty easy to remove then it's not a huge problem, but still annoying.

 

Oh yeah those are stick on metallic lettering.. should be easy!

 

O god those will be super easy to remove. I'm excited to still have a good option for getting my barebones.

 

How accurate was shipment time? Faster or slower than estimated? I am placing my order very soon. I am happy with the price and configuration.

 

My order arrived a day before the estimated shipping date! Ordered on Saturday and had it by the following Monday, so only took them 5 days to build and send it.

 

No no nooo. Don't tell me things like this.i am not the dreamer..but is it really so frequent?
...i sent my unit to MSI Poland service center yesterday due to the core temp offsets that i was not able to mitigate.
If they return it damaged then i will close the notebook chapter forever, will stay with company books only and personal SFF desktops.
Is there some thread which documents such insensitive service repairs?

 

Well, sounds like I'm going to be ordering my laptop today from CyberPowerPC... shame, not going to get the 4K panel, but I think I can manage. I've got plans/options down the line.

 

Nice! Way faster than my order with Eurocom. Ordered on 10/7, laptop shipped on 10/28 and arrived while I was out of town as I had mentioned to them but they shipped anyways. Luckily fedex has the pickup in store option so it was stuck at fedex for 5 days and I picked it up on 11/7. Aside from the delay i'm still very happy with my purchase so far. Waiting for a 120hz screen upgrade in the future. Hopefully I don't run into any issues in the future that would require their support..

I opted for the "no logo" option, but it looks like they only remove the logo on the back panel of the laptop. On the front panel underneath the screen you still get the Eurocom logo as pictured here. I thought my order was made early enough to get one without the logo, but i guess not. I believe they had chimed in on this this earlier in the thread but I had assumed this was only for newer orders.

 

I don't care where you get this notebook, we are still family here.

I'm going to probably get a mod to add Cyberpower Fangbook 4 Xtreme to the title.

 

I have the same issue with white. I get some green showing around the-control, space bar, and the enter button they the number key pad.

I have the keyboard color set to green.

 

I ordered on 10/25 and it was shipped on 10/28 for me. Got it about 4 days later from NY state to Tulsa, OK.

Shipping things out really depends on if the company already has units or supplies in hand. I know about shipping because I ship about 30-60 packages a day, monday-saturday, for my ebay business. You think I get a day off from angry a$$ ebay customers, hellz no. But I love it and I am my own boss and plus I make a nice living out of it.

 

I have the same issues when it was originally set to white. Any other color doesn't seem to have any issues.