*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Thanks Donald... it sure has been many months without any progress - what is the issue? Is it the BIOS or is it an actual pin-out issue with the 120hz panel to the motherboard? And I saw you guys are now offering a Prema BIOS? Is it exclusive to just HIDEvo's unit or is there a way for others to get it on the Eurocom variant?

 

It is a BIOS and NVIDIA issue.

As for the Prema BIOS, that question would have to be asked of Eurocom.

 

posting Rocktaze quote from few pages back.

 

@Eurocom Support When can we expect this BIOS update/fix to be released. Considering this should not be an unlocked BIOS there should be no reason this cannot be made available via a download and updated as a standard BIOS update.

 

Surprised no one has tried the panel from the Alienware 15 120hz.. Unless it's the same one already - but that's already G-sync Approved and should work i'd imagine after plugging it in.. Unless there's some kind of white listing that is in the code of the BIOS.. Usually it's just a bit-lock on the motherboard thats indicates to the Nvidia drivers that G-sync is turned on.. Then the next step is the LCD is whitelisted in the actual Nvidia windows drivers.

 

Thanks Donald, was hoping a larger drive would fit for the increased capacity. Looking forward to order, I've been refreshing the order status page about 5x a day.

 

Still waiting for you to reply to my email from Saturday night...can't get started until you do.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12152609

Another clients FS score, thought to share, this is with the new unlocked bios, and settings I thought were safe and not extravagant or ridiculously OC'd and yet it still scores very high. Like Desktop scores high

 

@Donald@HIDevolution, do you have an estimated restock time frame for the 15.6" 1080p 120Hz panel? Are there any other panel options that are not listed for the 16L-G?

 

These kind of questions about a particular order should be handled privately by phone or email.

 

I got this press release earlier today. I am posting it here for anyone still sitting on the fence about buying this 16L13 model from Eurocom or HIDevolution versus some crippled BGA turdbook.
Time to get off the fence. BGA filth must die.

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Eurocom launches unlocked BIOS in 15.6” Tornado F5 high-performance, fully upgradeable laptop with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080, Intel Core i7-7700K, & 64 GB DDR4 memory for overclocking & enhanced control of motherboard firmware

Contact:
Braden Taylor
[email protected]
@EurocomTech
613-656-7961

Eurocom launches an unlocked BIOS option in the 15.6” Tornado F5 high-performance, fully upgradeable laptop giving customer’s complete control over their system that supports NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 graphics, Intel Core i7-7700K processor, 64 GB DDR4 memory and up to 8 TB of solid-state storage.

“By providing an out of the box unlocked laptop experience we are creating a new generation of overclockers, not just appealing to current ones,” said Mark Bialic, President, Eurocom.‎ “We are providing another reason for desktop PC gamers to move to laptops and experience gaming on the go.”

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 utilizes a highly advanced thermal solution that enables it to support a desktop Intel Core i7-7700K processor, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 graphics while allowing for further overclocking of the components without overheating. The heavy duty copper heatsinks and dual fan design create a perfect environment for high performance overclocking and supercomputing.

Customers can choose to have the unlocked BIOS when configuring their new laptop. The unlocked BIOS in the EUROCOM Tornado F5 will be offered for free until the middle of April. The optional unlocked BIOS gives users access to all of the settings necessary to overclock the CPU, adjust memory timings, and the ability to choose between UEFI or Legacy mode among other features.

“We are turning the entire industry upside down by unlocking our flagship product, the EUROCOM Tornado F5, the world's most powerful 15.6" laptop ever‎. We are making laptop history by providing more power to the people so they can overclock and push the current limits of their hardware. We are democratizing power by unlocking the BIOS and allowing people to overclock and have complete control over their laptop,” said Mark Bialic, Eurocom President.

Eurocom believes our customers should be free to choose the exact laptop and components they want. We want to take that a step further by giving our customers the ability to control their laptop with an unlocked BIOS. Heavy-duty cooling enables it to support high-performance components that are also overclockable.

Mr. Fox, a Technology Tester, Reviewer and Overclocker, has been testing the unlocked BIOS on his Tornado F5 and using it to push its limits and improve performance. According to Mr. Fox, “The unlocked BIOS Eurocom has provided for the Tornado F5 transforms it from a nice 15-inch laptop, without all of the disappointing performance deficits one might expect to find in a laptop, into a holy terror. How many laptops out there can run 4.7GHz all day long, run benchmarks at 5.0GHz and the memory at 3000 MHz memory?”

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 is equipped to take full advantage of the overclock-ability of the desktop Kaby Lake processors due to their high-quality copper heatsinks, high-speed fans, and use of Innovation Cooling Diamond 24 carat diamond thermal compound to manage the temperature of the desktop processor. Achieve unsurpassed performance by gaining control over the finest details of the CPU, memory, and GPU.

“Having access to all of the settings necessary to overclock the CPU, adjust memory timings, and the ability to decide on something as ridiculously simple as the ability to choose between UEFI or Legacy mode—things most of us used to take for granted—is a really big deal. All of these user controls and configuration options should be a basic right of ownership, but their absence is a massive failure that the industry should be ashamed of. The Tornado F5 is a superior product at a hardware level, and with the unlocked BIOS it can actually perform like a superior product. Kudos to Eurocom righting these wrongs and having the boldness to do the right thing for their customers” stated Mr. Fox, Technology Tester, Reviewer and Overclocker.

The EUROCOM Tornado F5 is one of the few laptops with a Z170 chipset, LGA 1151 CPU socket, and MXM 3.0 graphics slot for a wide range of customization options. Two M.2 SSD PCIe x2/x4 or SATA SSD and one 9.5mm SATA3 6 Gb/s storage drive are also supported to offer a great combination of capacity and speed. Four memory slots are available to support up to 64 GB of DDR4 SODIMM. Customers have a 15.6” FHD matte display and a 4K matte display to choose from as well.

The internal components of the EUROCOM Tornado F5 are easily accessible to allow users the ability to upgrade chosen components to increase performance, capacity, and lifespan.

EUROCOM Tornado F5 Specifications:
Display: 15.6-inch FHD 1920-by-1080 pixels or 4K UltraHD 3840-by-2160 pixels; eDP
Chassis: Aluminum Alloy (Back Cover and Top Case) and German manufactured resins (Front Cover and Bottom Case)
Chipset: Intel Z170 Express Chipset
Processor: Socket based; LGA1151; up to 91W TDP; choice of Core i7, i5, i3 up to 6700K/7700K
VGA Technology: upgradeable MXM 3.0; NVIDIA GeForce: GTX 1080, 1070, 1060, 980M, 970M or 965M; up to 150W TDP; discrete GPU only (no Optimus)
Memory: Four 260-pin SODIMM sockets; DDR4-2133/2400/3000/3200; up to 64GB
Storage: up to 3 physical drives: 2x M.2 2280 PCIe x2/x4 or SATA SSD and 1x HDD/SSD (9.5mm) SATA3 6Gb/s; RAID 0/1 with 2x NVMe SSDs
Card Reader: 6-in-1: UHS-II interface; MMC/RSMMC/SD/mini SD/SDHC/SDXC; Push-Push
Keyboard and Touchpad: Anti-ghosting backlit multi-colour 7-colour keyboard with numeric keypad; TouchPad with multi-gesture and scrolling; W/A/S/D Gaming key
Ports: 3x USB 3.0; 1x USB 3.1 type C (Thunderbolt 3); 1x DP 1.2; 1x HDMI 2.0; 1x Headphone; 1x Microphone-in; 1x S/PDIF (digital); 1x Line-in; 1x RJ-45 LAN; 1x DC-in
Audio: High Definition Audio; S/PDIF Digital Output; Built in microphone; Built in two 2W speakers; Sound Blaster X-FI MB3; External 7.1CH output (headphone, mic, line-in and S/PDIF)
Display Support: Supports up to 4 active displays including internal LCD; up to 3840x2160 @ 60Hz
Battery: 8cells; 14.4V 5225mAh/75.24Wh Li-Ion; up to 130 minutes
Weight: 2.92kg/6.45 lbs w/battery
Dimensions: 390x266x39.8mm/15.6x10.64x1.59-inch

About Eurocom:
Eurocom is the leading developer of long lifespan, fully upgradable laptops, as well as, high-performance mobile workstations and servers since 1989. Eurocom prides itself as an Industry leader in providing ground-breaking technology and continues to engineer innovative solutions that inspire individuals and companies to new growth and development. For more information on Eurocom please visit us at www.eurocom.com.

Online Resources:
Online Article: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(370)ec
EUROCOM Tornado F5 benchmarks: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/benchmarks(384)ec
EUROCOM Tornado F5: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,384,0)ec
EUROCOM Tornado F5 Images: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/images(384)ec
EUROCOM Tornado F5 FAQ: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/faqs(384)ec

 

I posted this in another thread, but it is actually a much better fit here, with more people that might benefit from it.

OK, Brother @syscrusher - here you go, man.



Imgur Album | Mr. Fox's EUROCOM Tornado F5 ThrottleStop Profiles

Spoiler: The Screen Shots

@Rage Set

You can get ThrottleStop from the amazing @unclewebb in this thread: The ThrottleStop Guide

 

I think you forgot to check a box in Hotket manager. eg Shift

 

yeah Otherwise people like me could convo these guys and make them offers, lol.

I won't I swear, but that's because I'm not a cut throat guy hahaha, but still kinda funny!

But Donald, didn't you buy like a bazillion of these 120hz panels ? (did you get them yet, or just go through all of them ??)

 

No, I stopped using shift recently. One less key to press. Simple or lazy, or just easy? Maybe all three. Now I only use Ctrl+0/1/2/3/4 for hotkeys.

 

For one the added cost with giving some screen g-sync support. Most companies want an extra $50-100 for it. I dont see the difference is some g-sync support vs a non screen one. I am not going to pay $50-100 for that when that will go towards a more memory or something else.

 

it's free in the F5. Or at the least I have never charged anyone for it with the F5.

 

The premamod is exclusive to EVOC.
I do not supply, endorse or support the Eurocom model with my firmware customizations in any way.

 

Hi everyone. I am quite interested in 16l13 right now. but I have some questions. maybe you guys could help me answer it.

- I found that every single usb type a port is on the right side, how much does that bother you? I feel like this is going to bother me a lot because i have an external hdd plugged in all the time.
-Does it make a lot of noise in idle/load?
-does pci-e/nvme drive run at 2x,2x when both are plugged in?
-I heard gsync is worth it only if you dip below 60fps, so is 120fps gsync panel worth it at all?
-how is its build quality? I had alienware 13 r2 and xps 15, not expecting much, but i dont want a laptop that is cheaply built. dont want a laptop that makes a lot of creaking noises and bends a lot on the keyboard deck.
-does it have 4 pole 3.5mm for earphones with mic?
-how is the keyboard? I find msi (tried out ge62 before) keyboard a bit stiff compared to alienwares
-any negative effects on wireless card by having it right under the cpu heatpipes?

thanks a lot

 

Is the F5 panel the B156HTN05.2 120Hz panel that has been g sync enabled? If so, what is the process behind enabling g sync?

 

Well, i thought the options were 1080p 60hz gsync, 4k 60hz gsync or 1080p 120hz gsync

 

Yes, I think G-sync is worth it for a 120Hz panel, you still get tearing if you don't use any form of V-sync.

 

Can someone help me out?!
I tried to undervolt my i7 7700k by using XTU and after a few sec beginning a xtu stress test, my cpu frequency dropped to 800hz. Later I set everything back to default to try to fix and the cpu frequency stayed the same at 800hz.
I thought maybe If I set bios to default it might fix the problem so I went and did it. Now my window says I can't boot because ''inaccessible boot device''. I went back to bios and set the boot orders back to what I did before and the problem can't be solve! I tried to make a clean install but Window setup can't even find my initial ssd (960evo) AND diskpart > list in command doesn't show the ssd either. I can't find anyway to boot into safe mode either since the option is for x reason, gone from the troubleshooting. F8 + shift no work either. D e s p e r a t e d. sigh..

 

Apologies if this has been posted before:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Unlock...m-Tornado-F5-for-a-limited-time.209240.0.html

 

the cost is already added in

 

Try an EC reset combined with BIOS reset to defaults. I had this happen a few times. After the the third time, I decided to uninstall XTU and just use ThrottleStop instead.

Sent from my SM-T810 using Tapatalk

 

Check to be sure the BIOS is set to whatever it was before for AHCI or RAID. It is probably set to "Intel RST Premium" or whatever MSI called RAID. The BIOS default is wrong for most systems. Most systems are set up to use AHCI.

 

This worked for me. XTU is not compatible with the new BIOS. I had the same issue.

 

Thanks a lot for the help ! This saved me, laptop is up and running at default now.

I just wonder, im using the i7 7700k and while running prime 95, my cpu frenquency doesnt go over 4.2Ghz and while testing, it hover around 3.4ghz.. i thought prime 95 is pretty intensive and it'll use 100%?

 

One problem after the other.
My cpu drops clock speed to 800mhz everytime I open an application after booting up. Right after starting my computer and get to Windows, the CPUID monitor shows 4.2ghz, then when I open an application (game), to cpu clock speed drops to 800mhz and temps are perfectly fine (50C)....Just saying but it started acting up like this right after I put bios on default and using XTU to undervolt.. ^ see my first problem above post

 

Your power option is set to performance and you're laptop is plugged in?

 

I'm an idiot. sorry. yeah laptop wasnt plugged.

 

No, not an idiot. Simple mistake. We are all born as noobs and know nothing except for what we learn. Being ignorant or inexperienced is an easy fix, and it has nothing to do with intelligence. I am ignorant of many things. So, cut yourself some slack, bro. You're awesome and you know it. Otherwise, you would have bought some emasculated BGA turdbook instead of a wicked little monsterbook.

Glad we could help.

 

> @ichangedmyname said:
>
> - I found that every single usb type a port is on the
> right side, how much does that bother you?

I'd prefer at least 2 on the left side and 2 on the right side but having all 3 on the right side is not enough of a problem for it to remotely bother me. Having the power cord input in the back (versus the left side) bothers me more than the USB ports (on right side) do, TBH. Both are minor to me.

> -Does it make a lot of noise in idle/load?

Subjectively to me, it does not. YM W V.

> -does pci-e/nvme drive run at 2x,2x when both are
> plugged in?
> -I heard gsync is worth it only if you dip below 60fps,
> so is 120fps gsync panel worth it at all?
> -does it have 4 pole 3.5mm for earphones with mic?

No opinion or I cannot answer these.

> -how is its build quality? I had alienware 13 r2 and
> xps 15, not expecting much, but i dont want a laptop
> that is cheaply built.

The Eurocom Tornado F5 is very well made. I am happy with it. I come from a Thinkpad T-series, X-series, Dell mobile Precision, Apple Macbook Pro, Alienware 18 background. The fit and finish is fine. The chassis is VERY serviceable for tinkering, for upgrading, or for modifying.

> dont want a laptop that makes a lot of creaking noises
> and bends a lot on the keyboard deck.
> -how is the keyboard? I find msi (tried out ge62 before)
> keyboard a bit stiff compared to alienwares

The keyboard appears to be similar if not exact to the MSI steel series except it is not branded as such. The key travel is shallow (compared with Thinkpad and Alienware 18) but I have zero issues touch typing blind on it. It does not creek nor make noises anywhere on the keyboard nor on the palm reset nor the surrounding chassis.

On the thinkpad side we used to debate the various merits of the old "IBM" guard of NMB versus Chicony versus Alps keyboards ... no one is going to put the MSI steel series in *that* pantheon. One of the reasons I bought this computer is the reports of the Chevo keyboards scared me more than the MSI. But to me the MSI keyboard *is* serviceable. You could do a lot worse.

So if you like or hate the MSI steel series, so will you with this keyboard. That's all I can say.

> -any negative effects on wireless card by having it
> right under the cpu heatpipes?

Not that I can see. I have the Killer Wireless-AC 1535 WLAN card and I use the full Killer Suite. So far I am 3 for 3 on great performance and flawless reliability with Killer. Zero wireless issues on this computer. I'm a networking guy, so I run this machine, hard. If it had wireless issues, I would know, believe me.

HTH

 

Just broke the 17k Fire Strike!



http://www.3dmark.com/fs/12159717

 

Doesn't that outperform most X9E2's (P870DM-G2) ?

 

Do you have any way of testing if your limited by the PSU i.e ADC or something, or would you like to experiment with my 780W PSU for a week or so ?
(I am curious if extra power would make further difference)

 

It doesn't if a person already has a 330W AC adapter, but it might with a lower capacity AC adapter. I have 780W AC adapter and the Tornado F5 performance is the same as when using 330W AC adapter. With 7700K and 1080 at extreme overclock levels it still does not completely exhaust the capacity of a 330W adapter. There is not much wiggle room, but more than 330W is not required.

 

Oh I didn't know that, thanks for that. I pretty much suspected as much mind you.

Though I do wonder about having everything populated, both NVMe, the sata3 the wifi, the USBs and a 1080 and a 7700K etc... should start to add up once you factor in something using the thunderbolt.

 

Well I know that the guy in the lead on 3DMark (for single 1070 Fire Strike) is using a CLEVO P870DM-G powered by premamod, so I suspect he has an unlocked vbios as his 1070 clocks to 2101MHz vs my 1848MHz. I am beating him on my physics score however

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/11661315/fs/12159717#

I don't have any way of measuring but as @Mr. Fox said I guess my 330W is up to the task. However speaking about power I was hitting some "Power Limit Throttling" when experimenting with 5.2 GHz earlier today and cant seem to get past it.

 

Power Limit Throttle means the power limits (PL1 and PL2) are too low. Set those to at least 160000 each.

If you see Current Limit Throttling, that generally is an indication that the core voltage is too high.

With a 1070 you won't even get close to exhausting the 330W AC adapter. With 1080 and stock vBIOS it does not even come close. Only with a modded 1080 vBIOS does it pull enough watts to get close.

In this run my GPU pulls about 200W. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11775202

 

I actually do have them set to 160000 in bios, took a few tips from that little bios guide you posted awhile back, so thanks for that sir. Also are PL1 and PL2 reflected as "Turbo boost short power max" and "turbo boost power max" in XTU? Because I noticed those values change to 160W as result

 

It actually stated power limit throttling ?

 

And single 330W Delta is good for 425W from the wall. We know With single OC'd old man 980

 

Maybe increase them to 180000 each. If it still does it, then try setting the ICCMax in XTU to 350.00W. Just be sure it was not Current Limit Throttle or Temperature Throttle, because those are different.

Here is what one can expect with GoW4 performance with 7700K and 1080x1. (This wasn't on the TF5, but the performance is the same.)

 

OK I'll give that a shot tomorrow perhaps, and yes it's defiantly power limit throttling, or so XTU says about halfway though a Cinebench run, then I throttle down to 4.5 - 4.7 ish

 

OK, that sounds like voltage is too high, but it could also be the power limits too low. One way or the other, make very small changes to voltage one or two notches in the voltage settings at a time. Just enough to make the problem go away. You can rule out the power limit being too low by setting it for something ludicrous, like 300000 or 500000. It won't hurt anything. The CPU will totally ignore the extra watts that it doesn't need.

 

Will do, thanks for the input sir. 5.1 has no issues so I feel like I can squeeze 5.2 out of her in good time.

 

Perhaps. For me the difference between 5.1 and 5.2GHz on my Tornado F5 and P870DM3 is like hitting a wall. I have been trying for months and getting 5.2GHz stable enough for benching has been hit or miss. Good one day and not the next, with no changes in settings. 5.1GHz is comparatively easy to get stable. Same with the memory overclocking. I can run 3333 with no hitches for a day or two, and then the next day it won't boot anything over 3000 without a BSOD. I haven't been able to get the TF5 to boot more than 3000 on RAM, but I think that is because the voltage won't go over 1.200V. I use 1.350V and 1.400V on the P870DM3 for 3200 and 3333.

I think much of this has to do with motherboards and the variance in quality of the components attached to them more so than user-applied settings or CPU bin quality.

 

probably due to vdroop and voltage stability on the smaller motherboards


desktop ones have better voltage regulation