*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

That is very bizarre. Is your GPU/RAM also overclocked? Since RealBench stresses multiple components, it may not necessarily be the CPU... Maybe something else is acting unstable? Try the same bench, but with the GPU/RAM at stock.

If that doesn't work, then I'm stumped... although I would not remotely call myself an expert at overclocking. Maybe one of the other more experienced members might have an idea.

 

Anyone know what the fan noise is like on this machine, say compared to a desktop?
And what about the weight? On Eurocom it says 2.9kg but is that for the base config only?

I like that this one doesn't have the 1337 g4m3r trims that the GT62 has.

 

@Diversion
Bud can you measure the HDD slot if it has depth for 15mm units? A friend asked me about it and it made me curious too

 

GPU is stock. I've been overclocking for years and this makes no sense to me. Temps are completely normal.. I've been running the test with 32gb memory being used.. Let me down to 4gb and see what happens. Maybe faulty/overheating ram.

 

I will try!

 

Hard to compare to a desktop.. I mean, similar I guess? It only spins up fans (that aren't very loud) under a big load like a triple A game. Unit is 6.4 lbs with 1070 + 6700K.. Of course mechanical HDDs will increase this weight slightly.

 

Was playing this morning. At auto fan profile the fans stay virtually silent and CPU leveled off at around 78-80C with -160mV. GPU leveled off at 78C. This after 10 minutes and temps remained here for an additional 10 minutes without change.

In all hoensty though why would you be gaming on auto fan profile which was designed for the much weaker 6700HQ in mind? In fact its the same fan profile used on the 1060 edition as well. MSI hasn't created separate fan profiles for different laptop needs and has left it up to the end user to create one they are comfortable with using the software. This is no different from a desktop guy trying to overclock his CPU with the default cooler or not ramping up his fans speeds for the overclock.

Even if you had set fans to 50% the laptop would have been cooler. Ambient temps and playing on a flat surface also matter.

 

*This is no different from a desktop guy trying to overclock his CPU with the default cooler or not ramping up his fans speeds for the overclock.* Very vice said!! Rep added Tweaking their hardware outside the hardware thermal specifications, but forget compensate with better cooling. And afterwards complaining/whining why their overclocked hardware thermal throttling or don't work as intended

 

I LOVE this thread. Eh guys when i get one of this baby please help me out soon... Thanks

 

Another toy for you to do some reverse engineering with, omega.

 

Wonder if something like this is still made today for Skylake sockets:



Would love to have this so I can put the heatsink directly against the die!

 

the heatsink doesn't extend far down enough to actually touch a bare die

 

Yeah I know, I tried that already - I forgot those die protectors only work with water blocks .. I'm thinking I have to use something like: https://www.amazon.com/Vktech®-Heatsink-Copper-Thermal-15mmx15mm/dp/B00E5SMY0W?tag=linus21-20

Some copper shim plates over the die to close the gap.. But i'm not so sure that using 1 or 2 of these copper shims would really make a difference over the aluminum IHS.

 

Isn't the IHS still required in order for the socket clamp to actually lock in the CPU?

 

You could use the pressure from the heatsink to hold it in too..

 

Aha didn't think of that

 

Something I thought about today that seems to be very glazed over is the fact that the F5 heatsink is far superior to the retail GT62. I downclocked my CPU to 3.1ghz on all cores to match the clockspeed of the 6700hq. Ran max fans in BF1 and CPU temps on all cores hovered around 45-48C. GPU sat around 63C.

My old GT62 would be around 55-58C on all CPU cores with the GTX 1060 on board. So on average I am running 10C cooler with a gtx 1070 vs the 1060 GT62. Imagine if they had put this cooler on the retail GT62.

 

As far as notebook coolers go, it's definitely one of the better ones. I have no idea why so many laptop manufacturers think it's acceptable to slap a flimsy cooler on a 6700HQ and let it hit 90+ C. Thermal throttling is a safety feature, not a crutch to rely on Looking at you Razer...

 

Info for you about IHS. And what metal is used. Change to Copper shim plates wouldn't do much vs. using IHS!!
http://overclocking.guide/the-truth-about-cpu-soldering/

 

I wonder if this will ever get a GTX 1080 option


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Yep.. Same thing for me.. Because when you downclocked you're pulling the same watts as a undervolted 6700HQ and the heatsink is bigger/heavier duty and soaks up that weak sauce wattage easy.

 

Okay folks.. The bottom lid is a HUGE restriction for us on the 16L13 (and likely as well for GT62).

wPrime 1024 with lid ON and Auto fans:


wPrime 1024 with lid ON and MAX fans:


wPrime 1024 with lid OFF and Auto fans (3rd column over is max temps):


wPrime 1024 with lid OFF and Max fans:


What's that.. 10c cooler or more with just auto fans and lid removed.. hmmm.

Time to mod the bottom lid... Without ruining it's rigidity.. Sigh.

 

Bottom cover/lid off and max fans in Crysis3 which (normally gets up to 79c-81c on gpu):


CPU is at 3.4ghz, gpu is stock.. Wow.

Crysis3 is my hardest hitting game in terms of temps..You can see the GPU is obviously stressed to the max as it can't even hold 60 fps at ultra everything. Crazy cold now.

 

When will your notebook cooler come? Remember to post test results
Can you please test http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/cinebench-15-download.html with 6820Hk multiplier? Then compare your score afterwards with the Cinebench R15 scores from the Throttle monster.., The new AWbook 15R3 with 6820Hk http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i7-6820HK-Notebook-Processor.149418.0.html


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My cooler came today but the fan bearing is busted.. Already setup an RMA. Afraid on getting it swapped with the same model but it does still move some air (very noisy though). I have my laptop on it right now though and just having it elevated seems to help the temps a bit.. When it's on it helps even more but I can't stand the fan grinding noise it's making. I ordered a Havit 4-fan that will come on Sunday.. Hoping that one is just quieter for cheaper and send this back for a refund on Monday.

Anyways, I just put the bottom cover back on so i'll do your test.. The 6820HK does 3.2ghz across 4 cores under load stock.

 

My score perfectly aligns with Notebookcheck's findings... The AW15 really throttles back it seems with that score.

Results are in (with my undervolt) 3.2ghz across 4 cores (6820HK):

Auto fans:


Max fans:

 

By bottom lid, you mean the actual plastic cover of the entire laptop correct?

I think this is not terribly surprising considering the position of the fans and the vents... Our fans are at the corners of the notebook, yet the vents at located at the center of the chassis:



I used to see a similar effect with my old desktop case:



I would get ~3-5 C lower temps when the front of the case was open (it had a hinge) simply due to the fact that the fans would have better access to air. Even with the the best desktop cases, you'll see an improvement in temps if you change to an open-air bench. Is our dust filter removable? That might help airflow a tiny bit. Of course more dust will go in...

 

Exactly.. I'm planning on taking a hole cutter to my bottom lid soon. Hopefully just the holes cut above the fans net 90+ of the same effect of having the entire bottom removed. I need to source some black grating to cover the exposed holes to make it look OEM lol.

Edit: No it's not removable.. You'd have to just blow the bottom cover out with air to clean it.. Not really too bad to remove the 6 screws and pop it off.. Done it a hundred times already by now it feels like.

 

Very good. +rep. You can clearly see how crippled the benchmark results are from the new AWBOOK's. AW's 632 vs. your better 710 cb in Cinebench R15 is dramatic much lower than from your 15" laptop. And same size as AW 15R3 as well
Here's another crippled Cinebench R15 result from new AWbook. Can you test one more time, but with same OC level as AW?
This time managed a OC'd Alienware a score of 763 cb in Cinebench R15, but with *nice* 95C degrees on processor
Test conducted with Dellienware's Oc level 2
1 core 40
2 core 39
3 core 39
4 core 38

 

I can beat that Alienware score too 632 isn't very high. Of course, I am slightly overclocked... but then again, I'm using an i5, so I don't even have hyperthreading.

 

Locked my cores to 3.8ghz per your request.. And the 16L13 has a smaller footprint than the AW15.. and weighs over 1 lb less. lol.

Results are in:

Auto fans:


Max fans:

 

Must be that thermal paste

 

Speaking of which.. I haven't seen many notebooks with 6700hq doing as well as the GT62VR in a 15" frame.. I can't think of any actually. And the AW15 may get good gpu temps but that seems because the gpu fan goes to 100% under any type of GPU load.. If we go max fans with our 1070s.. We get lower temps than they do as well.

 

Well I have put a lot of work into my paste + de-lid.. So yeah.. I mean.. 3.8ghz barely warming up over here in a notebook is pretty nice.. When you think about the 16L13 holistically, it can be turned into a crazy cold running machine. It takes a 17" BGA with an undervolt to perhaps even up the playing field (not counting the other Clevo LGA beasts).

 

Very nice And see what Mr. Azor said in the video http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/new-alienwares-2016.795625/page-150#post-10367670

 

Oh I know.. i've been lurking in the AW forums and seeing the chatter.. Watching the high temps.. Nobody has undervolted the AW15 yet it seems.. Which is crazy.. Why hasn't anybody done a repaste and undervolt and re-assess the machine yet? Wtf.

Mr Azor "you can expect zero throttling" hahahaha.

 

It will come in more and more bench results when more people get what they bought. Just keep an eye on what's coming. I hope someone show Mr. Azor the review of the AW Throttle mess and the *low* hardware temp in bench. I hope he will comment the video review

 

Somebody tried i5-7600k QS in a 16L1 with a GTX1060 with September bios, and it cannot boot.
maybe only official retail kabylake cpu will work?

 

Needs a BIOS update before it will recognize / run a new CPU. Pretty typical requirement for new CPU's.

 

Yeah. The old bios doesn't contain the microcode for Kaby lake. This apply both desktop and laptops

 

How noisy is this laptop when playing in max load for an AAA game? And does the keyboard have a nice feeling when typing? I keep hearing on the clevo 775 and 870 had bad keyboard.

 

To me, it's the quietest laptop I've ever owned. My Eurocom M5 Pro screamed like a banshee, so in comparison, this thing is whisper quiet. However, I don't have the equipment necessary to objectively measure the sound level for you. It might sound quiet for me, but it might be a jet engine for you.

The keyboard is acceptable. I don't really expect much from these membrane-switch keyboards. Typing or gaming, the quality of the keyboard has not detracted from my experience. The backlight is RGB, and you can even assign different colors/effects to different zones of the keyboard. I honestly haven't played much with the backlight color though...I'm a boring guy, so I completely turned all of that off.

There is a specific area on the button right corner of the space bar that does not register well. Luckily, since I always use my left hand to hit the space bar, I have yet to encounter this issue even once.

 

A phone app that measures by decibels is good enough. Was worried about the 775 noise being a hair dryer. Right now I have a cooler and my old laptop was showing around 40-50 decibels when on max load. I am hoping it is somewhere around there or even lesser.

I am also a boring guy so not much keyboard lighting for me haha

 

yeah!!! hehe

 

Where can you get one?

 

Won't work for us anyways.. Only works with water setups on desktops.

 

Eurocom is working on the BIOS for Kaby, that we know has been confirmed.

 

Sounds like my previous Asus G750 and G751 if that means anything to you.. Overall very quiet.. Wooshing fan sound, nothing high pitched. Notebookcheck rated this at an average of I believe 43-45db under load. Which is really low compared to a lot of other machines.

 

Just opened my laptop today - yup my CPU and GPU heatsink screws are definitely stripped

I took some measurements of one of the screws that I could remove using a digital caliper. I have no clue what the thread is though ( possibly M1.4?). I think the small screws on the GPU/CPU are the same:



Anyone have any tips on removing totally stripped screws?

 

So I'm probably going to be buying one of these from cyber power systems. Is there likely to be anything different from the eurocom version you guys all have or should they be identical?

I'm really hoping it has the same larger heatsink..