*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

You will want to find common JEDEC for them, so 2400Mhz would be where to start.

 

Well the people working on the White listing in the bios would have it first, and resellers would naturally have it next, once it is given to us. We've all been told 2 weeks before....about 2 months ago, by different parties. I personally never gave a date, but just said "Eventually" because that's the only truth to it that I know, and I'm in contact with the source of where it's being done. Though I do suppose there could be multiple sources, but I doubt it. I assume Prema could do it if he started work on these new bioses (as they are not so simple like Clevo's are)

 

Come on @Mr. Fox you know most of us in this thread love those benchmark numbers

Mine had minimal to no adhesive and yup super simple but the panel is fairly washed out. I wish I had a calibrator.. :. All of the profiles I have tried give a fairly strong yellow hue to the screen.

 

Yea I'm super excited to get it! As soon as all the funds come together!!!

 

Nice. Hopefully that means they will start shipping out soon. Mine has been sitting in pre-production for over a week now, so it's possible they were waiting for the BIOS to get finished before production, which would make sense since then they wouldn't have to worry about pushing BIOS updates after the fact. Personally I don't really care too much G-Sync on this panel, but more options for everyone is never a bad thing.

 

Thats awesome, yeah theres not much need for the extra adhesive, but you can find some if needed as replacement, but shouldn't need it if this is a single panel upgrade and then you never touch it again.

 

Of course. There has to be at least one legitimate reason to like NVMe or it would not exist. I can't identify another one. Unless being able to fry an egg on it or use it to thaw out frozen pipes counts.

 

Maybe a good choice for people who have Turdbooks with soldered i7 and want to see nice benchmarks? Benching is still popular And a mod U3 as I have will certainly help to cool down the burning hot NVMe ssd's if they sit in a Apple thin laptop chassis. I know this will work

 

I have a few 1TB SM961's in my tower, and they stay cool. Never any issues. They're insanely fast.

 

As you can see. M.2 ssd's can be hot and Throttle in laptops http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-128#post-10405599

And creativity can help http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-143#post-10408671

 

Still Impossible to edit posts. Imagine M.2 NVMe ssd's in thinner laptops
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-128#post-10405445

 

your getting that error too ? It just gives you a link to the page after submitting, right ?

 

Read http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/slow-site-performance.792212/page-19#post-10457273
Yeah, a lot of problems.

 

Has been happening to me for days now.

 

I do a lot of work with large SQL databases, and I'm hoping the NVMe performance will help that. Also, if you're loading or snapshotting virtual machines, you're pushing a lot of bytes around. For games, other than load screens you're probably right that it doesn't matter much.

 

Do the resellers typically put thermal pads on the NVMe M.2 SSDs in this machine? I saw the comments about it making the bottom of the machine warm (for some hardware, not necessarily this one). Don't care if the case is warm if it keeps the SSD cooler. Hopefully the 16L13 chassis cools a little better than the thin chassis.

 

HIDevolution does

 

yeah same. Thought it was just me and people screwing with my account more.. haha

 

And so do we, always.

 

Question... I'm looking to get some quality replacement thermal pads. What thickness thermal pad should I be getting? 1.0 mm? Also, what would you consider a good "W/mK" rating? Thanks! @woodzstack @Mr. Fox

 

Thanks to @Phoenix and @woodzstack for the thermal pad replies.

 

Has anyone here swapped a 4k IGZO panel on this yet?

 

Want your M.2 ssd's cooler? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-143#post-10408671

Info for yooo http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...e-recommendations-update-thermal-pads.796820/

 

Are you saying you have the 4k panel now?
If so it's the same as swapping the 1080p panel with one difference. You have a 40 pin eDP connector, so you can only use a 40 pin panel.
If you have a 1080P panel you can only use a 30 pin eDP panel.
Below is the connector in the laptop. It is a 40 pin to 30 pin eDP cable. I am going to try an get a standard 40 pin eDP and then possibly make a 40 pin to 30 pin adapter so I can swap any panel with only popping the bezel...

 

isn't that standard always ??

 

Thanks for the info! I guess I just have to measure the thickness of the thermal pads. Have to find myself some calipers...

 

Very interesting. I'll consider something like that if I'm not happy with the temps on my SSD under my own real-world database loads. Fortunately, though I stress the SSD hard, my load is very bursty and typical queries are 5 minutes or less on my old machine, hopefully more like 1 to 2 minutes on my new one when I get it.

 

Sorry for the crappy photo quality, but I don't think anything is lost and the point is still clear. Seems to have lowered temps around 5°C. Honestly, I am amazed the machine could not severely overheat. After cutting the holes for ventilation, it looks like the bottom cover just about seals off 90% of the air intake capacity of both fans.

I destroyed a Notepal X3 to get the grille material. (No biggie since the Notepal X3 is a piece of trash that provides zero cooling benefit... huge waste of money... worthless product, LOL).

 

2 inch hole saw ?

 

Yup. I measured the distance to the center of the fan from the back edge and the side edge where the cover meets the chassis frame, marked it with X on the inside of the bottom cover and buzzed a hole in it.

The fans are not mounted symmetrically inside of the chassis, so one fan is off center a little bit. I figured for aesthetic reasons it would be better to have the holes symmetrically placed rather than staggered. I put a bead of silicon around the edge of the mesh on the inside of the cover, squished it into place and clamped it down to dry. I think it came out pretty nice looking.

It would be ideal to have grilles that match the center opening over each fan, but I don't have the kind of tools or patience it would take to sit and fiddle with that kind of tedious operation. It might not look good if I tried to carve the grille slots with a Dremel tool.

 

Do you happen to know anyone who has a CNC vertical mill, or even better, a CNC water knife table?

 

It's odd that they didn't put vent openings where the fans are in the first place. The Razer Blade has it's bottom intake vent holes where the fans are. This is a good mod, it's a shame you had to do it yourself. What are they thinking?

Do you notice any fan noise difference? I would imagine not, but it's possible.

 

Depends on what kind of fans they are....SP or AF fans....

 

I have a decent dremel setup, I wonder if anyone wants me to attempt this for them.

 

No. I wish I did.

The fans do not seem louder to me. They are so quiet even maxed out that it is really strange. And they max out at just over 4,000 RPM. I was kind or expecting more audible noise, so I was surprised I did not. I can definitely feel more hot air coming out of the exhaust than before, so that is good.

 

There are many reasons everyone should always set it to maximum performance. The biggest reason is the other options always cause performance to suck. Has been that way as long as I can remember. I do not understand why the other two options even exist. They serve no purpose that I can identify, unless a person enjoys a lower framerate and lousy performance.

 

Man! I wish someone suggest this 2 weeks ago!

 

Those holes drilled right under the fan intake short-circuited the cool air path being used to draw cool air over the motherboard components not being cooled by the heatplates.

The design is to pull the air through the vents, drawing in cool air to pass over the components on the way to the heat exchangers.

The direct air path through the newly cut holes will provide cooler air directly to the heat exchangers allowing a drop in temps on the CPU / GPU at the cost of allowing all the other components in the vent air path to get hotter.

I've seen this done on a number of notebooks over the years, and most of the time it's ok as the vents still draw in enough air to pass over the components to cool them, but other times it's caused flaky behavior due to allowing those components to not get adequate cooling.

If you have a FLIR, you could observe the before after from blocking those new holes to see what their effect is on the non-heatplate components temperature.

 

When more air is drawn from the bottom (like your mod). What about the temperature on NVMe SSD's (if you use these M.2 sticks)? From previous tests in the thread, will these NVMe M.2 SSD's heat up and will throttling. See link
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-128#post-10405445


Of course you can make a mod like the (pict) + buy proper M.2 heatsink for heat distribution, but in a smaller chassis like 15 inches can a fan air mod make the NVMe ssd's to be hotter and throttle. At least with heavy use of SSD's.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-143#post-10408671

 

Edit from my earlier post:
SP=Static Pressure
AF=Air Flow

SP does not need an opening under it while AF does. And I think those are SP fans by how close the blades are.... So they can force more air at a lower RPM in a closed situation.

 

Not only a terrible heat problems due the new amazing Cpu Tripod heatsink in the new AW "ECHO". 83C degrees on NVMe drive in light workload is another nail in the coffin. Yeah, Thin Apple chassis design is nice @hmscott @Phoenix @Mr. Fox

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...4-owners-lounge.797457/page-365#post-10459984

 

@Papusan fan ventilation mod should make no difference on the M.2 drives. They are in a corner with no ventilation and already get way too hot. There is no air circulation in that spot before or after the mod. I think the "cooler" I put on the 960 Pro stores heat more than it eliminates. Will test it both ways as time permits, but it is not high on my list of priorities right now. I am still not a huge fan of NVMe SSD and this is my third one. I think the technology is over-hyped, and definitely overpriced. Amazing benchmark scores, and... and... and... reduced functionality, more heat, more money.

@hmscott I think people tend to give way too much credit to OEMs actually burning calories and money on R&D. We see far too many examples from every OEM that shows us they do not. We are the crash test dummies and the OEMs are just plain old fashioned dumb in some cases. Every sub-forum overflows with examples of engineering flaws and poor execution from every brand, and some of the worst examples from the most expensive products, (looks at Razer and MSI and Alienware,) so I have to cry foul on the theory my mod hurts anything or messes up their "thoughtful" chassis design. The concept was less than thoughtful from everything I can see related to cooling, but I am not complaining because that is status quo. I took care of their mistake.

The stuff that actually needs cooling clearly was not getting any. CPU and GPU are job #1. PCH is on top with no cooling whatsoever, bare chip, and no air circulation, cramped space, etc.

Looking at the chassis design in terms of cooling, it is clear to me that MSI does not deserve credit for that. It looks pretty, but that is as far as the purpose of the design goes. Nothing in the path of the theoretical cooling channel could have benefitted from the original design or been harmed by the mod.

I have been overclocking the snot out of the system and nothing even warms up to touch other than CPU, GPU, M.2 and SATA HDD. PCH definitely does based on sensor data, but I can't touch it where they put it.

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER I will see if I can finds specs on the fan part numbers or post the part numbers in case someone else wants to look for them. They run just over 4000 RPM at max speed and do not make much noise at any speed.

 

I know All depends what yooo prefer. Raw processing powa
But If you later want try a mod for lower ssd temp. See pict. Make sure there will be a connection between the ssd's cooling and the bottom lid mod

 

Even better, we could glue large 1.0mm thick copper shims to the cover with thermal epoxy instead of tape and use a spongy thermal pad like what Eurocom places between the NVMe SSD and the motherboard.

 

Dang it... Xenforo sucks... real bad.

What I was going to add using the edit button... Maybe that will help direct heat away from the palm rest instead of toward it.

 

Just a few highlights...

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/17939499

These temps are without AC assisted cooling. It's morning. Window in my office is open. Running max fans and the ambient temperature around 69-70°F.

 

And, since I cannot fix the image links in the post above to allow full-sized legible viewing... here are the links that I can't update because the forum software is broken. Sorry for the double-post. They really should fix this mess or go back to vBulletin. Xenforo is utter garbage.

https://s26.postimg.org/ww9nmzhrb/19707.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/4xfhw4g4n/19707_temps.jpg

 

This! This is what I've been telling people in this thread about you destroying us. When I am able to edit the MSI Overclocker's Lounge leaderboard, that score is going up!

 

I can't get my score any higher.. My gpu has great thermals but needs more voltage to go over 235Mhz OC :'(... I hate the new lock down Micro...I mean Nvidia did to their chips...

 

I honestly think I may remove my NVME drive and just go to SATA.. Literally the only part of my laptop that is hot to the touch when gaming is where the NVME drive touches the palmrest...