*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

A few days ago my fans started rattling and slowing down (less than 9 months of life).
I wrote an email to Eurocom EU to get a solution, and I discovered that there's a new BIOS version available, too.
Anyone of you already installed that?

EDIT: they are going to send me replacement parts

 

This one: T5_EC113 ?

 

Have there been any BIOS updates for this chassis within the last year please?

I have BIOS ending 308 and EC ending 113. Laptop is finally back with Cyberpower, having been on a very long stay with MSI to have the 'waiting for the factory in China' motherboard replaced. Cyberpower have 308 so that is most likely what it will come back to me with.

 

I don't know, they didn't mention BIOS upgrade anymore. I'm waiting for replacement parts

 

Can some extremely bored person please download RW Everything, go to the Embedded Controller (EC-RAM) and change the value in register C5, from 9E (default on all MSI jokebooks and notebooks) to 80 or below ? (It can go down to 00), please?

Please tell me what happens to EC RAM register C6 after you change C5. Does this change to 40 or 41?
after changing, check maximum power draw in games and combined GPU+CPU stress tests. See if you have extra power limiting or excessive power limiting (E.g. CPU being throttled to VERY low mhz). You will need COMBINED CPU+GPU load however (yes, furmark+prime95 will be enough, but we know how people hate furmark+prime95, so maybe try Heaven or Valley Benchmark + AIDA stress test (or prime95).

Papusan is getting mighty mad now....

Because 16L13 is not supposed to have NOS (Battery boost @Papusan ). But it still has the NOS master flag! I've already determined that register C5 (9E) is the NOS master status flag, and register C6 is the "full power" or "throttled power" flag for NOS. For this laptop, the NOS threshold should be set to infinite, so it won't ever use battery boost, but that's internal code. But what's pathetic is that the master flag is even here to begin with!.

Unless internal code sets the NOS cutoff to maximum AC limit instead of 160W (GTX 1070) or 240W (GTX 1080).

Doing this is harmless. I just want to see what happens because this is NOT supposed to be a jokebook. When you're finished having fun, change it back to 9E.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution Do you have any Idea if you will offer the new Nvidia GPU line for the 16L13 to upgrade from existing GTX 1080 and GTX 1070? Any time frame to expect? Should it be end of 2018?

 

At this time...no, I am sorry but I have no idea whether you can upgrade to the next gen NVIDIA GPU. We will have to wait until it is released in the Fall to be able to test the upgradeability.

 

I'm not going to panic, if there isn't one in the future that means another new machine, only after my EVOC becomes useless that is, which I doubt for the next 2 years.

 

Will you guys also carry the 17" SLI model that @Eurocom Support had talked about?

 

We will need to evaluate it before we can decide.

 

Where have they talked about this ?

Even I am unaware of a SLI version in the works, though we did have things like an AMD version in the works which I assume is out of the question now.

 

It was somewhere in this thread.

They mentioned a 17" SLI version of the Tornado F5 being released later this year. Although a more recent post I saw somewhere here mentioned early 2019 now but I can't find it.

These are all I can find for now, but 17" model is definitely coming:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-867#post-10619811

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-core-coffee-lake-cpus.804068/#post-10601641

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-803#post-10597704

 

F7 same as GT73 chassis. Max is 1070 in SLI. Forget 1080/2080SLI with +100w Intel 8 core i7 working properly without major changes.

 

I will have to ask them for more info. Thanks, cheers !

 

Let us know what you learn. If it's GT73VR based with only GTX 1080 or SLI 1070 it will be a disappointment.

 

I think you mean GT75VR based...the GT73VR doesn't support SLi. In any event, the GT83VR is the only MSI model that supports Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080's in SLi.

 

The GT73VR supports SLI in 1070 format only. The CM238 version EC has provisions for exceeding the 330W system limit (at least 460W according to sirgeorge) if both PSU's are detected as connected; if one is removed, the power limit becomes 230W. The HM175 version, which has no SLI SKU, has a max power cap of 330W; the CPU will throttle to 800 mhz if this cap is exceeded.

 

The bottom line is, only the CM236 version of the GT73VR supported SLi, and it has been discontinued since about August of last year...so an F7 based on that chassis is not likely, and even if it were, it would still be limited to no Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080's in SLi.

However talking about the motherboard, BIOS, EC and power limits for BGA platforms does not relate to the F7, or the F5 / EVOC 16L-G-1080. These are LGA laptops with design specs all their own.

The F7, and future F5 / EVOC 16L-G-1080, will be based, assuming they ever launch, on the GT75VR, and GT63VR, with the Z390 chipset. Given the extra thermals, it is highly unlikely we will see the F7 support Dual nVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 in SLi...but if it does, get ready for a hot potato with no whining allowed.

 

as for me , i am happy with a laptop without sli that run 15 degree Celcius cooler .

 

SLi is a waste of money... there is only bunch of games which really use it... majority shuttering, or pushing them for 50-60%... on the top of that, they produce so much heat... I am saying that, because I used to be an SLI fan, but by the end of day it is just not worth it... always going for the high end vga it is still cheaper and more efficient (but that's my opinion ofc)

 

yeah i like the temp to be 75 max stress and under 70 when playing game . sli is out of the question . and yeah i play old game but if i buy a new laptop i want to play the latest titles while stay cool and silent . nah, not loud will work too .

 

What use MSI to detect the two PSU's? I know Dell use the middle thin pin. Something connection signal sensor in the dual connector box Msi offer?

 

I don't know, because the master power ID remains 10 (230W). When sirgeorge disconnected one of the two 230W bricks, he had extreme throttling. You should PM him. He hasn't been here since he posted a modifed bios for skylake GT73VR.

 

Here you go, from March 1, 2018:

 

Yeah, I think so too, plus in a laptop it takes that parody and magnifies it.

 

Hence the reason I was asking for the new Turin Nvidia GPUs XX80 series! Single highest grade GPU in laptop is all I need, the GTX 1080 is such a beast but to drive 4K Ultra at 60FPS, it can't do it unless you drop to low settings 4K. If the new Turin series is more potent twice as much, I would love to get one, if the new 8 core CPU MOBO comes out for this current EVOC chassis then I also want to upgrade.

I know, I'm such a sucker for new tech even if my evoc still powerful in the next 2 years, if I can upgrade it, why not?

 

Hey @matyee

I am in the process of trying to get my 120hz monitor to work on my F5 with drivers newer than 378.92. I have been chatting with Eurocom today and recieved a new BIOS (E16L1IE9.310) which unfortunately still has not fixed my issue. What BIOS are you currently using to make the 120hz/backlight on/brightness controls work? Also, are you by chance on Windows 7?

Is there anyone else on W7 with the 120hz screen that has been able to use newer Geforce Drivers?

 

I'm on E16L1IE9.30C BIOS build date 3/10/2017 and have full brightness control and perfect drivers with my AUO TN 120Hz panel.

 

Ugh, frustrating. That's the BIOS that I had before i upgraded to this latest one and I had the backlight issue with the 120hz screen. Are you on Win 10 or 7?

 

Get in touch with svet, he will prepare the necessary bios for you, with works perfectly with 120hz screen, and the brightness control also fixed.

 

I did get in touch with him, he said that if this a Eurocom Tornado F5 (which it is) he recommends that I get in touch with Eurocom support in order to fix it.

I am thinking maybe that the fix does not work with Windows 7.

 

Why do you keep using Windows 7?

 

I still like windows 7 but due driver and other motherboard company lack of support.


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I used 10 for a couple of months but it caused me some headaches that I did not have with W7. Things like my joystick software not working correctly when I play Elite, the automatic forced restarts with updates, automatic driver updates, backgroud tasks taking up resources when I was playing MWO that made my framerate drop to a crawl. Things like that. I am sure that most of those issues have been resolved at this point, and there are new ways to block W10 from doing the things it does, but when I have not had issues with W7 (and I was dual booting at the time), it was easier to continue with 7 and not lose my mind.

Also, everytime one of the major W10 updates comes out, I see posts saying something broke along the way. I will make the move to W10 eventually, but I would rather wait until I hear less complaints. And I do realize that mostly the vocal minority are the ones who complain and have issues.

 

Today I received the replacement fan: because it's completely similar to the original, but more silent, I hope it will last longer

 

Hi guys, what are your idle temps for cpu/gpu. Eg everyday browsing (no fullhd YT). i have 50 for cpu and 60 for gpu which seems very strange... I have repasted everything some weeks ago...

 

60 for GPU? If you have the Nvidia control panel set to "maximum performance", that will cause that, because the GPU won't downclock when idle.

 

Bingo!

Bingo! Thanks a lot, that was the problem. Unfortunately the high temps, when both cpu+gpu are working on 100% still not solved, I could not do anything but underclocking for acceptable temps.

 

29°C the CPU / 34°C the GPU while surfing internet (Ambient temperature: 21°C)... As cold as my previous desktop PC
If i keep Nvidia board on "max performance" the GPU rises up to +10°C, so I prefer to keep it on "optimal performance" and then tell which program I want to run at max performance.

 

Thanks, seems really good temp! Falkentyne advise was great, not the gpu sits around 38-39C, which resulted the cpu temps go down to 42-45C. The full gpu+cpu problem for still exist, I could manage only with downclock. For general games which is optimized correctly 4,5Ghz is not even a problam with acceptable temps.

 

You probably need also to remove the fans from their place and clean the radiators from inside: I did this work 2 days ago while replacing a faulty fan, and now the PC is cooler and seems quieter, too, tends less to ramp up RPM

 

Hi Guys,
I have shared previously that my friend has an eurocom tornado f5 which has different bios in his vga.
Is it safe to put that card my card's bios? Mine uses only 0,9V which result much lower temp. If yes, can somebody help how to do it? First I would like to backup the current bios than backup mine and flash to his, to see.
thanks in advance!

 

Just thought I'd share I swapped out my 6700K (shipped with unit from Eurocom) with a store bought 7700K from Microcenter today and wow the difference is amazing. This CPU runs 4.4Ghz at a lower voltage than the 6700K I got from them at 4.0Ghz. TBH I think I got a crap chip with my original unit, and this store bought chip is far superior. 4.2Ghz runs around 1.0 VID. Temps are all within 1-2C of each other where my old chip had 1 hot core that I could never tame even after a delidd.

Edit: only did this as my 6700K found a new home.

 

If you have COD WW2 I would appreciate it, if you could test it... I am wondering if my units is bad, that I have extremely high temps with my rig...

 

Sorry but don't have that game. What are you temps? I have BF1 and Siege both of which seem to hit the CPU hard.

 

COD WW2 or Starwars Battlefront 2 - both use the cpu+gpu 100%-100%. For me at 4,4Ghz 88C on CPU and 75C on GPU. With the gpu I do not have any issue, but my CPU runs really hot. With other games even at 4,5 or 4,6 I do not have any issue. But when both run at 100%, I need to downclock the cpu to 4.0Ghz@1,034V. Then it remains 80C at full 100% speed...

 

I mentioned this before, but you have a problem either with the delid, thermal paste (or LM), or the IHS or something is wrong with the heatsink.
The fastest way to determine if it's the IHS or delid itself is to test the CPU in another system, but understandably, this may be difficult for you to do. Even if someone you know has a 7700K system and would allow you to swap the CPU if they trust you to install it and throw on the thermal compound.

But no way in hell you should be getting 80C at 1.03v in anything.

Can you download prime95 and run a prime95 small FFT test (keep AVX and FMA3 disabled) at full fan speed for about 5 minutes, and post the temp screenshot?

 

For me BF1 which uses a huge amount of my CPU and GPU at 99-100% I am around 67C GPU and 70~C CPU. This is at 4.2Ghz all cores. I am not delidded either.

 

is there any way to switch off the email notification? so annoying...
Falkentyne: I will try when I have opportunity to have an extra 7700k... if I only use prime95 its stays around 70C... but I will make a test tomorrow...

 

So you're having a problem with the GPU putting heat on the CPU then?

Wait.
@matyee
Do you have that "metal shield" on top of the CPU's heatsink that is attached by 4 screws? (ABOVE the heatsink???????????)

Please come back to me and tell me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW Why can't I send you private messages?