*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I am still having some of the same issues. I am ready to sell this POS laptop to anyone and buy another. Eurocome is the most horrible company to deal with. A POS laptop from a PIECE OF **** COMPANY called EUROCOM!!

 

Do you have BF4 installed by chance? Are you getting DX errors? What are your errors if not.

 

what I noticed lately, after a format and installing Steam and all my games, if I run Doom, I just get a black screen......

to fix this. I then install Origin PC and all the games I have within that like FIFA 17, Battlefield 1, NFS.........and those games reinstall DirectX......after that, Doom launches just fine, same thing with Ryse Son Of Rome, it wouldn't run properly until I installed all those DirectX Libraries

 

Which issues ? Would you like me to test specifically for this, before shipping etc...

Lately I think the NVidia drivers are **** for some of the hotter games out there. I've had many examples of people coming to me with a few specific issues as if thier card was not working properly, but it was varied cards, but always DX12 cards Maxwel/Pascal... not all were even my cards, but just clients anyways, a set of like 10 or so games all have very similar crashes, but all with recent drivers and not before.
The difficult part is knowing if it's single issue or multiple issues that give a cocktail of symptoms. So I go through the works trying to figure that out each time. Usually there are small tricks here and there, but nothing to conclusively battle what was causing the issues. We get states of drivers like this every year or so, where for 1-2 months or more sometimes, NVidia drivers are just horrible. We had this last year, we had this the year before, and even the year before that.
Then when there are magical perfectly working drivers people rejoice and threads go up praising the driver for months...

okay sorry for the tangent.

I test the systems I send out, if I can't test them someone else does for me, but a thorough job is done no matter what, and anyone dealing with me can probably testify to that.

 

I receive the best temps out of any non conductive paste with Kryonaut.

I did have to slightly even out my IHS with a high RPM polish tool. Before that I had very uneven core temps. So possibly your IHS is uneven?

Yeah I guess I am lucky with it, I have run it in my Tornado now but have used it for a while now in my 980M/6820HK laptop and it never even got close to being hot.

I'm glad I could add my testimony

Same for me.

Yeah I had uneven core temps until I polished my IHS.

 

I have had clients with similar mysterious crashing, testing the individual parts of hardware one by one in the same situations was the only way to yield better results... for one guy, it seemed when we replaced the harddrive the issues became much less frequent or went away when i was testing.
In that case I had to replace the motherboard too, the videocard the person had, was not causing it, because three other videocards used would get the same issue. We would have this CTD with this cheap drive instantly, almost all the time, on queue , and once we removed it - things played out long enough that was sure the issue was gone.

BUT - around the same time people starting having these issues, people been contacting me with 970M and 980M's and 1060's having the same issue in different systems. Almost identical results and symptoms, Origin, BF1 or BF4 etc... sometimes some other titles on steam but those two for sure almost always.


***edit: forgot to mention, the cheap harddrive was not ours, but the clients - but I still helped him. I want to get to the bottom of these issues as much as anyone,else**



So the question stands , do you have issues in other games ?

 

I see people are still having problems with their 1070 apparently. That is disheartening I would have bought this laptop long ago if many 1070's were not crap cards. I bet keftih and yotano21 cards use the micron chips? I might not buy one after all this is too risky with Eurocom having somewhat bad rep.
And the Evoc is expensive...

 

https://www.battery-adapter.com/product_info.php/products_id/3235/vGT72
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/OEM-MSI-GT72...233714?hash=item282ab58fb2:g:zUEAAOSwLnBX9peZ

Secondary part number E33-0800523-MC2

It is the same fan in the GT72, looking for specs of the fan now.

 

Had the exact same issues with Samsung NAND on the chips on different cards. This is not a Micron NAND issue AFAIK

 

Well, me and you never had business before, maybe I can be of assistance and of an alternative.

 

Was talking about keftih's post:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-359#post-10460699

 

Oh the voltage drop he is referring to under load. We used to just call it vdroop. The more load your under the much more voltage is needed, even if your comparing to what is stable when not in full load.
I think instability comes from when the drop from load at same frequency vs no load at frequency occurs. Would love to know if a voltage boost in the vbios would change this.

 

No I dont play Bf4, I am getting some random crashed with BF1, Fallout 4. The crashes were worse with win 10, I am on win 8.1 now.

I am done, I put this POS laptop on craigslist. I am not dealing with Eurocom missed calls. I am not going to email them when they take days to reply or not a all.

I'll look around for another laptop this week, something with a 7820hk. I dont see whats the hype with a socketed processor anyways.

 

This is one of the best laptops I've ever owned. The stability, the screen, the keyboard, perfect package that simply works out of the box: MSI GT73VR 7RF Titan Pro-425 Review By Phoenix

@TomJGX will tell you better about Eurocom's customer service

 

The 3 SSDs I have in my laptop are all new, 1tb mx300 m.2, 2tb mx300 ssd and 500gb Samsung 850m.2. I can check the 2tb SSD in another laptop but both M.2's I cant check. My other laptops dont have a m.2 connection only msata.

 

My brother wants it... so put an offer here first

 

I'll sell it on Craigslist 1st, I can get a higher price on there. Selling on here will be the last chance.

 

Make sure you tell them it's broken.

 

sorry me no speaky english

 

That's alright...They have a google translator app that will translate " You are selling a POS to an unsuspecting customer."

 

Remember extended warranty. Not fun if or when the soldered hardware blows up into flames. Not a easy fix, like put in a used i7 or graphics

 

Honestly I'll possible just build a desktop instead then get a road 14 inch laptop with a 1050ti.

 

this is what cpuz reads after a crash.

The game crashes and somehow recovered. 90% of the time it doesnt recover.
@keftih

ignore the 3 layers of pictures, that part didnt happen, that problem i think it was with MS paint, that didnt show on the screen, was only 1 screen.

The gpuz core and memory read out doesnt show, nothing shows up.

 

After i restart gpuz, core and memory speed shows 0

 

Can you try and reinstall your DX library?

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=35

Want to try an undervolt on the GPU?

 

The DX install said I already have up to date files, no need to install.

And how do I undervolt the gpu.

 

Download MSI Afterburner (sure you have it).

Once open Hit CTRL + F to bring up the overclock curve.

Now look at the far right highest clock, should be 1911Mhz.

Simply go to the left of the curve to a lower voltage like .950v or .925v and drag that clock tick up to at least 1911Mhz or slightly above it a few mhz. Now close out of the curve and hit apply on the main afterburner menu. This will now limit the GPU to a max voltage that you set.

If you go back into the curve you will see it has now adjusted the curve accordingly. If you load a game you will see it won't go above that voltage, should run cooler and most likely will maintain the same GPU clocks, possibly higher as you can stay under the max power limit imposed by the vBIOS.

 

wow never seem this card run at the full speed. Usually if I run the gpuz render test the core speed drops over time and heat build up. With the undervolt the speed is constant at 1911mhz.
Before and after the undervolt

 

I will play some more games later on with the new undervolt.

And I forgot to add that I have never seem this 1070 gpu go over 1900mhz, usually I see around 1820-1830mhz.

I will play the game that really makes this gpu crash.

 

I run 1847mhz on just .850v right now in BF1. Its holding stable with zero clock fluctuations. I played for half an hour in multiplayer and the clocks didn't dip once. The card stayed under it's power limit so therefore clocks and voltage stayed rock stable. I'd rather miss out on the random "highs" and get rock steady clock speeds and better temps with my current curve. I will keep testing for higher clocks and lower voltage.



My current test curve.

http://imgur.com/a/bMpKG

 

Have you had random crashes like some people are getting.

 

No crashes.

 

Sorry for the stupid question or if that was answered already but If I were to get the eurocom laptop with a i7 6700 non k (65W) 1070 is the 230W AC Adapter absolutely sufficient (laptop stressed to it's theoretic limit) or should I get the 330W AC Adapter to be safe?
Does anyone know if the 330W power brick is (much?) bigger/heavier than the 230W?

 

I mean before this undervoltage

 

No my GPU/System has been stable when at stock and overclocked.

I've crashed it a few times with crazy overclocks but that was on me for going too far.

This undervolt is me testing and tweaking. It has added stability of clocks in games. I am hoping that by stabilizing your clocks it will help prevent crashing. It will be a process of trial and error with clocks and voltages as all cards are different.

 

@1900Mhz with just .850v it crashed in BF1. 1875Mhz was stable for a few minutes before I bumped up to 1900Mhz, but I would hardly call that a real stability test. Oddly enough in games I can get the GPU to maintain the Mhz and 100% load, but Firestrike says nope and the GPU will essentially power back and fluctuate again. Very odd, but maybe my desktop does this as well. As long as it's holding the clocks while gaming I am happy.

I think I will settle somewhere around 1860-1870Mhz as a stable point with .850v which IMO is very impressive and within spitting distance of even the most heavily overclocked desktop 1070's at 2000-2100Mhz. This card does have extra cuda cores so that helps make up for some lack of core speed.

 

Try .875 or .900

 

Yes, unfortunately, even with a hefty undervolt, Firestrike can and will cause power throttling. Some people have unlocked the TDP limit by modifying some resistors, but I'm not going to try that yet on a practically brand-new notebook. I'll check back in a year

 

I'll give that a go here in a bit. The problem is that as you add voltage back into the card you will bump up against the power limit and the clocks will fluctuate. You're far better off using a lower voltage and seeing how far you can get on that while staying under the power limit. I'll try .862v to see if I can get stable clocks.

In a weird way I think the bench isn't accurate for notebook cards that are severely power restricted. If I'm able to maintain the clocks while gaming then there should no reason why the card can't maintain while running FS. It's like artificially drawing far more power than needed for a given clock. If we had the option to say only use a certain power limit I am confident the scores on mobile cards would be higher.

 

i just checked some reviews of the desktop 1070's and most of them top out at around 1850mhz with a overclock boost. I didnt know the laptop version was so high in boost at 1911mhz. Some reviews said you can get at least 2000mhz with a good overclock for the desktop version. I couldnt believe my eyes.

I tried MSI afterburner on a smaller clevo w230ss with the control F and the chart didnt come up. Is the chart only for unlocked computers?

 

This chart is GPU boost 3.0 for Pascal only. It's weird that this overclocking curve is pretty much hidden unless you know to use those keys to show it. EVGA Precision X has it built in via a menu selector for easier access.

 

ok got it, thank you sir

 

Just tried this. No dice, unfortunately. The only solution that seems to work for me is undervolting.

 

You do know when you lock the voltage to a clock you are basically limiting the fps as well right?

 

even if the 1070 is running at 1911mhz or a little lower say 1850mhz

 

Limiting the fps how?

 

It's hard to explain....

Basically it's like a bit of a slowdown. Or like you trying to swim in a strong current. You are swimming the same speed, but yet you seem to be losing ground in the long run.

Computer language....I set the clocks so that they read 2088 Mhz and my highest FPS is 113. When I know if i run it normal. It will be between 118 to 123 FPS.

 

Do you have a video of your card actually holding 2088 under load in a game? I am really curious now. And by setting it normal do you mean setting a normal overclock curve, leaving it stock, or overclocking with the sliders?

Are we talking that Asus 1070 or 1080 laptop?

 

No. No videos at this time.

No curve just set the clocks using sliders and hold the temps below 42C

Asus or P870DM3. they will both do 2.1 ghz

1070N and 1080N

 

With a stock vBIOS you have to keep your Pascal GPU cold or it will start dropping clock speeds between 40-50°C and continue losing clock speeds as temperature increase until it flat-lines at a lower boost level and it won't go any higher no matter what you do. Normal operating temperatures will not allow it to reach and maintain full core clock speed with a stock vBIOS. NVIDIA really screwed the pooch on GPU Boost 3.0... but GPU Boost 1.0 and 2.0 was pretty much crap as well. Business as usual for the Green Goblin.