*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Doesnt really matter for people with 60fps displays.

 

60FPS? People want to run 1000 FPS as if that is going to make the gaming experience better.

 

I have an H55 with Noctua fans just sitting around in a closet, maybe I can figure out of away to pull heat off that heatsink with it for testing this haha.

 

Have to agree with you there, I'm looking to upgrade to a 120hz screen soon


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Why do you say that? Do you mean if they have G-Stink enabled? Because it does matter and you will see a performance hit without FPS-limiting crap like G-Stink interfering.

Funny story... figured this is a perfect time to share it.

G-Stink control is broken on the TF5 with the 120Hz display until it gets fixed. Don't care personally, but here's the deal. 3DMark still detects G-Stink and gives me a warning about lower scores with G-Stink enabled. It appears it is actually still enabled even though it does not show as an option in NVCP. I have to use NVIDIA Inspector to disable G-Stink in the global profile to make that 3DMark warning go away.

 

I get that same warning from time to time as well. And I only have the G-Sync monitor. It was rather annoying to say the least.

The easiest and fastest way is to just go out on your porch, patio, garage or backyard. Grab some warm clothes and then get your bench or gaming on. You will see it pretty quick as to how the temps control your clocks most of the time.

 

You can test it easier that than if you have access to an air conditioning outlet. Either a portable AC unit or in-floor vents. Crank up the AC and set the bottom of the laptop over the AC vent and let cold air blow directly into the chassis and you'll see higher clock speeds without doing anything. Even with the GPU running with stock clocks. And, your benchmark scores will go up.

 

I guess the undervolt didnt not work out, still crashes. I am done, I am going back to the other gaming laptop.

 

Sorry to hear that. Are you getting an error when you crash or simply going back to the desktop? What vBIOS are you using? There are 2 versions floating around, you could try the alternate vBIOS.

 

Here this is what I'm seeing with an undervolt and overclock. You were right if left the clocks/voltage table to the left alone it causes a 1-2 fps difference from a normal overclock slider.

Once I adjusted the values to the left the difference is immediate and noticeable. Higher clocks at a lower voltage. With the normal slider I am sure it will not do this and will simply bump off the power limit causing the clocks to more rapidly fluctuate. The MSI stock vBIOS curve seems efficient for large scale gpu deployments (safe and stable voltages), but if you take the time to tweak your own chip you might be able to get higher clocks at a lower voltage.

http://imgur.com/a/oleMm

 

You should go back to like the 372 drivers and make sure you are not running any type of monitoring software what so ever and see if you can play a normal round of game play.

Oh, I just noticed you had a 1070N and not a 1080N...
But here was a test run a while back....
Core [email protected]/0.975

Core [email protected]/0.975

 

@Mr. Fox You don't like G-Sync ? For the price to performance the visual quality it brings is amazing, on slower panels like IGZO and such it's a must because you get tearing without pretty bad, not just ghosting. On TN panels if for sure gets rid of the tearing and the impact to your score is much less then what AA would do in some comparison.

 

what is the N stand for? I see it in many peoples' sig

 

Notebook I believe - to distinguish the notebook & desktop versions.

 

I thought with the 10X Series, they are all the same now no more M / Mobile version

 

If I remember correctly the box for the notebook series says 1070N just to help distinguish for buyers.

 

GTX 1070N has more cores than the desktop GTX 1070 - also power limitations are often different.

 

hmmm, I thought it was always the other way around......the desktop versions were the more powerful ones...

 

Desktop has higher core clock.

 

I just got my Fangbook 4 from CyberPowerUK and noticed the same kind of low-pitched vibration noise when the fans are running at low speed - especially the right hand side under the numpad (that's the cpu side, right?).

@AngryScott - Did you ever find a fix for this? I tried un- and re-screwing the three fan screws like @Diversion recommended - but I didn't seem to make a difference.

 

I had this issue also, what I did was go into the fan control "Silent option" or whatever it is called and went to advanced and upped the fan a couple percent at low temps. Activated the advance profile. I still don't hear the fans and there is no rattle either.

 

I was thinking to buy one through cyberpoweruk. How was the service ?

 

N=Notebook version of Desktop card
M=Mobile
No moniker= Desktop

It lets the world know they are the same, but also different.

The 1070N is more powerful than the 1070 Desktop. (Not talking about the power limiting factor)

The 1080N has a slightly lower base clock. (Not talking about the power limiting factor)

 

so what about the 1080N vs the desktop?

Also, where did you see the N? I don't remember seeing that model with an N in GPU-Z

 

The service has been pretty much flawless*. I ordered it on February 3rd, was shipped from the UK on Friday (10th) and I got it today (14th) in Denmark. They have an tracking page where you can see the status of your machine (assembly, QA, etc).

EDIT: The whole "selling me a very expensive laptop" has been flawless. But the support service afterwards has been really disappointing. See this post: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...6-owners-lounge.797128/page-410#post-10473895

 

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11399287/fs/11686304

 

I started the N because desktop users would get them mixed up.
And the 1080N is exactly the same as the desktop version, except for the clock speed. (As mentioned up above.)

Edit: As to the Notebook reference at 3dmark. I think that was @Mr. Fox or @Prema 's suggestion

 

60hz works for me and if it can run 60 fps constantly, its good.

This laptop is for light gaming for me. Not that I do heavy game anymore.....

I use Gsync because its convenient.

 

I have learnt over the years that whatever fits into one's budget is generally what is right for that person.....

 

Not sure about your assertion that 1070N is more powerful than desktop 1070, most of the results I've seen including my own vs 1070N favour the desktop version. That's including the 1070N results from this thread (in the Tornado).

 

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/geforce-gtx-1070/

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/laptops/

I think you better take a closer look my friend....

And the power and temps are what slow the cards down in laptops....

 

Well, my friend, I'm well aware of the 1070N having more cores - I'm talking about the results people are getting with their 1070N vs desktop 1070 - most of these seem to favour desktop 1070.

Have a look at these for example:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Laptop.169549.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1070-Desktop.165776.0.html

From above links desktop gets median score of 18077, and laptop gets median of 17067 - that's 6% more performance from the desktop version. (Talking Firestrike Graphics Scores here). Those are created from a number of results, and from the results of 25 different notebooks containing the 1070N. In fact every single one of those 25 1070N results is less than the slowest 1070 desktop result apart from the X5.

 

Hey guys so I just found the 120hz panel for about $20 less on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01N...156HTN05.2&dpPl=1&dpID=31dr0gp-60L&ref=plSrch

Good thing I waited


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Interesting how all the desktop cards are all over clocked versions and have more power. Might be why they show higher scores?
I'll take one max vs max and compare.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11157174/fs/11661315#
The 1070N is of course losing due to the 150Mhz overclock the desktop card is running.
Now in the benching world. That card takes a loss, but in the gaming world. 150Mhz overclock for 3 fps gain is pretty much worthless.
And at the end of the day, The card is still more powerful, but being locked down tends to kill that off.

Edit:
And after going back and looking at the game benchmarks....The N card is winning on a few of them while losing at best at 3 fps.....But hey, like you said...A win is a win so i'll submit to that.

 

It's confirmed the exact panel? I mean Amazon has a great refund policy if they lie and it's not the exact panel. Also returns are simple with them backing you.

 

Yeah, I just didn't like your statement earlier saying that 1070N was more powerful than desktop 1070 - it's just not the case as we've seen & I don't like to see FUD being spread. 1070N is obviously a fantastic card though, stellar performance in a notebook!

 

Is the panel gsync and backlit fixed yet? I'm still holding off.


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I was going to let it slide until you made that bs comment but......nah.
And your Desktop card is no where in the runnings.
http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11694333/fs/11196300/fs/11157174

 

Hoping it is the same and the seller just got a pretty good deal on them. If it isn't I'll just return it. That's why I like Amazon. I'll update you guys once I receive and test it out

Edit: they have a good rep so I don't think they would lie

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I was told by @Donald@HIDevolution that there are 2 versions of chipset for this MSI body, a Z170 version and C236 version; and that the C236 is for quadro/Xeon. So basically if you order from HID (which does not offer quadro/Xeon as far as I know), it will have the Z170 chipset.

I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.

 

Yeah, I don't mind that I don't have the fastest card on the planet. Notebook 1070N is still not more powerful than desktop 1070 in most cases, as we've both seen. I suppose we could compare some kind of LN2 cooled desktop 1070 vs the highest notebook 1070 result you can find, but really those are edge cases that don't support the statement that one is faster than the others - as it's not what people experience on a practical level during gaming. Your statement that notebook 1070N is more powerful than desktop 1070 is still FUD I'm afraid.

 

If a notebook 1070 can do 21k+ over normal air cooling. The desktop cards don't need LN2 to match that.

 

@bloodhawk It's like everything else. People are always trying to compare a locked card against an unlocked card and wonder why one seems better than the other. I don't really get that.

 

Hey thanks for the update. Personally I'm just glad it doesn't have super new stuff that might have driver issues on Linux/FreeBSD. The only other thing I'm wondering is if G-Sync is possible to be disabled via the Prema Mod BIOS, since then I can at least have the option of using the Intel card if I ever need more battery.

 

Pretty much .
What a lot of people are missing is the 150W vs 200W TDP.

 

And the fact that that guy is on water. Altered Vbios.
http://hwbot.org/submission/3435887_olegdjus_3dmark___fire_strike_geforce_gtx_1070_20811_marks
This is one of his better scores

 

doubt if u can ever use a iGPU on this one its disabled on this one. a member here tried this before and the system wont boot. will need a hardware modding if it ever moded to work but i doubt.

 

Well, you cannot put the notebook GPU in a desktop and your cannot put a desktop GPU (form factor) in a notebook. So, while their specs are similar, they are not the same parts. Desktop GPUs are generally made better and cost half as much.

When you have specs that include a desktop CPU and a GPU with no "M" at the end, people invented the idea of adding the "N" as a point of necessity to minimize confusion about what kind of computer is being discussed. We can call them "desktop GPUs" all we want to, but they're not.

 

Hi all,

I am looking to buy a tornado f5 but I have many questions about it before I buy it. I would really appreciate it if someone could answer my questions.

1. Are there any other laptops I can buy with a better processor than the i7 7700k?
2. Should I buy the tornado f5 from Eurocom or HIDevolution?
3. What is the difference between ddr4 64gb ram at 2400 vs 2800 vs 3000 vs 3200? Is there any other better 260 pin RAM than the G-skill 3200 I can configure?
4. What are the best thermal paste, thermal pads and copper shims you can get?
5. Of the GPUs (970m,980m,1060,1070,1080) and Quadro (m1000m, 3000m, 4000m, 5000m), which one will give most battery life (least power) and best temperatures? Will any of them be good enough to watch 4k media on an external monitor?
6. What are the best mods for performance, specifically in the processor and memory system? (I have heard of extra copper cooling heatsinks applied to heatsinks/ heat pipes / and high quality copper tape and copper-foiling the underside of the lid where the m2's are and heatsinks). I do not want to cut 2 holes into the bottom of the system like Mr Fox!
7. How would you overclock the RAM?
8. After de-lidding the processor, applying thermal paste, undervolting and overclocking the CPU, what else should you do to it?
9. What is the best custom BIOS/ vBIOS? Is Prema or Svet better and where can I get it? Also, I heard Eurocom will be releasing their own BIOS but it will surely have limitations.
10. Is the battery swappable? If it is not then why buy 2?
11. Is the performance gain of 2tb Samsung 960 pro over 512gb worth it? I will only need 512GB but the 2TB one will be faster.
12. I also heard that there are problems of using a NVME SSD like the Samsung 960 pro like issues with drivers and throttling. What is the solution for problems with drivers and throttling?
13. Intel wireless AC 6525 vs killer 1535? I heard that there are problems with drivers on the Killer 1535.
14. What is the best external laptop cooler ( either a cooling pad or one in the USB)?
15. Where can I buy a silicon lottery at least a 5.4 GHz i7 7700k?
16. Are there any problems with creating a large RAM drive ( around 25 GB)?
17. How long should the laptop last? And what are safe voltages/ temperatures for the components when overclocking/
18. Are there any issues or important things about the laptop and what is the keyboard like?

Thanks a lot!

 

I know I started putting an N there mid last year, and then there was a medical company that started making maxwell and pascal cards for clients and they added 1-2-3 N's at the end to designate something, and then I started seeing the N's somewhere else. There has been to my knowledge no legitimate reason for it, but I decided to add it whenever I'm speaking about Mobile versions. Not sure if Nvidia put an N there somewhere, but not that I have witnessed.