*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

yeah no update on that version exactly :S

 

So CLU on direct GPU and CPU?

 

can be done on the die and copper, and I think the IHS on the CPU is fine to use too, it's not aluminium, it's like copper with zinc or nickel or something coating, all I know is it's usually okay, but I always just incase wear out the coating and only use the LM on the inside touching the die area and the IHS, and then usual preferred pastes on the outside.

 

Thank you!

 

Guys, what does my cpu max at 50W? I have also realized the after certain gaming I have power limit exeeded. Is it normal?

 

Actually your temps also seems sort of high, for so low power as well.
Like very high for 1.164v but only 50W... but over all the temps seem okay, if your getting proper performance out of 4.4ghz and your 1070GTX

 

Here is my firestrike result with theese settings... seems ok, but power limit exeeded, 50W, 85C@1,164V...

the temps are after 1 hour of Cod WW2, just pure prime95 or IBT temps are lower

 

GPU BIOS is 86.04.2B.00.14

My 1070 is the 115W variety but from your HWInfo screenshot it looks like yours is 125W

 

Majority of the time the gpu maxes out @ 115W, but sometimes 125W... what I like is the 0,9V, my F5 had 1,05V 144W but it was hot... I will do a bottom mod soon, I hope it will help... but I am still not satisfied with the temps, power, firestrike result... it should go better than this.. maybe sthing set wrong in the bios...

is there any bios step-by-step tutorial what I should check?

 

@maytee

Go into your Bios and go to the "CPU VR Settings", the same settings where the IMON SLOPE/IMON OFFSET is (you can find it, you've been there before), go to the Intel Core I/A section (since there's also GT slice and GT unsliced and system agent), the Core I/A section, and go to "VR Current Limit", read the divider CAREFULLY on the right side, then set it to 200 amps. The Bios value depends on the divider. If it's 1/4, then you enter 800. If it's 1/2, you enter 400.

Then try and see if that works
Please get back to me and post results. keep in mind I do NOT Own this laptop. What I can do is limited. The only known throttle point is 91W, which is the CPU's TDP, due to this barebones not having the MSI power ID's programmed into their EC (long story), and this laptop (without a prema bios) still drains battery power while gaming (NOS).....

 

Not much difference I see it was 1/4 divider, I have set to 800.

 

Hi! Make sure to start from Mr.Fox awesome guide here http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-433#post-10481524 and check all proposed settings. (there is a pdf file with all of them)

Regards!

 

thx, I have played some overwatch and cod ww2, the power limit exeeded seems to be disappeared...

 

Good job.

 

Also an interesting thing with Svet's bios... after a bad OC setting (eg restart, power down), the bios set itself back to default... so all the settings are gone

 

If this wasnt a very hard shut off, You can just enable overclocking in bios and boot up again. And use your mobile phone and shot a few pict of power settings used.

 

SVET bios does not cause this.
You have Intel XTU installed or you have the XTU driver active.
Please load XTU, load the "default profile" (reset to defaults), then close XTU then uninstall it. Then power off the laptop and power back on.

The problems will be fixed.

 

Thank you, I will give it a try!

 

After uninstalling XTU (AFTER loading XTU default settings and pressing apply) and powering the laptop off, you will have to re-do your bios settings again. I am NOT sure if you redo the bios settings after rebooting to windows for the first time after, then shutting down, or if you can do it right after uninstalling XTU and powering off.

 

OK, I dont mind, I will follow the tutorial of Mr Fox, and your previous recommendation. Intel XTU is good to test the CPUs for optimum settings, but after I have it, it rather mixes up stuff...

 

one more thinng, is there any metric, where I need to drill out the wholes for bottom mod? I would like to do it this week

 

You have the unlocked Bios. You don't need XTU for anything anymore. And the "package Power Limits" setting does NOT WORK on your laptop because it's missing the "power ID" bypass to allow higher than TDP to the CPU (only way around this is to set IMON SLOPE (in CPU VR settings->Core IA domain) to 50, to trick the CPU into reporting half power draw.

 

ah this stuff again, keep forgetting this, think you've covered it plenty of times in this thread though haha

 

I just replaced the GPU fan, it was dying with it's last breath.....exactly one year of operation of hardcore benchmarking and gaming, disappointed it didn't last six more months but performance wasn't that bad either, there is room for improvements. One helluvaride!

 

Not all aspects... the power limited exceeded was solved, who knows what else is wrong

 

Done today a standard Fire Strike benchmark, only to see how it will perform on daily work setup with low temps, CPU runs 4.2GHz, GPU is set to curve 0.900v and MEM OC to +500. Very good temps, GPU maxed at 78c. CPU top was 68c. 17K FS score is good enough.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/25818435?

 

Pretty similar to my GT73VR 7RF 7820HK running just 3.9 GHz. Either do I feel need to OC further, at least so far.

 

What is the purpose of this in the 16L13 EVOC? Trusted Platform Module 2.0 (TPM) - Intel ® PTT.

What does it do exactly?

I also want to install a USB-C Finger print reader, tired to typing passwords, using an Image processor like in Alienware can be compromised AFAIK (iPhone X) so finger print is what I want to have, strange they didn't include it in this small machine......

 

@Mr. Fox was the one who introduced the idea in this thread, he had some photos about where to drill the holes. Try to make them just where the fan intakes are facing the bottom panel.

 

it's a security feature to encrypt I believe.

 

I believe TPM is used for disk encryption, things like Bitlocker will not allow you to enable it and encrypt data without TPM in your machine.

 

right.

 

I have received a 7700k (borrowed) to test my system... the 7700k delided and as I see a standard chip (for the same clocks it needs higher voltages)... however the results are talking for themselfs (after 30 mins of cod ww2 and 30 mins overwatch).
I cannot wait having the fan filter bought from ebay and to make the bottom mod, I hope it also improves the temps...

thanks guys for the many support, this community is amazing... it is incerdible how much stuffs I have learnr about gaming laptops and this little MSI barbone...

 

@matyee So you mean the chip you borrowed has much better temps than the old one ?

 

is this comparison one 7700K delidded versus another 7700K delidded ?

 

Yes. I have complained here pretty much how bad my temps are... its a comparison mine delided 7700k with my friends delidded 7700k... the difference is visible, my is ****ty work... but due to the issue that the corners are superglued back, I was afraid to relid, so I cannot open it up...

with my friends cpu my temps improved a lot. on 4,5ghz the max I saw was 82C for secs. My had 85-87C on 4,4.... and my friends cpu require more voltage, and even though it is cooler. The only issue what I see, that this "new" cpu makes voltage spike +20-25mV with the same settings...

all in all my cpus delid is bad, now it turned out. Next step sell my cpu even for pressed price and buy a new one, and make a pro delid.

 

I hate that, some systems are sent to me with superglued corners on the IHS/CPU and I have to scrape that **** off, because it makes for inferior LM pasting, so I know how you feel. Its like extra work for nothing, but it is savleagable if your careful.

While your at it, shine your IHS or buy one of those all copper ones too and do it, might make a few temps of a difference. But the chips themselves are sooo similiar, the difference is negligible so I wouldn't say your 7700K is itself different then your friends - the chip itself.

 

@matyee

Please in the future do NOT use superglue!!!!!!! ever!!

use this!! Just 4 small drops/dabs in each corner is all you need!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002UEN1U/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_8?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3OSNZBUPOJ7AE

Heck, even TRANSPARENT NAIL POLISH is better than superglue...(although I wouldn't use that....)

 

I would never use superglue, it was made by the previous owner... i am afraid to scrap off, rather sell it as is...

 

How can i remove the superglue? Any tools or special stuff?

 

Acetone (maybe Goo-Gone, but I don't know about that). With cotton swab and try to get it to "soak" under the IHS edge. But it doesn't always work. You have to try to get it inside the crack and have it somehow leak in. A few people on "OVERCLOCK.NET" On the delidded Intel CPU thread were successful with doing that. But some were NOT.

 

I could sell for 200EUR, I think I do not risk killing it. The only thing what I liked in that cpu, that it needed relatively low voltage... but I do not want to break it. Acetone does not bother the pcb?

 

Acetone does not destroy the PCB. I've used it to clean off nail polish off my BGA package.

 

I try to make a good picture of it to ask professional opinion to give it a try or sell

 

actually silicon is best, like from a glue gun just dab it on a paper and use something like a tooth pit to do a tiny dab in two corners to hold it on. I told my partners to use silicon, heck you can get the exact stuff INTEL uses from a hardware store, it's just black silicon. Thats actually what I advised them to use, but they also use superglue, and I always tell them not too.

 

I have taken a deep breath, and started. I have scraped the superglue at the IHS side not to hurt the PCB. After the second corner - it was 1 minute work - the IHS has come off! See the professional work - khm khm... Now I understand why my temps were so bad... I have ordered immediately copper IHS to make it PRO delid

 

Wow, that's a liquid metal delid right? (can't quite tell from your pics) But wow, if that's a liquid metal delid & you see how it's leaked all over the PCB, you were very lucky it didn't go flow over those 4 metal 'dots' close to your CPU core otherwise I think it would have killed your CPU! Those metal 'dots' are supposed to be covered with Kapton tape or nail polish before you liquid metal delid, to protect against the very thing I'm mentioning.

 

Yes, it is CLU... I was alway complaining here why my temps are just so bad... I have tried everything... now when I have got a replacement 7700k realized it must be the cpu (and most probably impropriate delid). It was

 

Wow. I've never seen anything like this before.

 

Who did the delid?