*** MSI 16L13 (Eurocom Tornado F5)/EVOC 16L-G-1080 15.6" Owner's Lounge ***

Sounds like Intel needs to tune the microcode on that feature. Yikes.

 

I would suggest booting with "nouveau.modeset=0", as nouveau tends to have trouble working with bleeding edge Nvidia cards. Once you have you installation completed, you should be able to install the Nvidia binary driver and blacklist the nouveau module.

For the network issues you may need to use a debian netinst image that has non-free firmware in the image, such as http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/u...ncluding-firmware/8.7.1+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/. I believe both the Intel 8265 and Killer E2400 need firmware loaded to work.

 

Thanks for catching that mistake. I was commenting from my phone so I had multiple ideas combined that really didn't make sense. As far as interpolation that is indeed inbetween two outside frames. Once again, through my jumbled post that isn't quite what I meant. It is extrapolation because it takes information from the two previous frames and tries to assume position of a third frame that hasn't been rendered. So (X,Y) would be (4,4) with your given example. Smoothing can work in both fields and with duplicating frames. It turns out though that G sync doesn't do any smoothing so if you have frame rates beneath your tolerable perception for smooth G sync does nothing to help with that. G sync just makes sure that the screen won't tear when the refresh rates of the screen don't line up with the render rate of the GPU. G sync helps with not holding renders or wasting renders though as vsync and triple buffered vsync have a tendency to do. This can make the controls feel smoother at slower render rates. Initially I was under the impression that G sync performed some sort of "smoothing" so I inferred what that process might be drawing from smoothing practices.

 

Oh awesome, good to know! And yah, the temps without cooling looks more normal , yet still very nicee. Thanks for the help yet again !

 

I'd appreciate a step by step guide to over clock the 7700K by using TS in the Tornado F5/EVOC 16L-G-1080.

I used Intel XTU but it doesn't work in a stable way, crashes at 4.8, 4.7 isn't stable after sometime. I'm stressed now, back to watch some movies instead.

 

Have you delidded your CPU yet? If not, you won't be able to push your CPU far, especially if it's the 7700k.

About 10 pages back, @Mr. Fox posted images of his TS settings. Those are a great starting point.

 

does anyone here have a measurement of how thick the 16L13's fans are?

 

Excellent suggestions. I haven't had time to pursue this further, but I'll try that. I have lots of Linux sysadmin experience, but 95% of it is on servers in a virtual infrastructure, where X11 means only client libraries, not server. I have to decide if I want Xubuntu (I prefer xfce4) or Debian here. I like both, for different reasons, so my choice may come down to "whichever installs most smoothly".

 

Could you speak on how far you would expect the average 7700k to go if it hasn't been delidded? Or are we talking stock is about as much as you can expect?

 

It should be delided as I bought it from HIDEVOLUTION.

I'm seeing very low temp like the ones @Mr. Fox showed, I had placed my laptop on the fan plates and the A/C is just 1M away blowing cold air, on Idle it gets as low as 23C.

I'm going to check YouTube for 7700K overclock guides, sometimes I just can't read as much as watch videos, the convince of modern era technology makes me lazy

@Mr. Fox if I don't have unlocked Bios, can I still hit 5Ghz on the same settings you have used? Is 5.0Ghz good for daily use? Or should it be only for gaming and benchmarking? I'm talking about the 7700K delided CPU....

Edit: so from reviewing the last 10 pages to hit 5.0Ghz on my i7 7700k I need to set voltage to static 1.260V, PL1 & PL2 set to 160000, change core multipliers to 50.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

thanks for sharing that was awesome.

 

look at that bloody black magic there !

 

No offense, but I wish to share I think the KILLER WiFi's and ethernet suites are garbage. Its rebranded software that you are forced to configure and waste time on, just for QoS. meanwhile 802.11KVR and AC and MiMo are on the 8265 if your interested in an actually amazing wifi experience.

 

I am no expert (can't push mine more than 4.9 although it is delided and has TGC on and the temps are very cool). The problem is i don't have much time to play and TS sometimes works sometimes does not for me.
But... watch Mr. Fox's video and settings and don't forget to share your results. Will be thankful for a Screenshot from you with your settings once you are able to push it 5+

 

I jumped to the BIOS and set PL1 and PL2 to 160000. Only that. Booted into windows, I set the basic tuning to 4.7/4.7 (what is the job of the catch?)

Did a stress test for 15 minutes, temps around 82C average.
I did a +200/+200 on the GPU.
Here is what I have for now on 4.7GHz. I can't go over 4.7 or I crash right away. In the BIOS the volt override from ADAPTIVE to the override on gives me optional range from 0 to 2000, how much should I put in there in the BIOS if I want 1.260V? I don't know how that is calculated, makes me freak out, I don't want to burn my CPU..........

 

No offense taken, I hate Killer WLAN cards, they never worked well for me. Back in the days of Alienware 18 I had a Killer 1250 which kept giving me BSODs when I downloaded a lot of data and then I tried to give them another chance with the AC1535 then the card kept disabling itself when I hit it hard with huge downloads. Switched to the Intel AC8265 and no problems ever since then. It just works

 

On Clevo Prema BIOS you would put 1260 for 1.260V so I assume it should be the same on your laptop

 

I posted their model numbers a long time ago in this thread...If I remember correctly they are the same as the GT72 and GT62 just a different heatsinc design

 

mm damn

if the thickness is the same as 73VR then I have some ideas...

 

Bro you are MIA! I sent you some messages in WA, check them out.

 

MIA?

Didn't get any messages on WA BTW, please resend

 

Missing in action.

 

Simply remove the decimal point. For Override voltage of 1.250V you would enter 1250. Be aware that at idle the voltage will be higher. Under 100% load it will come down to the setting you entered for override voltage.

You will not burn your CPU. The motherboard in laptops generally do not output enough voltage to harm the CPU.

Watch the video for ThrottleStop that @deathwingbg shared and you can see the voltage settings I am using for the 7700K. You may have to adjust yours a little bit since no two CPUs are identical, but it should put you into the right ball park for fine tuning.

The Killer 11XX were extremely unreliable products. Now, to the contrary, the Killer 1202 and 1535 are totally awesome products. I like them better than any other WiFi cards I have owned, including my Intel AC cards. They are faster and produce fewer issues for me than anything else. I agree that the Killer "suite" is just silly bloatware for gamer kids. There is no reason to install that. If it is already installed, you can use Autoruns to kill it or uninstall the package and use the INF method to install the drivers (either way works equally well).

 

I was able to boot UbuntuGNOME 16.10 on mine just fine back in January. I think everything worked except screen brightness control (which seems to be broke with the MSI dGPU implementations, because the same thing happened on a GT72S I setup for a friend last year). I would re-install it permanently but I have yet to purchase a spare M.2 SSD, and I don't really want to shrink the Windows partition on my 2TB MX300 either. I think something like a classic xorg driver had to be installed in order to use the nvidia binary driver, but that has probably been fixed by now.

 

so I downloaded @unclewebb ThrottleStop and watched @Mr. Fox guide to undervolt my 7700k last night....first time doing undervolting by the way..and I'm a completely noob on hardware tweaking.
My cpu temp dropped about 15c on each core after undervolt....I couldn't believe it because it's just too amazing! Before undervolting my cpu core hit around 88c~93c while playing heroes of the storm(it's not even a hardware demanding game!)
But right now everything seems cool lot better. Here's a screenshot of current temp in same game. Can't wait to get off work to do more further study!

 

OMG there be dragons !

Yeah, word of caution, not all settings will work on similar laptops, its odd that way. Its always odd that way.

 

Yeah the 8265 is a god send! I stock up on them by the dozens... whole trays full.

I just hate it prompting me to test internet speeds. It does nothing with it that it couldn't automatically do with any normal QoS.

 

what tests? I just install the INF Driver and you wanna do that to.......reason being.....

Apps not loading on startup in Windows 10 [SOLVED]

For what the Intel AC8265 offers for just $25USD, it's a steal!

 

Can it be oc'd?

 

"Oh of course it can"


You heard it straight from the horses mouth...


Okay sorry, but no, WiFi chips can't be overclocked, or at least no one I know has every managed too do it... how would you even approach such a thing, where to start ?

 

Oh'well. Maybe residues from Intel's binning of silicon intended for fully locked down 6700/7700hq

 

You need to have the "multipass"


You know, the 6820HK and 7820HK's are actually pretty decent, they perform on par of what you;d expect a 6700K or 7700K to do in a less expensive system.
The odd ball is this F5 outperforms desktops and the best of systems with these CPU's...

 

You mean if you overclock them to the edge of their ability to be overclocked they are similar to what a stock 6700K or 7700K might perform like with no voltage optimizations for stable stock clocks on the desktop chips? Right? Otherwise, these BGA turd CPUs are real dogs and don't even come close when comparing stock HK against stock K. The 7700K in my TF5 performs exceptionally well, but still not as well as the 7700K in the DM3, which also performs exceptionally well. I suspect part of the issue here is many desktop owners don't have a clue what to do when it comes to performance tuning. Sky Lake and Kaby Lake CPUs do not perform well in most cases using BIOS defaults.

 

What I imply is the 7820HK is a much better option then simply using a 7700HQ, while it is not a 7700K its as close as it will come with the BGA, the 6700HQ and 7700HQ are more akin to a 6600 and 7600 non-K variants, but with better thermals.

 

Maybe I'll start by trying 16.10. I experimented with 16.04 LTS. I had considered 16.10 as an option, and your report is encouraging.

 

So what benifit does using Ubuntu have anyways ?

 

hi guys if i open up the laptop and unplugged the big battery to do upgrades like ssd, ram etc, will removing battery reset or change my bios settings? Just want to make sure everything before i take the jump.

 

Ubuntu is a Debian derivative. Debian is a very conservative version of Linux, popular with sysadmins who demand highest uptime levels. Its package manager, "apt", is superbly designed and almost flawlessly calculates dependencies for installing, removing, or upgrading software. For instance, if I have an Debian server and want to upgrade to the latest versions of all the thousands of installed packages, even the kernel, it's as simple as this:

apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
shutdown -r now # This is only required if there was a kernel update

I've done this on servers that were 500 km away from me, upgrading 300 or more packages in a single run, and almost always it "just works". The "testing" version of Debian is so stable that some sysadmins will use all or part of it in production settings. The "stable" version is even more so.

The downside of Debian is that its conservatism means you don't have the latest hardware drivers.

Ubuntu is a Debian derivative, tracking Debian "testing" releases, that is aimed at the desktop user. It's got the same wonderful "apt" package manager, but trades a small amount of enterprise-grade reliability in exchange for much more current releases of software.

 

no really, should be fine.

 

Interesting, so it really comes down to updates being more reliable that is your factor in choosing to use it ?

 

Mostly, but there are other factors. As you probably know, Linux (unlike Windows) does not have just one desktop interface design. You can install more than one (and there are dozens available, all for free), and each user account can choose the one they prefer to run, and can change each time they login. (Open source software is all about freedom to choose.)

By default, Ubuntu comes with a UI called "Unity" (no relationship to the Unity game engine that I also use). I happen to prefer a lighter-weight, more techie-oriented UI called "xfce4". I can run it under Debian or under Ubuntu, but since I don't care about one of Ubuntu's exclusive features, and I tend to prefer reliability over glitz, Debian is my preference, "other things equal." There is also the fact that in my day job I administer over 200 Linux servers alongside my main job as a consultant (small company, many hats per person). The systems I admin are CentOS (a Red Hat derivative) and Debian -- very few are Ubuntu. So if I run Debian on my personal machine, even though it's "close to" Ubuntu, it's just a little bit more familiar to me.

Sorry if that was more than you really wanted to know, but you asked a very legitimate question that I felt deserved a thoughtful answer.

 

Hey no way, no need to be sorry about the info, I honestly was curious. I run my server off a Linux something, tried CentoOS - we couldn't figure it out as easily.
So I have a friend running it and managing it and my sites now, all my networking experience was straight up windows because that was what my clients always had, very few if ever had Linux, and they had a different support staff specifically for it, so I lost all knowledge of what was what after University, and after 15 years of not using it, I mean back then we were pretty excited for like Redhat 6, and were using 4.0 haven;t followed whats what since... heck windows explorer was like version 6 I think... for when XP was there...

There are features I loved from ME back in the day, that I know we also had on linux, but I never see anywhere anymore, we could throw a web item onto our desktop, with todays gif's and meme's it would have been great. I used to resize all these final fantasy 6 characters with full actions on my desktop and automate them to start and play as I wanted. Used to just click on an item on the web and select send to desktop. That easy.

 

Multipass hehehe I loved that movie, the fifth element.

 

I remember very little of the movie, but I remember that and that opera singer.

 

There is a new movie coming out, if you like the fifth element you should like the new movie, problem is, I forgot the name of the new movie....

 

I'll preface this post by saying the fans in my 16L13 are obnoxious. Fan noise is something I have very little tolerance for and I am more sensitive than most so don't take this as "the fans in all machines are awful". In the 16L13, its not just the volume of sound, but more the sound profile. My unit has substantial ticking (almost grinding) at any speed above 800rpm. At 2000rpm the fan is very distracting. To this point I have tried to oil the sleeve without any change. I suspect I just have some duds because the GT73vr I also have access too uses the same motor, but just sounds like air moving (much less invasive).

I am going to try and replace the fans in my 16L13 unit with something of a little higher quality. The current fan is an AAVID PABD19735BM in the N322 configuration. This is a 12V fan used in several MSI machines but there are several different physical configurations. It can be single exit like the 16L13, or multi-exit like the GT73vr. (see pics)

You can also see that the plastic bottom (where the fan is connected) can be separated from the metal shroud where the mounting points are. I have ordered several different fans from China to try in this machine. My goal is to find a fan with better sound profile that doesn't sacrifice on CFM, or find a direct replacement so I can dissect my current ones without worry. If something I find sounds better but doesn't fit very well, I plan on using my 3D printer to make a new housing for the fan that fits in the 16L13

Some dimensions of the 16L13 variant: 22mm thick, 90mm wide exit .

16L13

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GT73vr

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Keep us updated! Thanks for sharing.

 

Mine are somewhere between motor noise and moving air noise, but surprisingly quiet most of the time. At low RPM, I hear mostly a faint whisper of moving air (not at all objectionable to me) and a faint magnetostrictive sound from the motor, a higher-pitched version of AC transformer hum. At medium RPM, the magnetostrictive tone gains prominence over the air sound, and I begin hearing some impeller blade tone. At full speed, the air sounds gain volume again, and the impeller blade tone increases, but there is no perceptible (to me) magnetostrictive sound. When my machine is under minimal load (such as now when "web page" is the most demanding thing on the screen), my fans are almost silent, and I hear only the faint magnetostrictive sound.

Now that I think about it, I should record the sounds some time (I have a hiqh-quality mic) and run them through a Fourier analysis to see what I've really got, objectively and not subjectively.

FWIW, I have absolutely no ticking or grinding component observable, so I would support your theory that you have one or more defective fans in your specific unit.

Again FWIW, on a personal sound sensitivity level, I consider myself relatively sensitive but tolerant -- that is to say, I find the loud fans under load a bit annoying, but I accept that annoyance as a "laws of thermodynamics" necessity if I want the ultra performance in a portable machine. My 16L13 is not silent, but neither was my Macbook Pro when it was under load. I don't have any SPL meter here, but subjectively I'd say this machine is very slightly louder than my Macbook under light load (only because the Macbook was literally silent), and noticeably louder than the Macbook under heavy load -- but the character of the sound is extremely similar aesthetically, and the 16L13 trades that increased volume for about 1.8X CPU and 6X GPU performance over the Mac.

TL;DR: Yes, I think you're right about dud fans, because my machine doesn't sound like that at all.

 

good luck, please keep us posted !