*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I think I'd stick with the 8 thread capable 6700, the hyper threading not only comes in useful for Windows applications it will also help gaming when more than 4 cores can be used by the game - this is to become increasingly common in future games. For the 6600K to stand on par with the 6700 you'll need to overclock it handsomely, and even then it can't really stand together as it is only 4 thread capable. What's the maximum turbo you can get on your 6700 when all cores are loaded? As a ball park 'off the top of my head' idea I'd imagine you want a 30% higher (or more) all cores used clock on the 6600K vs the 6700 to even consider it.

EDIT: info I've found suggests max 4 core turbo of 3.7Ghz on the 6700. So, if you multiply 3.7Ghz by the 30% I talked about before you'd want to get your 6600K to 4.8Ghz to make up for the lack of threads. This won't be the case in games that don't use more than 4 cores though, but in those that do use more cores then you'll want a significantly higher clock on the 6600K to make up the difference. Games that use no more than 4 cores would perform better on the 6600K though (if you overclock it).

 

The new 7640k will most likely also get hyper-threading, and that is a huge step forward for the i5 range as Guru3D said. I would not selected an Intel without HT http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/in...ke-core-i5-7640k-and-i7-7740k-processors.html

 

Yeah, I was just thinking about that right now while I was brushing my teeth! He won't be able to sell his 6700 for a decent price at that point though, and the Tornado would have to be compatible with that new CPU (I guess they'll issue a BIOS that will be compatible at some point?). I agree with the hyper threading point, and it's great news that Intel have now offered HT to the i5 line - stimulated by AMD's upcoming competition from their soon to be released Ryzen CPUs!

 

Unfortunately (i hope i am a bad prophet) ... the highest we can and will be able to go with the Tornado and LGA1151 is 7700K
The new processors are going to be on a new socket LGA 2066 (*SWEAR WORD* *SWEAR WORD* *SWEAR WORD* Intel)
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7740k-core-i5-7640k-amd-ryzen/

Hope AMD bully them bad this time once again after so many years... (The Dark Side feels strong). Ultimately competition is very positive for us customers. E.g. The differences between 2700k and 7700k are there but are minimal (we are talking less than 2x difference and these are 5 generations)

 

I'm waiting for Ryzen to be released (see how prices fall), then upgrading to Kaby Lake myself.

 

Has anyone found the trackpad to be kind of unresponsive? Im comparing this to my old macbook which trackpad was awesome, this one not so much. Just wondering if this is normal or not.

 

The new socket was kind of expected as they are going to a smaller form (10nm most likely) After that the tic-toc sequence will be fully killed and they will from there improve the gfx, pipelining, adders, subtracters etc. So the next gen will most likely be the same socket for 3-5 years.
I still remember my VHDL class, when they talked about making faster adders and all. I use to think there was only one way to add 2 numbers... man was I wrong... lol

 

New sockets are driven by architecture changes, not die shrinks. This being KBL-X instead of KBL makes sense because if it was just a 100MHz upclock on standard Skylake that would be a joke of a refresh.

 

Precisely said!
I am just a bit annoyed as this is still Kaby Lake not next generation (new gen -> new socket, but as you said this is driven by architecture changes).
Will be interesting to see what hidden performance they will unleash. I doubt it is only the TDP increase and the 100MHz base upclock as it makes no sense. Wait and see...

 

This might be useful to some. Thanks to Brother @Talon for his tips. I acknowledged them in the video as well.

 

Yes you are correct, I misspoke. That's what happens when you try to rush comments in-between meetings

 

Ha, I love rumors and speculation. I seriously doubt Intel is going to cannibalize their Z270 mainstream platform in the same year to squeeze out AMD and essentially merge their two platforms into one HEDT socket. Of course, it would make perfect sense for Intel to do so but we're talking about Intel here (I love you Intel, please don't take away my stuff).

LGA 2066 will remain the "high end" and Intel will push for a "300" series for the "mainstream".

 

Another great video, will definitely help someone out with changing their display on their own.

Side note the tool I used was the thin black tool. As soon as I saw you pick that green window scraper up I was literally screaming at my monitor. Lol.

 

Apple has the best trackpads in the business. The next best is Razer. Everything else is pretty much ... average..

 

Anyone know what the " HIDevolution Approved M.2 PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe SSD" brand is on the EVOC? I suppose since they don't say it just depends on what they get/what's cheapest.

 

Probably not worse than those shipped with Dellienware. Where they are High priced and below average speed http://www.notebookcheck.com/Test-Alienware-15-R3-Laptop.194724.0.html

 

I have tornado f5 with i7 7700k and gtx1080.

I have flashed to SVET bios , and i want push my ram ( 3000mhz and 2800mhz ) , to 2800mhz
What can i do from BIOS ?
Thanks !!

 

speaking of the F5 and the videocard...

the heatsink for the videocard mostly is grainy and flawed, but if you lap it with a polishing kit from a dremel :

 

another MYSTERY solved : "Why WiFi does not work"

 

Was this right from Eurocom?

And in reply to the video heatsink. Mine isn't too flawed and the temps actually stay down very well. But the CPU heatsink is a little "higher" than it should be on one side(uneven core temps) so I need to reopen and add some more paste something I don't really like doing. If I open I usually fully repaste but this paste is too new haha.

 

urrrm, dont worry....the link is on the 1st page.

so post deleted.

 

Hey guys should I buy the 120hz panel from eurocom or the guy on eBay? Also do you have a link for that tape you used in the video @Mr. Fox


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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004WIQW3U/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

He has links in the video description if viewed through YouTube.

 

Purchased mine from Ebay and screen is perfect. I installed mine in under 10 minutes and did not need to use any tape and have no backlight bleed.
Very easy install, for great benefits..

Now i want to get a hold of a 40 pin cable to try some 4k screens

 

I so regret buying my Tornado F5 1 months ago now.
I messaged Eurocom for the 120HZ screen upgrade and they are charging 500$ CAD for the screen.

**** my life.

 

I have received SanDisk X400 and Kingston M.2 SSDs as their approved products. I was a fan of X400 before (had purchased four 512GB X400 M.2 for previous machines) and was happy about that. The Kingston M.2 is OK, but I was not familiar with their SSDs before. I was apprehensive at first, but performance is about the same as X400. I have no regrets from either one.

 

That seems excessive. Does that include the labor and shipping costs for sending it in to be swapped? Do you get back your current screen or do they credit you something for it?

Will that screen get G-sync certification? Will @Eurocom Support help make it work when it does?

 

@woodzstack You have removed the cable for video

This is way to excessive. You can get it for ~ 150 cad off ebay(us seller) plus 30 or so cad to ship and you get to keep your old screen. It is too simple to not do it yourself. Or if you have to you can contact @woodzstack as he is also located in Canada, but I am unsure if you two are close in proximity or not.

 

Do you worry, with a Dremel, about microscopic metal particulate drifting onto the PCB nearby and causing either a leak or a short? (Honest question, no intent of implied criticism.)

 

If you do it away from the mobo as you grind and then clean it well with rubbing alcohol and then swabs afterward there should be no worries.
When I did this to my alienware I shielded the rest of the heatsink with towels as I ground down the part I needed to.

 

That's for just the screen.

If I send it their way I have to pay shipping + labor.

 

I am not allowed to comment like that.
This laptop was a victim of the classic sort of "internet does not work" ticket you see in a helpdesk queue...

the WiFi card was taped to the chassis, and from the color of the tape, must have been there for years or something, lol

 

I placed a bag over the entire laptop and taped it shut only exposing what was needed, when I use dremel on a laptop, but otherwise when using polishing tools with the dremel there is no debris, and I do it at another desk anyways.

But I do this cause I'm paranoid of exactly what you just said..

 

thats funny, we know each other, or have met at the least. He knows where I am.

 

Can any help me to push my ram at 2800mhz ? I have 2 modules of 16GB , one of 2800mhz and other 3000mhz.

I dont understand at all XTU

Thanks

http://imgur.com/a/hHgQc

 

What is your RAM? Speed/Timings?

You basically go to the overclocking menu -> memory
It will show you the default (system selected speed and timings) and custom (you can change your settings)

Below the above info change the "default" to "custom"
There you can select 100/133 Mhz
Multiplier *
Timings CL, RCD, ....
Voltage

Once you activate the custom profile it will show you the current default settings already entered and it is a good start and easy to go from there.
E.g. Mine was 133*8multi = 1064mhz x2 ~= 2133 Mhz
I changed the multi to 9 (2400Mhz) and was able to reduce the first two timings (CL, RCD) from 15 to 13.
Svet suggested to try with 100Mhz and 13multi for 2666Mhz but it never worked. There is an Synchro/Async option there and by enabling Async i got 133x9multi = 2533 MHz but was not stable.
Check few pages back i have posted comparison

In your case i suppose the settings will be 133x11 for 2800 and 133x12 for 3000Mhz.
My advice is change one thing at a time e.g. the multi from 11 to 12 ... restart, test, then try to reduce the first two timings
After restart it takes about a minute to check the new settings (black screen, don't be scared)... then you get the logo and continue to OS.
If you push it too far after the minute of checks it will restart automatically with the default settings.

 

The X400 is a SATA interface. They state they are NVMe. I'll ask them see what they say.

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

That is kind of what I figured, It's a definitely better after customizing the synaptics, but still not on par with Apple, which I guess is expected. Just wanted to make sure this was normal.

 

They use the same M.2 socket, so what you get will depend on whether you decide to purchase SATA or NVMe. I only purchased SATA because I'm not convinced NVMe is all that as of yet and lI ean more in the direction to spend less for more storage. I do like the 960 Pro in the Tornado F5 though. I haven't had as much drama (actually none so far) with the 960 Pro. I may even buy one for my P870DM3. The first generation Samsung SM-series NVMe drives gave me nothing but grief.

I don't like any touchpads. Using a mouse is so much better. I guess if you find yourself in a spot where using one is unavoidable, having one that is really nice can be a plus. I haven't noticed anything abnormal or troublesome with the Tornado F5 touchpad. I definitely love that it has discrete left and right buttons. The click-pads with no buttons are totally miserable to use... I hate those with a passion, personally.

 

I actually ordered a 960 Evo for my soon-to-be EVOC but decided to return it instead because for the same price I can get 2 SATA drives that are the same size, effectively doubling my space for performance differences I will probably not notice. My MBP15 has an NVME drive that benchmarks well, but I'm not really sure I notice it outside of moving stuff around compared to my other SATA drives. I do see a difference when I use Final Cut, but that's like it. I think the 500GB 960 Evo is very well priced compared to other models on the market, though, and if I wanted to get one that would be it. The Pro is faster and has a better warranty, but unless you really want the 5 year warranty the Evo is a much better deal.

 

Yeah, agree with you, and like I have said many times in multiple places... I'm really not sold on NVMe being something that is too special. It has functional limitations (I prefer MBR and Legacy BIOS over GPT and UEFI) and is severely overpriced. The only thing good about NVMe, for the most part, is benchmark numbers that look impressive compare to SATA SSD. The cost per gig for NVMe is a horrible value. You pay a whole lot more for almost nothing of practical value in return for it. The only reason I might buy one for the P870DM3 is I like benchmark scores. Apart from that, I would view it as a waste of money.

 

Thanks!

 

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A soap-free rinse cycle on low drying heat in the dishwasher will take care of removing all of the left-behind metal shavings and conductive particles. Or, you can hose it off in the back yard and let it dry in the sun.

(Disclaimer: just kidding of course... NOBODY should do ever these things)

 

Well I have some time to swap my panels after shoveling my driveway/front walkway of 14+ inches of snow. I'm going to try without the doublesided tape and if I don't like the result, I'll buy a roll.

 

That WAS the easiest panel swap I've ever done (I've done many). It literally took two minutes to complete. Nice panel but the colors are washed out and yes it is brighter than an xeon flashlight at this point. I did use the program that was suggested by Talon but now I have to hunt for a screen calibration profile.

EDIT: Unlike Mr. Fox's Tornado, my panel didn't appear to have a lot of adhesive. Perhaps my panel was changed when they were putting it together, I don't know.

 

Hey everyone! I just wanted to post something I found out today that was interesting.
I am getting my first gaming laptop and have spent several weeks researching them constantly and I found myself compromising to get what I wanted. The closest I found to what I wanted was from HIDevolution and while I was on their site I found the EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6". I have long thought if I could just get a 15" that had a GTX 1080, 120hz G-Sync display and thunderbolt 3 supported that would be ultimate. This model filled all but one gap, the 120hz AND G-Sync... Until today!!!

I was chatting with them today and was just inquiring about different things and they had seen that I asked about if the 120hz screen was G-Sync and informed me that it was just a week or two out from being available! He told me to check back Wednesday and he might have more info then so I will update if I hear anything.

But I just wanted to post that for anyone looking to pull the trigger on this and say just wait a little bit longer! We are almost there!!

Sorry if this was already a know factor or for those of you that want this. Don't mean to rub it in but just had to share for the people looking to buy one.

 

Welcome to NBR!

Some of us have upgraded to the 120hz panel and we are aware that Eurocom is working on getting the 120hz panel whitelisted to work with G-Sync and more importantly, allow us to change the brightness. As I've written many many posts ago in this thread, the Tornado F5 with a 7700K and 1080 is the best 15 inch laptop in the market. I highly recommend HIDevolution too. I wouldn't hesitate getting this machine right now.

 

How is your panel? Did you purchase from eBay?

 

Yes, I purchased it (if my memory serves me correct) from the eBay listing you posted. It's a great panel but I need a new calibration profile, the colors need some help.

 

I have a few you can try. I think it makes the colors look far better and less washed. It also lowers the brightness slightly, but some think it makes yellow. IMO it does look less white, but I like it far better.