*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I have not updated my ME Firmware yet with Premas tool, will doing that have any effect on this "new" issue or even if you are updated and protected this is something new that can or will by pass it? Have many people here updated with Premas Clevo tool? Should it be fairly safe and recommended to do so? I have not yet.

 

I'm not losing any sleep over it. Just disable Windows Update (services.msc) to block any patch crap from being installed and continue on your merry way. I honestly don't give a rat's ass about the over-hyped security bug everyone is whining about. It has been present for years, but it wasn't until recently that anyone cared. There's got to be some kind of "special" story going on behind the scenes. Think about it... AMD was a do-nothing loser company for more than a decade. They show up with some amazing CPUs that finally give Intel a run for the money (but suck at overclocking), Intel responds immediately with better products, and now suddenly they are being ferociously ridiculed for pissing on AMD's parade. Once all the smoke has cleared, and everyone pulls their panties out of their butt-cracks it is going to be interesting to see what follows. There has to be a reason that a "security issue" that has been around for multiple generations was never a big deal until now. If you believe nobody knew about it until the last 60 days, I have some ocean beach property in Arizona that you might be interested in.

 

The ME firmware vulnerabilities and the CPU slowdown are two separate issues. The former can be resolved with Prema's Clevo utility, which works fine on the 16L13. The latter is going to be patched with a software update. Most of the comments regarding system slowdowns have come on the Linux side. It remains to be seen how much performance will be lost in Windows, if any.

 

Yep, here's what Eurocom responded at the time:

"We took a look at the cost of the parts and here is what you are looking at to upgrade your notebooks Motherboard and GPU and LCD panel to the 1080 standard.
Parts – Motherboard, GTX 1080m Video card, 120hz LCD panel, LCD cable
2 Hours Labor
Total $1195.00 USD"

 

So whats the status of f7?

 

F7 = coming when its ready apparently. No news as of yet. I wish i knew trust me haha

 

Man, they should release a tornado f8, DESKTOP CPU AND GPU IN SLI IN A FREAKING MSI GT83VR CHASSIS!!!
( i am really pulsed to even think that this could happen)

 

Well apparently theyre skipping z370 and waiting for z390?? Which makes no sense to me considering we just got z370. Z390 isnt even a thing yet other than a rumor here and a leak there. It sucks cuz i wanted to buy the EVOC 16l with a 8700k but im not waiting THAT long. So i guess ill be buying something else.

 

Z390 is just coming next 5-6months!
They know it and really dont want to waste resources to renew their f5, cause its just gonna get outdated in 6 months, and btw z390 is worth the wait, 8c/16t in a freaking laptop, with 9-10% better per core efficiency then coffeelake! Hell yeah its worth the wait!!!!

 

Hi Dragon!
It's worth the wait if someone doesn't need a laptop right now.
Some people sorely need a laptop to game on that isn't a plastic death trap, so they are better off buying a Clevo with an 8700k and a vapor chamber cooling upgrade, and maybe hope their 1080 can be upgraded to Volta later (hopefully).

Going from 4 to 6 cores is a bigger upgrade than going from 6 to 8 cores, unless those new process manufacturing has a decent increase in IPC (instructions per clockcycle). The only wrench in the works is the Volta upgrade issue.

But I feel buying 6 core (clevo) now is worth it. But buying a FOUR core 7820HK now is not.

 

I hope they will overhaul the cooling system too, will be not nice to have a 8 core cpu and constant thermal throttling on it.

 

Thats the thing!
People(especially eurocom) claim gpus in clevo are *upgradeable*, well actually they are but they are not feasible in any state!
A sinle gtx 1070 costs 670$, thats wayy off the charts!
So to get volta we have to buy the laptop with preinstalled volta gpu, and for that we have to wait! So it comes down *if* we wait for volta, why not wait a little more for icelake?
(A point to be noted! )

 

I don't think you should buy a laptop now, it's best to wait for Volta and Ice Lake and I recommend you get it from Eurocom.

 

Yea, eurocom is also on my best resellers list, i heard they offer 10% discount for students, is that true?

Btw sager is also a tough competitor though. Especially from lpc digital, they are are a prema partner!

 

@Mr. Fox Send me a new PM bro I deleted the old one accidentally

 

Lol the more i think about it the more i wanna buy a desktop. I mean how much can they really overhaul a cooling system?? Eventually there will be just too many cores for a laptop to handle and the only way to bring down heat at that point will be to limit frequency. And i dont even care about overclocking really i just wanna game for long sessions without issues. And plus its actually upgradeable. Hmmmmm back to the drawing board lol.

 

What i mean is i feel like with cpu cores going up the way they are something truly revolutionary needs to happen in terms of laptop thermal managemt. It blows my mind that its 2018 and the best way to manage heat in gaming laptops is still to slather some paste on it LOL.

 

Hello everybody,

I've just noticed that when I press the "max fan" button my GPU fan is not reaching 4.000 rpm anymore. While the CPU fan is getting 4.033 rpm, the GPU fan is only around 3.750.
Has anyone ever experienced this? Should I get a new fan? Does anyone know if I can find it in China?

Thank you!

 

At least they start to use even the vapor chamber.. problem is that they have to be careful even with the weight of the machine, if they put to much “load” on it nobody will gonna buy it. People prefer to move in the desktop side.
(I think thermal problems was one of the reason why bro @Mr. Fox move in the desktop side.)
Sorry if i say wrong bro
I sell my previous evoc p870dm3 for that reason too.

 

Thermals and firmware cancer. Those have always been a challenge because companies that manufacturer laptops thrive on the concept of compromise and never give it their all. So, after about 10 years of battling both of those retarded problems I finally just decided it was time to move on and enjoy things being easier for a change. I used to need a wicked laptop to support my overclocking hobby/addiction because I traveled about 70% for work. I travel hardly at all any more, and there is no longer any compelling reason for me to put up with the nonsense. Moving back to desktops just made good sense, and now I am so glad that I did.

I don't hate laptops by any means, unless they are BGA turdbooks and/or have stock firmware. I loved the Tornado F5 and P870DM3 more than any others. They are both amazing products and excellent examples of the potential laptops have to be awesome when they are built correctly, with good firmware. (Sadly, no laptops are awesome the way they roll off of the assembly line.) However, I hated the amount of time, effort and toil that it took to make them into what I expected them to be... way too much trouble and expense when a beast desktop is available for a whole lot less money and requires such minimal effort in comparison. Plus, the fact that I was able to apply a great deal of what I had learned from overclocking and modding laptops over the years to making the desktop even better just made it that much nicer.

 

Thats interesting, because I have change the panel for 120hz, and NO cable was needed... although I have contacted someone here who confirmed he swapped the vgas without any fuss... but of course who know... I am confused

 

Confess time: the reason why I have purchased my first clevo not long time ago, that I have seen a YT video from you Funny, but since then I have not paid to much attention to desktops (and my desktop any more) I moved to laptops (F5 and 775DM3). You are absolutely right, desktops are much easier in case of OC, assembly (even my ncase m1 ), silence etc... but the feeling that I can grab my F5 and travel with a pretty powerful machine and play almost without any compromise in fullHd, it is priceless.

 

Maybe the old mobo have a different connection.. im not sure about it.

I can play even 4k 60 hz with no problems in almost all games..
Example: outlast 2, maximum setting 65c Gpu max, Cpu 4.5mhz all core between 58c and 64c. Thermals are very good, big thanks to @Mr. Fox for his tweaks and mods on my Tornado

 

On my F5 the temps are a little higher, but the cores do not reach 70c @ 4,5Ghz. All you need to find a good chip 7700k with low vid, and my cpu is not even good...

How can I check that my mobo can handle the 1080? However with 1070 I am absolutely fine

 

It should've been a standard mobo in Tornado F5's for intel 6700k cpu and 1070 GTX GPU, so the edp should've been the same now that I think about it. Unless they were charging me extra for no apparent reason, which would be unfortunate.

I think it's a faulty cable though, I'm still experiencing sporadic horizontal lines that appear even in BIOS.

 

Please, Any one have GTX 1080 power state document

 

Does anyone have any issues with the graphics card fan going full blast then goes to idle and then full blast.
The noise is bugging the **** out of me and I cant seem to make it stop. It doesnt happen when I play games.
The laptop temperature for the cpu is 45C and 46C for the graphics card at idle.

 

It's dying on you, buy a new fan ASAP.

 

Sorry I bought my laptop brand new and it didn't come with such a thing, maybe @Mr. Fox or @Phoenix can help.

 

Welp, @TheBeastDragon has been really nice though!

 

Come one guys, do not fight, we are here to help each other.
peace

I have a question,
There is another way to contact Eurocom Support? or they don't receive my mails or they don't want to answer.....
It's annoying...
Same experience when i bough the X9 2 years ago....Never again..

 

Are you sure the fan is dying. Even when i play games the temps stay within normal margins. I am getting rid of this laptop soon anyways.

 

If you're selling the laptop it's the right thing to do to replace the fans especially if you have a warranty...

 

Yes, that's exactly what happened to my CPU Fan, it failed exactly like that, another member here also had the exact same symptoms, at Idle fan goes on off on off on off= it is dying, time to change it before it stops completely, it will work under heavy load just fine but it will stop completely without a warning.

Both CPU fan and GPU fan are the same model.

 

Ok thank you. The warranty expired 2 months ago.
Where can I order a replacement fan.

 

Does the MSI GT62VR have the same model fan.

 

@yotano21, there's a great post within this topic that gives lots of options. You'll have to search this thread. I wish I could be more help, but at the moment I don't have the time to do it myself.

 

I can't remember but you can search this thread for more information. MSI stocks the fans also @Donald@HIDevolution might help you sourcing them from their store.

 

Yes, it is the same fan.

Just contact MSI directly and they will sell you a new fan...they aren't expensive. https://us.msi.com/about/contact-us-all

 

Yep ... my second fan died few days ago ... I bought the laptop at BlackFriday 2016 ... 1st fan died just like that out of nowhere 1 month before warranty ... second one died like this out of nowhere 2 months after warranty. Both fans look like new ... almost no dust deposits. I start to think they are just programmed this way. To die after approximately 1 year. Ordered 2 ADDA fans ADDA Part AB08812HX26DB00(00G750) ... but still waiting for them.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/msi-16l13-eurocom-tornado-f5-fan-modifications.810712/
Beware not to order the 3 pin AAVID fans which have the very same part number as ours that are 4 pins. And gosh those fans are expensive.

 

Hi,
Could anyone help regarding the CPU overclock in F5?
1) in BIOS what is the right setting? Adaptive or Override?
2) Can I change the BLCK? Currently it is 99,5... not a big thing however
3) Can I manage somehow the voltage peaks? @4,5Ghz my chip goes on 1,18V, however many times the laptop gives 1,23-1,25V, than the temps go upto 75C or even higher... The funny thing that under Intel Burn Test it is around 70c and the voltage is pretty stable at around1,17-8V.
Thanks a lot!

 

There's a BCLK setting buried somewhere in one of the advanced menus.
You can get the BCLK to 100 instead of 99.5 by setting spread spectrum to 0%.
Chip spikes can be removed by setting IA Core Domain (power and performance), IA AC DC loadline to between 1-5. This may result in requiring you to raise vcore however. At high overclocks, you should put this between 10-25.
Adaptive vs Override is user preference, but override gives better control over voltages. However when using adaptive, fixing the IA AC DC Loadline instead of having it at auto greatly reduces spikes (the auto setting is equal to around 1.80 - 2.10 mOhms, or around 180-210 in bios).

 

Try cutting the fan wires close to the end connector on the old fan and testing the fan directly hooked up to a fan controller, then you'll see if the motor is still good.

 

Thank you for the description very much, I really appreciate it! I will try tomorrow - today night is NFL playoff - and report back the feedback! Cheers,

 

The IA AC DC loadline setting seems to be the only way to stop VID spiking, because this setting causes the VID to rise based on CPU load (courtesy of Raja@Asus), but most of these laptops will NOT report the CPU VID accurately if this setting is set to Auto, or close to the Intel reference value (2.10 mOhms), and the CPU "live" vcore will be significantly higher than the VID shown. If you want to know your CPU's actual pre-programmed default VID at any frequency, set this setting to 1 and use adaptive voltage. Then your true preset VID will be shown at idle without any mistakes. But expect your overclocks to be madly unstable until you either add a positive voltage offset, or switch to manual and go from there. You STILL have to deal with vdroop, which can NOT be shown without a vcore sensor.

 

Just for clarification:
1) figure out the necessary vid for Cpu (Intel burn test + cpu-z or hwinfo)
2) BIOS override vid got from step 1
3a) BIOS IA Core Domain eg 5? (I try with 4,5ghz then check 4,7ghz) or
3b) BIOS adaptive -offset 120mv at 4,5ghz currently
and tiral and error with IA Core Domain and increase upto 15-20?
Thx for your kind support, save me a lot of time

 

Well, I'm officially giving up on benchmarking or trying to reach 5.0Ghz, I'm enjoying it as a packmule @4.2-4.7GHz, last verified benchmark @4.9GHz which landed me over 19400 Fire Strike points is enough to tell that I got a beast in my hands, running most games out there with ease, temps are great with a voltage curve for the GTX1080.

 

Even 4,9ghz is a great result! To be honest beside tests, even 4,7ghz makes not too much sense under gaming... with my desktop I have tested 4,5ghz / 4,8Ghz / 5Ghz, under games made 1-2% difference only in fps... (with 1080 GTX MSI gaming X). One setting switch and the difference among these clocks is gone... I prefer acceptable temp hence relatively quite operation over fully max out rig!

 

hi,
I have lurked thru the bios, but have not found IA AC DC, neither spread spectrum which menu point are these? thx
I have also tried the override + 1150 for 4,5Ghz. In windows hwinfo showed 1,3V I do not get is...

 

IA AC DC Loadline is in power and performance, CPU VR settings, or somewhere around there. I don't know your bios. I posted a video link earlier showing exactly where it is in the bios, you need to look for it a few pages back in this thread. Your Bios *IS* Unlocked right? The 1.3v is because of the VID boost. That's not vcore, it's VID. And that's because IA AC DC loadline is set to auto (0). Changing it to 1-10 will fix that and will lower temps and power draw, but your system may be unstable. You may need to raise voltage to compensate (or use Positive offset if using adaptive voltage).