** MSI GE62 Apache (and Pro) Owner's Lounge**

I'll have it changed to the 8265 chip

 

Very nice. How do you like it? Do you see any increase in performance?

 

Does anyone own the ge72mvr? I see little talk of this comp on this site. Can it handle cooling the 1070 and 7700hq?

 

This is a good system with lots of pros and the dual-fan cooling design on this machine is great.

 

Anyone have temps in battlefield 1 or overwatch on it?

 

Can't give you the specifics but this is a known fact. So depending on your graphical settings in each game, MSI NBs typically max out at 90 Celsius when GPU is under max load.

 

Hey guys, I'm owner of MSI GE62 6QF Apache pro
i bean surfing the internet and here sometimes to get some knowledge needed for my tasks but i have some questions and problems that i want to ask


1st: My laptop SSD just died 2-3 weeks ago, i was doing a normal task and seen some strange things like data not showing up...etc.... and then my computer froze and then shutdown.
after that i tried to restart but it just gone straight to bios and after some tries i realized that the ssd is not showing up, so no windows and no boot, so i installed windows on this slow stock HDD and been since. now i am not sure that the ssd it self broke or the is another problem involved, if there is any way to know for sure what happened let me know.
and if the ssd is broken, i need to replace it. so what are my best options and what NVME ssd's i could fit in, like 960 evo fitting in or not and etc


2nd: i updated my EC and my bios. haven't noticed much about EC but the bios that i updated to version 112 seams so unsmooth, i'm talking about the bios it self and the boot times. the key response in bios version 112 is very bad but in 106 its much better and the boot time is faster compared. and yes i also did update to 106 first the 112 and did the UEFI update of 112 two times. but still i'm not sure and want to ask you opinion about that.
also is there any moded bios available ? i know about svet but as i am in iran i don't think that's a good option for me as it's very hard for me to donate in dollars.


3rd: my cpu: i mostly play games that are cpu intensive, like arma 3, when i play arma 3 with HT enabled i get high temps and get throttled down to the 2.3-5 ghz. so i disabled HT in the bios.
maybe this high temp is because of dust and paste getting old? if so whats the best procedure to clean and re paste?
and there is another question, aside from the HT and temps, i want to overclock the cpu as my arma 3 game Would benefit ALLOT with more raw cpu Hz, so how can i overclock and in what ways.
and is there some modifications and tricks to this laptop that can increase some things like performance and such?


4th: i'm not much pleased with the quality of display. cause it cannot show good range of colors and its not smooth in color transitions. and the blacks are Too black and not distinguishable. the last steps of black are very much alike. i removed the MSI true color as it was bugged and did not show the app and i couldn't disable the desktop partition which is a pain in the A. even back with the msi true color the display quality was very bad


5th: i have an external LCD which is kinda old but not much, it has a good quality but i can't connect it to this laptop, its DVI and when i try to connect it to HDMI it connects to intel and when nvidia graphic gets active monitor disconnects and gets black, is there a way to fix it or i have to connect it to a different port?

another side question: a good thermal paste replacement suggestion?

Apologies for asking this load of questions. i hope i can get some answers and if anybody answers they get a big thanks and hug from me (hug is optional).

thank you!
-Shahryar

 

1. Any m.2 NVME will fit like 960. 2. No other modded BIOS is available. 3. You can't overclock the CPU, it's locked. Check the previous page for the vid I posted for repaste. My CPU runs at 3500 no throttle. With svet BIOS you could O/C ram and Video. 4. If you have a LG Philips LP156WF6 screen it is great with rave reviews. 5. Don't know 6. Check my sig.

 

Thanks Steve, for the answers and the time,

 

Hello loyal MSI owners and followers.

This is my very first post here and I would like to ask anyone kind and helpful enough what the screen display quality is like on the MSI Apache Pro GE62 6QF-261UK?

There are so many different versions of this brand laptop with different specifications that I am not sure.

When watching movies or high-definition videos, Is the display vivid, bright and full of life or is it dull and lifeless with no wide viewing angles? Is the screen on par with an IPS display?

Please, can a current owner or someone with knowledge answer and I would be very, very appreciative.

Here are the other specifications for those not 100% sure of which one I am referring to:

Intel® Core™ i7-6700HQ Processor
16GB High Speed RAM
128GB SSD + 1000GB 7200RPM HDD
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 3GB Dedicated Graphics

15.6" MSI, 1920x1080 FULL HD Resolution, Anti-Glare

USB 3.0 | USB-C | HDMI | Bluetooth | Mini DisplayPort | DVD Rewriter

Nahimic Sound Enhancer

Backlit Keyboard

Microsoft Windows 10 64-bit

2 Year Collect and Return Warranty

 

It will be an IPS panel. Should be the same as mine I would think but you would have to find out what panel is used.

 

Hi Guys

Soon to be GE 62VR Owner I think, specifically this one. I'm at the vagaries of my Insurance company who decided to write off my Gigabyte P34wV3 which disintegrated it's hinge. They've given me a voucher, which covers most of it.

The one main question I have - Replacing my monitor 18 months ago, I bought a 144hz BenQ 2411z... My old laptop couldnt do anything much with it, as it was HDMI/VGA only. I assume that even the 3GB 1060 with a mini DP to DVI adapter should cope reasonably well?

Slight concern about only having 3 GB on the grapics card, same as my 970m in the old machine. But this looks pretty decent all round. I missed not having a DVD writer.

EDIT:- I'll answer my own question. I needn't have worried , it copes with all I throw at it. Just waiting for a Mini-DP to DVI adapter to really make use of my 144Hz BenQ monitor.

As usual, de-bloated and uninstalled what I dont need. In the daylight I am going to open it up and replace the 3160 wifi with my 8265.

Need to save pennies for a bigger M2 drive - I have a 256 GB 840 evo (on its way to me from the insurers, after they fish it out of my P34w) as my spare, but it is slower than the 128 GB Toshiba unit already installed, so won't be swapping it in.

 

Do you know if its possible to lube this laptop fans? I tried to pop out the fan wheel like in this video:
and many others, but I couldnt. I applied medium strenght but couldnt pop them out. Has anyone been successful with this?

 

Hiya, anyone know the quality of the thermal paste they put into the ge62 7re? I've noticed that the CPU tends to get a little hot for my liking, even with an aggressive fan curve, unless I undervolt it(even then I have to decrease some of the amps going to the uncore and the like), the GPU also tends to get oddly toasty. So I'm wondering if it's just the general cooling of the thing or the paste.

Thanks!

 

Without disclosing your actual temps, it is difficult to respond. However factory thermal pasting is never as good as using quality pastes or LM.

 

At load the GPU can get up to the mid 60s in spite of the fan going up to 140%(unbearably loud since my headphones broke) speed and the CPU can hit the 70s easily. At the auto fan curve the CPU hits 80 and the GPU hits the 70s. The GPU when overclocked doesn't change in temp much, 1050s, ya know?

With a rather extreme undervolt(-125 volts as anything less crashes in P95, and -10amps on the processor core ICC-Max) it hits 75 at most(again, auto fan). With the aggressive fan it only gets to 70 at most(with the GPU stuck at 63).

Testing done in some of the early levels in Prey.

 

Those temps are excellent...why are you concerned??

 

Because the only real way to get said good temps is to undervolt the **** out of the processor and turn up the fans to a silly point?

 

So give us your temps without undervolt. There is no silly point to the fans, they harder you push your machine, the faster they will rotate to do their job.

You didn't buy a laptop with a U CPU, or integrated GPU...you have to expect what you have needs to be cooled.

 

I... did. I did in fact give those temps.

I wouldn't expect the CPU to hit 80 when it's at 30% load.

 

Nope but if it is anywhere near my Gigabyte P34W v3 it is probably on the crap side. This is my old laptop after just 2 years (and just out of warranty) but still on the original factory paste. As you can see they've used far too much. The temps were getting so hot I couldn't use the keyboard in any sort of comfort and this was with it on a cooling stand.



(sorry for blurry image.)

Some IC7 diamond sorted things very well and reduced temps a good bit. (I need to find it again lol)

I am still in the process of getting my ge62 7rf sorted out. One of the jobs is to do the paste again but since I have only had it 3 weeks, I am going to leave it until last. I would like to think that heat and cooling have improved particularly in terms of the 10 series Nvidia chips, my 970m in that laptop could get pretty warm.

Watching with interest....

 

Hi guys, I'd like to ask if someone solved the freezing issue on MSI GE62 2QF ?
Lot of people complain about random freezing because while gameing and it looks like being a common issue.
I have win10.1 x64, all drivers up to date (including bios and firmware).. but from time to time I get a nice freeze.
I've read that the problem could be the intel cpu 5th generation.
Please let me know if you solved this.
thanks

 

This ? https://liliputing.com/2016/01/inte...d-freeze-computers-under-some-conditions.html

I would put in a support ticket with MSI and ask if they have implemented the patch from Intel to stop the freezing. That's the only way to eradicate the problem, with a BIOS update. Intel have fixed it but it is down to MSI to implement it in BIOS.

 

I was talking about Intel's 5th generation Broadwell...
I could give it a try with a ticket to their support.

 

Ah yes sorry, I missed that. Googling hasn't brought up much, but my advice would be the same. As you say, ask MSI then Intel....

 

Just experienced something weird. I booted the laptop a couple hours ago and all was going well, but about 20 minutes ago I noticed that the power LED was orange (using nVidia GPU) instead of blue (integrated GPU). All I had open was my browser and had previously watched a few youtube videos. The laptop always uses the integrated GPU on browsing/videos/youtube/etc. I don't know how long the LED was orange but I generally notice if it changes when I'm using the laptop (e.g. opening a game, or even locking/unlocking the desktop during which the LED changes for a second to orange then back to blue).

I closed Firefox and checked if anything else was open in task manager. LED still orange. Opened Dragon Center to verify nVidia GPU was active (965m was ~43 deg C and CPU was high 50s w/ fans at 3000 rpm, then a moment later CPU temp dropped to high 40s). I put the laptop to sleep and woke it up after 30 secs or so. The power LED changed a couple times between blue/orange but it settled on orange once I was logged in.

I was able to open the nVidia and Intel control panels, but since I haven't changed any settings or drivers I wasn't sure what the hell was going on. So, I rebooted. During boot the GPU switched a few times, as it usually does, but once it reached the login screen the LED was blue. After ~30 minutes it seems everything is back to normal. Tested playing videos, opening a couple programs, etc. and the laptop is not getting "stuck" on the 965m GPU.

Has anyone experienced this before? I hadn't until today, after almost one year of using the laptop. Not sure if it was a driver bug or if this is any sign of a failing integrated GPU. The laptop is in a cool place with a cooling pad underneath as well. I don't know if the GPU would ever switch from integrated to discrete if the CPU temp was too high. The laptop seems to let CPU hit mid-high 50s before it turns on fans, but again I've never seen it default to the nVidia GPU.

 

The integrated GPU can't fail. It's part of the CPU.
You either ran into a EC bug, a Bios bug or a driver bug. Optimus systems can have all sorts of problems.

Even the ones with the Mux/Muxless switch to switch between iGPU and dGPU to have the other deactivated have bugs. Having the dGPU PEG port set to "Auto" causes a black screen when you do a 'warm' reset, switch to iGPU and then switch back to dGPU. The only way to recover without clearing the CMOS (power button pressed +45 seconds) is to blind switch to the iGPU (once you know the alt tab and space bar key strokes) and trigger the "bug" again while in the Bios, or load Bios defaults.

This absolute silly bug is avoided by changing the PEG port from "Auto" to "Enabled." This still keeps the dGPU disabled when the iGPU is active.
The problem is, you can't access the PEG port options without the unlocked Bios...

catch 22.. :/

 

Thanks for your response. It was just such a weird thing to happen. I know Optimus can have all kinds of issues but thankfully hadn't had too much trouble with it so far, if this was a driver bug.

My GE62 2QE has had a few other odd behaviors. A few times coming out of sleep, the speaker volume has been quite low as if it's in the power-saving mode when on battery despite being plugged in. A reboot fixes that, but it hasn't happened in maybe 5-6 months.

An average of about every 4-5 weeks, coming out of sleep the bluetooth device will fail (I keep BT off but check Event Viewer after every wake). If that happens the Fn+F6 combo for turning on the webcam doesn't work as well. Disabling/enabling the Bluetooth device in device manager remedies the issue. Probably another driver bug.

The worst thing was about 5 months ago I left the laptop idle for 20-30 minutes after locking it. When I came back the screen backlight was on but I couldn't get anything to show, as if the GPU had failed or something. Had no choice but to reboot, and after logging in I realized that the Intel GPU drivers had somehow been removed (screen was max brightness, couldn't adjust, sleep not available, etc.) along with the Realtek audio drivers (tray icon missing, gone from control panel). All I could find in Event Viewer was that one minute after locking the PC, at which the screen always turns off, the Desktop Windows Manager process had seemingly crashed and took those two drivers with it. Thankfully a system restore fixed everything and that hasn't happened since, but again just a really strange (and scary) thing.

Overall I like the laptop quite a bit, aside from having some anxiety about these various weird issues that pop up every now and then. My biggest concern is the fan "curve" which is more of a step function and seems terrible. On my previous laptop (Acer 4820TG) the fans would run at a low speed in the 40s, which helped keep temps moderate under light use. I don't like how the GE62 fans go straight from idle to 3000rpm when the CPU hits near 60 C. Maybe MSI does that to minimize wear and tear with the fans, but I'd rather have a more gradual fan curve that prevents the temp from rising under basic use. That lingering heat just spreads throughout the rest of the interior and especially to the HDD.

 

Yeah it sucks when things suddenly go haywire like that, and sometimes it's Bios settings, sometimes it's some wonky EC setting, and sometimes it's an interaction between the Bios and windows, and then bam: something disappears. No one ever wants to have to go through that, and it's unfortunate that it happens. Usually these problems are with software itself, and just buggy drivers, but not always.

But how do you think the people feel about the "Mux" switch, causing black screens after warm resets or after loading saved profiles from the Bios, due to the bugged Peg port 1 "Auto" setting? People didn't know how to reset the CMOS for awhile, so they had to RMA their laptops over a silly Bios bug. A bug that was "addressed" but still occurs, as the ROOT CAUSE of it was never fixed, just ONE symptom of it (meaning: MSI did not even know why it was occurring).

That's bad.

And that's what happens when you hide Bios options from people.

 

I didn't know about that issue with the Mux switch and warm resets, but as you said these things always stink for whomever experiences them. :/ PC issues are no fun. I agree it's also bad form when the user can't access certain settings that would fix the type of issue you described.

I use the laptop every day for a few hours before putting it to sleep, and about every two weeks I shut it down. Overall it works very well, except for these random freak occurrences. Hadn't had a major issue in 5 months. Thankfully this one just needed a reboot but now whenever I'm using the laptop my eyes will constantly be looking at the power LED (as I check other things every day like the volume after wake, event viewer, bluetooth device error, making sure the screen turns off one-minute after lock, etc.). The anxiety from all these issues, little or big, can really add up. :/

Part of me is starting to wonder if today's issue with the Intel GPU suddenly not being active and the other issue from 5 months ago with the Intel + Realtek drivers disappearing have the same root cause. At the very least the Intel GPU was involved both times - perhaps the EC could be responsible, but I really have no idea. It's so strange that drivers would get uninstalled like that.

This machine came with so much bloat and pre-installed garbage I can't help but think a software/driver bug is more likely (and maybe more preferable/manageable compared to some kind of BIOS or EC issue).

 

Use the "Dragon Center" application and go to the system tuner tab. Go to advanced then you can set your fan curve.

 

I don't have a system tuner tab in my Dragon Gaming Center, probably due to using the version that came with the laptop (v1.0.1410.1301) and not updating it. Maybe I'll give a newer version a spin - thanks for the heads up.

I've also found another MSI utility called Silent Option. Might try that, too.

 

No problem. There's an overclocking utility for GPUs in there as well but it's rather limited, +250 on the memory clock and +150 on the core.

 

Mine does a bit more - latest version of Dragoncenter 1.2.1707.501

But this might be to do with GPU architecture.... *shrugs*

 

Quite possibly. Doubt that VRAM is stable at that level though.

 

Well I put that OC on while gaming. No issues yet.

 

Huh, you have some damn good luck with that silicon. Wonder how much father you can push it with afterburner.

 

Well, google tells me that

1060 desktop Core clock is 1506
1060 desktop Boost clock 1709

M core is 1404
M Boost 1670

I'm guessing that the Boost figures in Dragon center push the mobile clock rates to just a bit more than their desktop equivalents. I cant see it being particularly stressful. Not pushing it much further as I need the machine to last me a few years

 

It's a myth that OCing can lead to degradation. I mean, it can, but only if you push the voltage too high.

 

Regardless - I went from a 4th gen i7 to the 7th gen, and an 970m to the 1060 here, so its a pretty huge increase already. Not complaining too much performance wise. Undervolted cpu and it runs nice and cool too. Will eventually repaste but not bothered atm.

 

Hey y'all! So I've had my GE62-2QE for about 2 years now. Super happy with it overall. I bought a 250 GB Samsung 960 EVO M.2 SSD this week and am planning to install it. Over the course of 2 years, my laptop's been getting slower and slower. I guess this isn't out of the ordinary for Windows machines (I've had this trend on most other computers I've owned). I'm planning on doing a clean install on the SSD. The plan is to nuke the HDD and install the OS (I'm using Win10) and the programs I use most frequently on the SSD. Everything I don't use as much can go on to the HDD.

My question is this: Has anyone done a clean install like this here? Is there any advice I should be heeding? I have images of the recovery discs (I will need to buy DVDs to burn these images to unless there's a way to do this with a USB stick - is this possible?). Are there any useful mods, etc. I should look into?

 

You do not need to nuke the HDD.

 

Clean install will require extra time to load drivers and applications and this may take long time. You can do this with a clean MS Win10 image, which is downloadable from MS. Latest drivers & utilities can be obtained from MSI's product support page.
Since you have the ISO of recovery discs you will need to use DVD drive to restore the OS to your SSD. It's do-able with USB flash drive but this requires the use of Microsoft deployment tools to merge image files as well as time/efforts to achieve this goal.

 

@AkshayRao27

I would build W10 stock and then add back in the things you need, get the downloads from "your MSI Support Page". By all means have a copy of the backup (I do, as a "Just in case") I've got the images but don't plan on using them. When I ripped all the unnecessary things out my 7RF Apache Pro, the machine became much snappier. Turning off a lot of windows 10 things help too.

I followed some of the instructions in this video with my laptop "nearly new" at 2 weeks old.

- First things to do on a new W10 laptop. It caught my attention because this guy has an MSI.

Then do this to save yourself grief.

How to Disable Automatic Driver Downloads on Windows 10

This video gave me some more tips.

How to Optimize Windows 10 For GAMING & Performance The Ultimate GUIDE - YouTube


Not mine at all but there is plenty of handy stuff.

Make sure your bios and EC firmware is up to date. If you open the machine, clear dust from fans. This can be a real killer for the fans and performance as it can cause heat increases which will slow the machine down, lower performance and generally not be a fun time and make it feel sluggish as you describe.



^^ This was my gigabyte P34 after 2 years on the stock 'factory' thermal paste.
It was getting so hot I could not type. Repasting the CPU and GPU made a huge difference to temperature levels. Your thermal Paste will probably have deteriorated like mine did. It got much cooler once I did the paste again and performance improved dramatically (and I was using an msata ssd)

Lastly, there is a thread here you should subscribe to : MSI GT73VR 7RF TITAN PRO Drivers | NotebookReview

Not the same machine, but the poster helpfully updates when MSI/Nvidia or whoever release newer versions of the driver. - these might be newer than what is on your support page, that's ok!

The fresh build and with a new lean set up you will notice the difference - I did and can't recommend it more highly. Dump things you don't REALLY need from your build. Whether MSI or W10.

 

What do you mean? I'm trying to say I'll format the HDD and start off with a clean Win10 install on my SSD. Why would I keep the Windows on my HDD intact?

Yes, I understand this. I'm planning to download all the drivers and stuff from MSI (the links in the first post are super helpful). I don't mind that it will take time and / effort to do this. I've done it before and I know what a colossal pain it can be haha! Thanks for the advice

 

Thank you so much for this! It was EXACTLY what I was looking for! I will do some research now and order some thermal paste as well

It sucks that there isn't some sort of a utility that scans all your drivers for updates. My ancient Dell N4110 had one and it was super convenient!

 

You're welcome
There was such an utility On My Gigabyte too, but MSI is a bit more complicated. Only install what you NEED.


If you want to go really squeezy hardcore optimised W10 install see this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/nbr-windows-10-clean-installation-guide.781178/

If you need help shout, either here or PM's I'll do what I can - advice etc. With a bit of work you can make a significant improvement.

 

Perfect. I'll have a look there. I'm planning to order some thermal paste tomorrow. Thinking of going for the Arctic MX4 as people seem to be saying good things about it. Got any experience with the stuff?

 

No sorry, although Arctic Silver 5 was my go-to paste. Along with just about everyone MX4 should be fine for you, I've seen the reviews too.

For fixing the paste aberration on my previous Gigabyte laptop above, I decided to try IC 7 Diamond.
It worked quite well and I've still got some left over, so when I feel the urge to repaste this MSI I will use that again.

 

All right. I just ordered the MX-4 and their cleaning kit. Will post back once I've set everything up!

Where should I get the latest BIOS and EC versions from? The MSI support page for my machine (GE62 2QE Apache Pro) has BIOS version E16J1IMS.113 from 2016-05-09 and Firmware version
16J1EMS1.506 from 2015-05-15. Is it possible that the last update was from over a year ago? Hard to believe really...