*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

I hope AMD brings something to the table soon and we start seeing AMD GPUs in notebooks again soon. Unfortunately the modding and overclocking community hasn't even made so much as a peep about this on the forums/reddit. And those "reviewers on YouTube are all basically on Nvidia payroll. They would never say a bad word about Nvidia or they can kiss those early reviewer packages goodbye. It's unfortunate because so many people take every word they say literally and it must be true because XYZ youtube review said so.

 

Anyone know why my CPU locks at 3.5Ghz?? Default settings, no undervolt and high performance battery option

 

The question is, how do we use this flash tool ?

 

Thanks for posting. For sure I'm not disappointed by lower temps!! But I still am interested to see temps on a stock system (with undervolt is ok, I mean mostly not yet delidded). If you get a chance to test gaming conditions with the full CPU clock, please share your results, I am sure not just me, but many others, will appreciate the data!

 

So thats what I tried to do but it seems like my cpu is locked to 3.5ghz...dunno why tho =/ am still looking through the problem.

 

I think I have posted photos of my mods in a few places, but this is a huge forum and I realize it is impossible to see/notice everything. Lord know I miss a ton of stuff.

See first photo in the spoiler.

Spoiler: Mr. Fox's Tornado F5 Mods... so far

GPU Firmware Flashing


Socket-Mounted System BIOS Chip


Relocated CMOS Battery (eliminates need for mobo removal stupidity)


Bottom Cover Mod


M.2 Cooling Mod (I used these watch band things for the retainers - worked perfectly - http://www.ebay.com/itm/152247119659)

 

First thing to do is make sure your power limits are set to at least 160000. That may not fix the problem, but if they are set to BIOS defaults the CPU will run like crap. I think MSI made the default BIOS for this the same settings as some sissy-boy piece of trash BGA CPU like 6700HQ.

Stock BIOS is absolutely crippled and castrates the snot out of your system. I just tested a new BIOS and EC for Eurocom this weekend and EC 113 basically ruined my CPU performance. I went back to EC 111 (which is what you see in the image below). With EC 113 the CPU was throttling down to 4.2GHz no matter what I set everything to. HWiNFO64 was showing "power limit exceeded" and ThrottleStop was showing "TDP Throttle" no matter what I set the power limits to.

EC 111 fixed that with my unlocked BIOS.
http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=80728722158

 

Um..interesting, ill try to set it 160k then, thanks! Although im not sure why but by restarting my pc, cpu is back to normal. I guess i accidently clicked on something wrong? Btw, Im a complete newb in computing, so what does EC stands for? And i got the unlocked bios btw

Once again, thanks for helping

 

@CedricFP So comp back to normal, here are my max temps after 10min? of The Division. I put everything back to default stock settings, so no undervolting, nor tweaking.

 

Thank you for sharing these. Am I correct to assume the 98c temps are just spikes and that the average during load is lower?

 

Yep, that 98C is a spike, but temps arent much lower anyway. I would say it'll hover around 85-90 most of the time

 

I would also set the VR Current limit to 2400

 

That certainly won't cause any harm, especially if something is wrong. Since switching from 6700K to 7700K and further experimenting, I am no longer changing any of the VR limits. Basically BIOS defaults for everything except voltage, PL1/PL2 and Mac OC Ratio and multipliers works fine for me up to 5.2GHz. No need to increase those other values from "0" (default) for me with 7700K. No throttling or anything. But, I do use static voltage now for everything. No more adaptive with offsets with 7700K.

See example below (which you quoted). All of my VR limits are set to BIOS defaults and as you can see, no throttling.

 

Can i ask you how to set power limits to 160000 in bios? I found a few power limits but am hesitating

 

set power limit 1 and power limit 2 to 160000

Do you have the Eurocom Tornado F5 or the EVOC 16L-G-1080?

 

I have Eurocom Tornado F5 with unlocked bios

 

Right, also fish around in the BIOS CPU Features and ensure to DISABLE Intel SW Guards Extension

That is enabled by default or set to Software Controlled. This causes mouse stuttering and lag and is only intended for use by app developers to embed some sort of security in their apps, not needed for the casual users.

 

Okay, i found the power limit 1 n 2 in the turbo configuration options, not sure if thoses are the ones. And also disabled sw guards extension

 

That is correct my friend.

Also, fish around more until you find Watchdog timer and XTU interface

enable both

XTU interface ensures that there is a link between the XTU software and the BIOS so that when you make a change in XTU, it's not just done in XTU but is also changed in the BIOS thus, that setting is applied from the moment you turn on your laptop not only after XTU is loaded when you're in Windows and that also means that since the setting is now changed in BIOS, even if you format, your settings will remain intact for the most part.

 

Been looking around bios a few time but I can t seem to be able to find the XTU interface anywhere. I found watchdog timer tho.

 

On my MSI GT73VR Titan Pro, it's in the 2nd Tab (Advanced) > Overclocking Performance Menu.......

 

Same on the TF5...

 

I looked around again but I still cant find it, not sure if its because I didnt install properly or if i didnt check an option on xtu settings =(

 

That's very strange. Please contact Eurocom and tell them about this. Having the XTU interface enabled is vital if you want to have a proper link between XTU and the BIOS. Otherwise any change you make in XTU will not be really changed in the BIOS so it's more like a software based change that is only applicable when XTU is running.

this was a concern another user raised here before complaining why aren't his settings sticking after a reboot and enabling the XTU interface was the solution. very easy fix

 

OK, major problem there, bro. Overclocking needs to be changed to enabled. Having that set to disabled is going to cause you a world of hurt, even if you are only planning to do minor tweaking with XTU and ThrottleStop within Windows.

 

how come you have the Watchdog Timer disabled bro?

Isn't that good to have it enabled so if one applies wrong OC settings it would reset them back to default or am I wrong?

please educate me

 

Sorry for my stupidity. I just figured that i didnt turn oc features on...

 

Nice catch, that says it all

 

Don't ever say that about yourself. Ignorance is easily fixed by learning. Stupidity is incurable. If you were stupid you would not have purchased such a nice little monsterbook. You're actually very smart and just learned a new trick, that's all.

All of us are born noobs. If anyone tells you otherwise, then you know that individual is either stupid or a liar, or both.

 

@Phoenix @Mr. Fox Thanks you guys for the overnight help =D, really appreciated!

 

You're welcome. It is 2:39 AM now, so I am going to call it a day. I have to get ready for work in about 3.5 hours, LOL.

With that enabled you should see XTU Interface. And, your 160000 PL1/PL2 settings will actually take effect. (They would be ignored with that disabled.)

 

it's 13:39 here in Dubai so you have support on these forums 24/7

Mr. Fox, Papusan, Bloodhawk, TBonesan, Johnksssssssssss, Prema, and many others (sorry if I forgot to mention your name here) all make this community the best

 

Haha, yeah I've been following this this thread since a long time ago way before I even bought my computer ( yah I read the whole thread ). Saw many people helping, best thread so far! Can't help but keep following the posts here everyday

 

Good night.

I don't apply wrong overclock settings most of the time. If I do, salvation is no further away than FN+D on Clevo or CMOS battery removal on the TF5. Now that I moved it to the easy-to-reach side it's not a big deal on the TF5. ( @Talon did you move yours yet, bro?)

I disable it because it has a different opinion about what it good than I do, and it interferes with me doing some things my own way. I don't want it resetting BIOS defaults as a "favor" for me.

 

ok, just making sure I was thinking correctly about what it does

 

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I second this. I expect bro @Phoenix don't run his B*****K as a server

 

Mathematically, the second example you cite is interpolation, but the first one is not. If I have two data points (X,Y) at (1,1) and (3,3), then linear interpolation tells me that (2,2) lies halfway between them.

+1 on this, based on my observations. I have the 1080 and am easily clearing 60 FPS most of the time in Fallout 4 and Skyrim at 4K. I don't have Witcher 3 installed yet, so I can't tell you how that would perform. In FO4, I occasionally drop to around 50 FPS for really demanding scenes with a lot of NPCs and visual FX. My GPU is conservatively overclocked by 150 MHz core and 300 MHz memory, and I have had zero crashes with those settings after about two weeks. YMMV.

 

It this svet modded?

 

Speaking as one of those "new overclockers", I'll post in support of this (even though I bought from another supplier). I was originally put off by the notion of "tinkering with" settings that I presumed the manufacturers had Very Good Reasons for choosing, because with a background in hardware design I have been one of those who set the specs (not for PCs -- my work was in industrial control systems).

Thanks to a lot of help from @Phoenix, @Mr. Fox, @Donald@HIDevolution, @woodzstack, and others, I've learned that there is plenty of room to safely OC a machine, if you are willing to be an active, thinking owner instead of a consumer. Since I'm using my machine for work, I'm more cautious than most, but I'm still reaping about a 15% performance boost over stock with temps that are slightly lower most of the time.

I'm so glad I took the red pill here.

 

Btw @Phoenix @Mr. Fox, was just wondering, is it normal for the system to heat up a little at start..say 50C and spikes of 70C (idle around 40) after the tweaks we did last night? I know my paste are bad tho, so i'll delid pretty soon, but the temps i see on your ( @Mr. Fox ) post ytd is so low I almost can't believe it.

 

FWIW, I have the Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265 in mine, and I also have had no issues. Like @Aroc, I'm a sysadmin and run my machine hard. I also like to work from a local coffee shop (I telecommute), and some of my work involves content creation and other things that push the CPU hard. I've done wifi networking while running high CPU load, zero problems.

 

speaking of Coffee shops, when I had the Killer AC1535, it would connect at some coffee shops and wouldn't at others depending on what router they used, but the Intel ones always connect just fine

@Aroc

Try downloading huge amounts of data like a game on steam or multiple simultaneous file downloads (let's say 10+ downloads at the same time) and watch your Killer WLAN Card kill itself........ seriously........

see: Just upgraded to an Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265

 

Emphatically. Modern circuit boards are designed for wave soldering, and although I'm damned good with a soldering iron myself, there is no way I'd even think about trying to desolder and resolder a BGA CPU without some specialized gear. Buy a good system in the first place, then declare victory and march home. Silk purse, sow's ear...you know the story.

 

Can you correlate the success or failure of WLAN connection with proximity to the hookah hoses?

 

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Yes, that is normal because the CPU is actually working correctly and not throttling.

If you ever see temps that seem ridiculously low it is because I am benching on AC cooling. It was cooler before because it was running slower than it is supposed to run.

This example is with AC cooling: http://i.imgur.com/w9xmOUk.jpg

This one (different machine) is without AC cooling: http://i.imgur.com/V95iFF4.jpg

 

Out of curiosity, I did a little research on SGX. It's basically a way of locking specific memory regions within a low-privilege app so they are protected even from code running at a higher privilege ring. It's designed to allow (for example) sensitive crypto logic to run within a user-space (rather than kernel-space) application.

 

whatever it is, I am not allowing that cancer to be enabled on my laptop.

when I first got my laptop, while moving the mouse I would get intermittent stuttering, I didn't give it much attention at first but then it became annoying and I know my mouse is good as it never did that before on other laptops........

That's when I started fishing around in the BIOS and disabled it, what do you know.....no more stuttering and the machine feels snappier