*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I'd take a lower core count with higher CPU frequency any time of the day over more cores with low CPU frequency because not a lot of apps know how to use more cores. Clock speed is king!

 

Expect 6 cores H mobile will replace todays 4 core i7-7700hq/7820hk in Gamingbooks. Intel will most likely offer the whole range of turds. Aka offer 4 core / 8 threads as today. But the ODM/OEM's will try to avoid it in their expencive so called High end gamingbooks. MORE cores means only moore money from your wallet!! This will be the NEW BIG in next Jokebook's, bruh Turds running 3.0GHz on all 6 cores

 

Man I miss the devil's canyon CPU. 4.4 GHz out of the box

 

wikichip.org/core i7-7700k

 

I have not the need for a 7700K. I want something that runs over 4GHz stock but from MSI

 

Then keep your Msibook. All you get with next MSI BGA models is low clocks

 

Have you a crystal ball bro?

Poopoosan =

 

Papusan, to be fair, 7820HK is 45W, but if firmware isn't cancer, it can exceed 45W. I pulled 115W on mine doing realbench at 4.9 ghz, remember?

The problem is, cancer restrictions, if you run into a restriction, will instantly limit TDP to 45W.
Even 16L13 with 7700K stock has cancer. TDP of 91W cannot be exceeded (Power limit override in Bios is ignored).
Prema investigated this and allowed CPU to draw unlimited power, but with CPU and video card running at 5 ghz together full load, the system would just turn off. So he allowed the 91W restriction to remain so the video card could get full power.

 

can you login to my taptop and check my power draw?

 

...how

 

Install TeamViewer, then run it, then I'll send you my TeamViewer ID/Pass so you can login and show me my power draw

 

Not all laptops have those restrictions. But don't count on MSI will let you pull whatever power from next 6 core 45w BGA chips.

 

So your saying that because the new 6 core cpus will have higher core counts they will inevitably have lower clock speed?? I wasnt aware of any correlation between core count and frequency. I was under the imprrssion that with new gaming chips wouod come better gaming performance. Why would they release new chips that take gaming laptops 2 steps backwards just for the sake of core count?? And someone mentioned they missed the devils canyon, didnt they mention some kind of chip similar in that latest leak?? I forget what it was called but it was a halfway point between 8600 and 8700 but seemed geared toward gaming???

 

The 8700K is outperforming the 7700K in multi-core, and matching it in single core, with the 8700K going even higher in clock speed, so hopefully that unlocked i9/i7 HK laptop CPU will also allow high power draw over default 45w limit and allow the 6c/12t and 8c/16t CPU's to fly too

Hopefully there will be an even higher power draw for the 8c/16t like 65w instead of 45w default when the z390 comes out, so as to avoid *requiring* HK and unlocked power to get value over 6c or 4c CPU's.

It should be fun to find out, whenever we get solid info and shipping product to test.

 

Ahem, you talking about msi power draw right?
Dont do that, REPEAT, NEVER!
REASON: I was at the msi launch program in india 6-7 months ago, they had a gt8vr with unlocked 7820hk, with the developer unlocked bios for display(the bios when you purchase from store are diffrent and the tech team of msi uses diff bios!)
So at the event was a csgo competition, i wasnt allowed to play due to my age. So everyone was at the titantron watching heads getting popped, and i was talking to the msi representative there! He said the laptop is fully OCable, so i asked him to get me 4.5ghz, he said he needs to up voltage and power draw!
I said him to go ahead and you know, as far as saw the laptop never booted, he called other guy, he poped laptop open and we saw some burnt ICs later to be known as VRMs.

Moral, really i didnt knew problem is with VRM or with the bios, but dont try it!

 

I didn't say I was gonna overclock any more than what I have overclocked now. I just wanted him to see how much power my system is drawing during a benchmark just to compare it with his system.

 

This means, if i buy it from usa and ship it to usa, can i get it repaired from msi service centre?

 

As long as you have a way to get the machine to the service center, yes. HIDevolution’s global warranty covers the cost of shipping for two incidents per year to and from them should you require service.


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Why not choose Hidevolution to buy MSI 16L 1080 laptop and ship it to India?
I'd still recommend you get 16L or any Clevo over any other BGA since you want to last it a long time. It will until you are out of University education.
At your age, I didn't have any high end PCs to begin with.

 

Well, i didnt said anything about buying it , was just trying to say NOT TO MENDEL WITH MSi Power draws!
And yeah, thats for sure imma take upcoming tornado f7 or clevo with icelakecpus for my college from hidEVO!!!

 

Don't buy from HIDevolution. I recommend you Eurocom or GenTech PC or Xotic PC it is more suited towards your budget.

 

I just have *one reason* and it matters very much to me, the reason to buy from hidevolution,

GLOBAL WARRANTY

 

I understand but see if those companies that I mentioned can offer you such a warranty because I don't want you to go over your budget.

 

Whoa, finally someone other then @Vasudev who cares about budget!!

Well, from past 4months i have idling aroud these sites, none have global warranty! Also there are other reasons to consider hidEVO
1. Sweet PremaMod bios
2. Delicious "under the warranty delidding"
3. Exotic technical service
4. Muaahh "undervolting"




Wait i thought you were working for hidEVO?¿
And you are *INSISTING ME TO NOT BUY FROM THEM*?
really?
Any ways i also compared budgets and after adding cost of delidding etc etc, found hidEVO is just like 90-100$ more!!

 

I don't work for no one I just like their service but we have to be sensible here. For your particular case baba I don't recommend you buy from them. You could do so many things with a 100 bucks

You can delid yourself since you're a super expert in computers and warranty I don't think you will ever need it. Unless you physically damage your taptop then even the warranty won't help j00. Worst case scenario if you ever did need the warranty, you can just pay for shipping and I doubt that'll ever happen. Be smart... be like Phoenix...

 

Good suggestion Phoenix. And he is just a kid and delid might be a little out of his comfort zone.
@OfficialTheDragon You have couple of exams, correct? Prepare well and do your best and that might impress your parents to spend a little more than current budget. You could wait for Volta GPU because that'll be worth the wait and a very good upgrade path. And *will* last you more time. If your relatives live in the US then get it from there.

 

Yeah, i remember i made that kinda post that" i kniw everythin regarding computers" and i regret it! I actually came to know that i know nothing, ( @Prema made me realisr this).
And yeah regarding delidding, i really dont want to do it my self, i have read more horror stories then success stories about delidding!

And yeah lot of people recommended me that i ACTUALLY dont require a warranty, but believe me or not my hands are kinda cursed!
On whatever machine i have put my hands on, errors and defects like that happen that no one has ever heard of!
Thats why if you see my posts, most of them are towards my clevo's health! I have owned like 2 clevos before, each of them died 1.2-1.5 years, one died by MoBo failure and other by Gpu filure.
And if in worst case scenario, if i need to ship my laptop to usa, it will be 400+$ putting the repair cost aside! So why not pay 300$ and use the laptop fearlessly with a global warranty!!!

 

Your choice, I gave you my professional advice.

 

I didn't know you owned couple of clevos.
My hands are cursed anything I touch dies too, I decided to invest a little time to know more about disassembling and stuffs like that.
Then go ahead with hidevolution. You might wanna try PM'ing company rep about his advice on which to choose. It doesn't hurt to hear their opinions and experience as well.

 

The laptop won't kaboom when it's powered on unless something is set EXTREMELY wrong.
This isn't a power draw problem.
The VRM's need to be at full load in order to kaboom, unless some very bad spike happened on power on due to something set wrong (Or a Bios bug).

The only way for kaboom to happen when the laptop is first powered on is:

1) vcore is somehow set at >1.5v
(I've booted at 5 ghz @ 1.38v, no kaboom, for Superpi 1M, and 4.9 ghz @ 1.35v or 1.37v (I forgot), for Cinebench r15 run).

2) IA AC DC Loadline is set to "Auto" (between 1.80 mOhms to 2.10 mOhms), when trying to boot at >1.4v (this can cause 1.55v during load, but the resistance rises with load, so this shouldn't happen at idle!)

3) IA AC DC loadline is set close to the upper limits (e.g. past 5-10 mOhms (value=500-1000 or higher) when booting at high vcore. Max value is 62 mOhms. this will cause a nuclear boom).

4) VRM's had chewing gum as thermal pads instead of real thermal pads.

5) Changing POWER LIMITS in the Bios cannot and will not cause anything like this.
The power limits are already set high enough anyway for normal operation. the only thing that needs to be changed is CPU Current Limit, which is nothing but a limit. 200 amps (value=800) is high enough. And this can NOT cause a BOOM when powering on, ever. Maximum limit for this value is 1000 (250 amps).


I wonder if it was the GTX 1080 SLI (or 1070 SLI) video card that went kaboom (maybe already damaged from before?) CPU VRM's can't kaboom like that....and you don't need to change anything except CPU_Current_Limit (ICCMAX) and voltage to run at 4.5 ghz...anyway I'm just guessing. But unless they were truly using a 'different' Bios, the only way for the VRM's to blow up is if the guy put a typo and entered 1800mv (1.8v) for voltage instead of 1180 (1.18v); our Bios is limited to 1500 or 1400mv...(1.5v or 1.4v; I forgot which, maybe its 1.5v).
And MSI Bios....maybe it was just the same Bios with unlocked EC, but they used "key combination" to unhide the menus (engineering mode), rather than a special bios. Because AMI would not code a 'special bios' for MSI. It doesn't work like that. They just unhide the menus or program supervisor menus directly...they DO have an unlocked EC though. But only MSI Taiwan has access to that....

 

They had 1080 in sli, and nope as far as i saw the burnt vrms were ON the mobo, which means they have to cpu vrms!
All the thermalpads and thermal pastr were stock std, just same as you wil get if you buy it now.
I am really not sure what actually happened that evening, but that tickles my stomach not to get a msi.

 

Wait a minute.
PM me please.

 

They actually said they will be introducing a tornado f7, may be barebone of gt73 or gt75(or in worst case ge73)

 

Yeah I wish I had better news about drivers, but as you know you are now using my old screen .. So I won't be able to test any more drivers for it like I was. I do miss how clear and crisp that screen was. Going to need to get a new monitor for my desktop to match that ones quality soon.

Enjoy!

 

Ye bro Cavell, i don't know why is not an option for the main resellers. Maybe @Eurocom Support, @Donald@HIDevolution can answer for us?

 

Mainly because too few people get or want 4K. However there is a 'special requests' box as you check out, so anyone wanting that screen can make their request there.

 

Did Eurocom ever get back to you on the issue?

 

Thats a good news, thanks Donald

 

More and more games are taking advantage of multiple cores. It's happening.

 

Guys, anyone here who would like to swap 1070 to 1080 and of course some cash? This laptop is amazing... if only it was 17'... however my 1070 gtx is pretty good (+200mhz core and +600mhz memory), I would like to max it out, and have a 1080 gtx. I have already bought a 330W charger here
cheers

 

I believe you'll also need a new motherboard too. That's what I was informed when I asked Eurocom about upgrades.

 

Sure about that? Previously I wanted to buy this laptop from someone, who had the machine either with 1070 or 1080... but of course I am not sure about it, however seems strange to me

 

Dam i didnt know they were in the process of making a tornado f7!!! Thats awesome!! God i wish i knew when these new f5/f7 were coming. Do you guys think they will be here by june?? My wife's allowing me to buy my gaming pc for my bday in april. But if their coming out a couple months after i can wait. @Donald@HIDevolution can you give a more nailed down estimate of when the evoc 16l will b available with the 8700k or whatever the next cpu coming is in the evoc 16l/tornado f5/f7???

 

Yeah, but 2.9-3.1GHz on ALL cores (Next BGA) doesn't exactly give you an advantage

 

It'll still play the game fine given a good GPU, which is ultimately more important.

 

I know. But still a lot games will rely on faster (fewer) cores.

Next gen BGA won't have faster cores even with fewer cores with load.

 

No leaks at this time. We will have to wait to see when they will be released.

 

https://www.howtogeek.com/338269/a-huge-intel-security-hole-could-slow-down-your-pc-soon/

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/...ing-microsoft-patch-to-fix-an-intel-cpu-vulne

@Phoenix @Mr. Fox @Papusan @Falkentyne @Donald@HIDevolution @Prema

So, how bad is it? Is a new BIOS update now required?

 

Intel CPU Bug Cannot Be Fixed With Microcode Update | Cripples Performance Up To 30 Percent
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...cripples-performance-up-to-30-percent.812424/

Critical Flaws in Intel Processors Leave Millions of PCs Vulnerable
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...lions-of-pcs-vulnerable.810994/#post-10657463