MSI GS43VR Phantom Pro's Owner's Lounge

Yup that's where I confirmed the CPU spikes, in the task manager. one time there was a process related to dragon center which was using almost 40% of the CPU so I disabled that at startup and I still see the same performance.

Thanks for your reply

 

In the Dragon Center under the "System Tuner" tab, have you tried disabling Xboost options for "USB Boost" and "Storage Boost"? It was recently discovered that these settings unnecessarily trick the CPU into a higher load for "performance" reasons, and that this is the cause of the 100%-CPU-bug that many new MSI owners are experiencing.

 

Kevin, it turns out you don't need to completely uninstall MSI Dragon Center, just disable some options, shown here starting at 4:00 with an image of what to disable at 4:47.

In MSI Dragon Center,disable the XBoost USB and Storage options (4:47)

 

@Prototime , you are amazing! I feel like such a dummy because after i read your reply post, i mistakenly clicked on the wrong page in this thread and found the post you put up just recently about the 100% CPU usage bug!! Sorry, but thank you very much for you help! I just made the change on my machine, haven't restarted yet (not sure if i need to in order to fully apply or not) but I ran a disk cleanup and installed a game in steam just as i had yesterday, to test and even though the CPU usage spiked up to 100% it was only for a few seconds and then it lowered back down to the 20s and its been there for a while. I haven't seen it this consistently low at all since i got the laptop so changing those settings must have helped or done the trick completely. Hoping there's a BIOS update soon just to optimize the hardware in general but this will definitely help for now. its always the most insignificant or forgotten setting that causes the biggest headaches!

 

Yup, I thought that's what it was but wanted him to make sure first, thank you.

 

I have had a little bit of luck, they told me to use DDU to uninstall my nvidia drivers, and then reinstall them, I used stock drivers and there was a increase in performance within the game, not to the level of smooth 60FPS on max though. But no drops down to 40 and then 48fps. Which drivers are you running? The ones that came with the computer of just the newest ones of the nvidia homepage?

 

I've generally been downloading the newest drivers from nvidia. I'm currently using GeForce Driver 373.06.

 

I think, most of users here use the latest and greatest from Nvidia directly.

 

Were you able to figure this out or talk to MSI about it ?
I'm waiting for my refund before I consider giving this laptop a third chance, so I'm still following this thread closely for any other problems it might have

 

The issue is still occurring and I haven't had a chance to contact MSI support about it yet. I'll report back should I figure anything out. (Personally though, I wouldn't make this a deciding factor in whether to buy the laptop, since it's not a problem with the laptop per se but with a piece of software, and there are other software tools available for overclocking.)

 

Got my refund today. Yea I think you're right. I really hate how much I like this laptop if it wasn't for my bad luck with it.
I'm going to spend another day looking around, and if nothing else looks good, I'll probably order the GS43 from Prostar (which hopefully has better QA process as you mentioned), with these upgrades:
- 512 GB M.2 SanDisk x400 (instead of the 128GB)
- Remove the HDD (-40$) to save some money and weight
- IC diamond compound for CPU + GPU
- Intel 8620 wifi instead of Killer

 

Anyone else having problems with the keys leaving marks on the screen?

 

They included a cloth to put over the keys to prevent it, are you not using it?

 

Wow really, didn't get that it was for that. Guess I'll have to find it somehow! Hope I didnt throw it away...

 

Careful also how it is being packed. The friction in the hinge holding the lid shut on a laptop is insufficient to cause the keys to mark the screen, but pressure to the lid can do it, and it doesn't take a terribly high pressure on thinner lid/panel assemblies. Smaller systems are commonly packed with a bunch of other stuff in a case like books or the AC adapter, if they're packed tight or pressed during transit this can be enough pressure to cause contact/marking.

 

You shouldn't have to use the cloth for normal use. That's usually just for shipping and packaging. Does everyone's GS43VR keyboard touch the screen? Disappointing if so.

 

Some people actually use a better mat in between to avoid a direct contact between the screen and keyboard because of the imprinting issue.
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I always use the keyboard/screen cloth that the laptop came with, and make my own if it didn't come with one that is long lasting.

The Key edges can make contact if there is any flex to the screen, and you pack things in your backpack that weigh against the screen / laptop while moving around they will push the key's into the screen.

No matter how careful you are, the cloth between the keys and the screen keeps marring the screen to a minimum - get a thicker cloth if yours is thin.

 

I used a portable mouse pad for a few years, it was a flimsy mouse pad and with the rubber side down it protected the screen while having it in an extremely convenient place.

 

I've contacted MSI support about how the MSI Dragon Center's Sport mode has no longer been auto-overclocking ever since the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. Hopefully they will legitimately address the concern. I'll keep everyone posted.

@whirledpeas - Any luck with finding a program other than the MSI Dragon Center to control the fans? Did you check out Svett's tool?

@stekorghif - Have you come to a decision yet on whether the third time's a charm?

@ emppill - If it's any consolation, I didn't realize that about the cloth either... now I'll use mine to prevent the key imprinting. Thanks for pointing this out, @Jeff Flowerday.

And while I'm pinging people, @PMF - Have you just bought a GS43VR yet already?

 

Haha not yet, still getting over the bad experiences, and considering whether I should wait for something else or not. I've waited so long already, what's an extra couple of weeks

 

No sir I have pretty much decided against it, since if I had been close to getting it, I would have a long time ago! I still think it is a solid option, though the occasional scary story on here probably did help postpone that decision.

The option scope is basically Aorus X3, X5 (only if the 1080p 120hz finally arrives), Alienware 13 (OLED) and if possibly something new arrives (e.g. new Gigabyte AERO, or updated MSI GS3X with docking station).

Aorus has delayed its products again and again and again. The first ones have finally trickled in, and the X3 is due 1st Nov (according to Newegg - though that's changed in the past). The X3 is probably the most balanced solution for my needs, noise should be fine, it's roughly the same weight as the GS43, and for the extra $500 you get a 512GB SSD, the 6820HK CPU and (arguably) a nicer screen. There is meant to be a bigger 9X Whr battery option, but I'm not seeing it - would be a nice plus though. You lose the TB3 vs. the GS43 which isn't good. The X5 I've pretty much ruled out - the noise according to the NBC review is just outrageous, and the battery life seems very low too.

I have a very good idea of what the AW13 has in store, and the biggest downside is that it is expected to be over 5lbs, putting it in the slim 1070 weight class. However, with the graphics amp now selling for very cheap, and if an OLED screen is an option, it might still be a good option.

In terms of new stuff, the AERO I don't think will be a good option - I have a feeling they will stick a 1050 in there. Too much of a compromise on the graphics front. If they plan to stick a 1060 in there, I don't know why they still haven't released it If MSI release a GS3X with a 1050 but a graphics dock, that will definitely be worth considering, however the main decider for me will be if whether they go for the U CPUs or not. The GS30 had a full quad core which was great (but suffered on the battery front more than it should have for some reason), while the GS32 came with a dual-core U CPU, and that's a pretty strong bottleneck.

So that's me Life is pretty crazy right now, which has also dulled the need for a new machine to some extent. However, I can promise I will buy something in November

 

Ah, good for you but bad for us, as we won't have you contributing your thoughts on a GS43VR to our owner's lounge! Not that I blame you - if you can afford to wait and have the patience for it, it makes much more sense to do so than do what I did and jump on laptop so early. In my case it's worked out though; I fortunately got a GS43VR that's in good order and that meets my needs better than any other laptop that's come out or is about to come out. I really don't want a 13" laptop, and I suppose I could settle for a 15", but 14" is truly the sweet spot for me, and there isn't much in the way of 14" gaming notebooks out there--Alienware has nothing, I wouldn't get the upcoming Razer because it's probably going to overheat and be seriously overpriced, the Gigabyte's new Aero is probably either going to have heating or build issues with a 1060 or they'll slap a 1050 in there like you say, and Clevo has announced nothing. The only option that gave me pause after buying the GS43VR was the Aorus X3, as it looks pretty great (despite the weirdly-sized 13.9" screen), but not after I saw its price ($500 extra for the Aorus X3 compared to the GS43VR doesn't seem worth it, especially since I don't need a stronger CPU). So that leaves me with the GS43VR - I suppose I lucked out in that I bought something that meets my needs early on, and other companies haven't been able to top it, and possibly won't at this point (at least not until the next generation of GPUs).

Anyway, let us know what you end up getting so we can see how it stacks up against the GS43VR

 

As far as I'm concerned we are all in the thin and light gaming fan camp I keep this thread open at all times! I hope to actually add some value to the GS43 owners (and prospective owners) both by comparing and contrasting and by highlighting if we have any common issues (e.g. the auto-overclock stuff, is that MSI specific? etc).

I'm ok with 13" and 14", cause 13.3" (AW), 13.9" (Aorus), 14" (GS43, Blade) honestly I don't feel makes any real difference. I think 15" is borderline too big, and the interesting thing I've found comparing all these models is that oftentimes despite the same screen the actual unit size still varies a lot. I went to the ASUS GL502 in-store for example, and the thing is HUGE.

As for Razer, yup, lol, forgot to even list them. I am considering it also, though I don't think it makes the top of my list. Again, too loud plus possibly throttling. People have already received the first units so I'm eagerly awaiting a full review.

On the loudness note, I'm surprised that the NBC review has the GS43 at minimum 50db under loud, that is louder than Aorus X3, X5, Razer Blade... The peak of 51.5db however is actually lower than all of them. So it's pretty hard to figure out what that really means in real life.

Edit: as for the $500 between GS43 and Aorus, I think it's a reasonable markup. The SSD alone accounts for 200-300 difference depending on the SSD model and the CPU and the screen are bound to cover almost all of the rest. I'm OK with it

Edit2: They've pre-populated the AW13 page with a little more meat now in case anyone is interested:
http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/alienware-13-laptop

 

hellow all,

my first post here:
so, after reading a lot of review of this MSI GS43VR I bought it last week and since then trying to fix the stutter problem. I did a clean Windows 10 install and updated to the latest version but the stutter remained. then I tried an earlier version of Windows 10 then the stutter was gone but then the problem was I could not able to install driver for the video card (i tried driver both from MSI site and geforce site), it said the driver is not compatible to that version of the windows. could you put some light on it? now I am thinking of installing windows 7 but cant find drivers compatible for windows 7, in MSI site it only shows drivers for Windows 10. someone already mentioned about using windows 7, so where can i find drivers for windows 7? thanks a lot for your time!

 

What is it like gaming on a 14 inch monitor?

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Thanks! I am gonna try it. Could you please tell where you've found drivers for windows 7?

 

If that has a full quad core cpu. I will prob cancel my AW15 based on the fact I never wanted a 15" and I know it's huge. I just won't realise how huge. My largest laptops was 360mm wide. And my bro has one. It's pretty big but it's ok where as the AW15 is bigger at 390mm and depth. It's basically big as old 17" laptops which is defo a big no no for me. I've got time on my side to cancel. At least 10 days. I'll see. But I'll be giving up a 1070 and 4K igzo screen.


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Most of the drivers on the MSI site are compatible with both Windows 7 and 10. The only ones you need to worry about are the Intel VGA, Nvidia, and Killer wireless drivers. But those three are very easy to find on their company's respective sites.

I installed Windows 7 from the very start and didn't have any problem getting it to work.

 

@PMF - I'm glad to hear you'll still be hanging around these parts with some comparisons! I'll be interested to see what you end up buying. Interesting info on the AW13. If you come across any more details on laptops in the small/light/thin category in the meantime, do share

The GS43VR is my first gaming notebook, so I don't have much of a comparison (other than playing the 1990s games Tie Fighter and Dark Forces on a 15" monitor years ago). But for me it's fine, and the screen is gorgeous. When I play at my desk, I keep my GS43VR propped up on a laptop stand, and have that laptop stand itself on top of a box, so my screen is up at eye level and the experience is immersive. (That does mean the keyboard/mousepad are too high up to be practical, so I use a wireless keyboard and mouse on a keyboard shelf attached to the bottom of my desk, or a controller.) I used to game like this at my desk more, but ever since I bought a new 40" 4K television, I have preferred gaming while using that as an external display - I prefer gaming on a TV generally, at least for games that are controller-friendly, but that's just me. (I'm going to get Civ VI soon, and will probably game on that at my desk using the internal display since it's optimized as keyboard/mouse-friendly.) Overall though, I'd rank the experience has gaming on the GS43VR's 14" screen as great.

@slipoftongue - Have you seen the post quoted below? It has a number of different ways that various users have solved their micro-stutter issues other than installing Windows 7, in case you're interested in trying multiple approaches.

 

It definitely will have a quad core and a 1060, this has been confirmed in multiple places now, however I can't tell you how wide it is. The website of the 13 says 390mm but that is clearly a mistake (same as 15). The GS43 is 345mm wide, 245mm deep, the AW13 should be narrower given the slightly smaller screen. However the AW13 is going to be 259mm deep, meaning deeper than the GS43 despite the smaller screen. This is a consequence of the hinge-forward design, the heatsinks in the back, which seems to be a design heavily borrowed from the Aorus. The Aorus X3, for reference, is 330mm wide and 263.5mm deep. They are also almost the same thickness. If someone told me that the Aorus X3 and AW13 are built at the same factory, I would not be surprised... It really is amazing though, how different dimensions can be with the same screen size.

There are also other mistakes on the AW13 site like it saying 5lbs and 2kg, which should either be 4.4lbs and 2kg or 5lbs and 2.3kg, etc etc.

If I was going for a AW15, it'd definitely be the one with the 120hz screen, I've been wanting to try that for a while. It's also why I briefly considered the Aorus X5 but noise killed it.

Totally, this thread is awesome and is probably the largest concentration of both us thin and light fans and great tips and insights I checked out the Razer forums, man, the level of tech literacy there is shockingly low. Aorus forums are pretty dead.

 

Hey, I was having an issue that maybe you guys can help me with. Every time I put the computer to sleep, such as when I close the lid, and open it back up, I get a black screen. I can see the mouse pointer, and it moves, but the screen is black.

Any idea if this is a setting or driver issue? I don't remember having this problem before, so just curious why it's happening.

I have the newest Nvidia drivers.

 

Does Alt-Tab bring up anything?

You could switch to an app to see if it redraws.

If you are stuck you could do a CTL-ALT-DEL, and start Task Manager to switch to an app or start a new one, and if that doesn't work - log out, then log back in.

 

Nothing comes up, it's just a dark screen with the mouse pointer.

 

If you are on Windows 10 there have been many reports of black screen on boot and back from sleep, google for Windows 10 black screen .

Those problems on Windows 8.x were supposed to have been solved, but if you are on Windows 8, google for Windows 8 black screen .

 

thanks a lot for the reply! now, I almost installed windows 7 ultimate 64bit (after doing the gpt partition fix), and during the installation after the first re-start when installation was updating registry, it crashed and since then it is showing 'blue screen of death'. the bootable usb drive is not booting now, so not being able to do anything to solve this issue. I can access the bios though. dont know what to do now, I live far from USA where I bought it from, so it would be difficult to claim the warranty. so frustrating!

 

thanks a lot for bringing those posts up again! actually I tried all of them. for me stutter starts as soon as I update windows 10 to anniversary version, even before installing any application (touchpad etc.). thats why I am thinking of windows 7. and now I getting blue screen of death after almost completing windows 7 installation. and now the bootable usb stick dont boot either!

 

You don't think the aw13 will be loud like the x3? Is the gs43 the only 14 or under that houses a 1060 and a quad core without throttling and not super loud?

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Considering the size of the AW13 compared to other 13" laptops, it should be relatively quieter and cooler. But until it launches properly, the GS43VR is your best bet for 14" and under.

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I did notice it said the AW13 was massive as it's the same size the AW15 I ordered which I did take into consideration before ordering (some consideration! I'm going to cancel cos it's too big but only cos the AW13 is has full quad)
I had to look up the previous gen AW13. Its about 325mm. So I predict it will be between 330-340mm. It's pretty deep but like you say the back is longer but the screen sits closer. Like the aorus. I'd of ordered the x3. But not at £1800 although the spec is good. But spec the AW13 similar once I've done my own upgrades and aftermarket upgrades for cheaper me thinks.
I would of considered the gs43 if it was cheaper. Plus I want to try bigger than 1080p and the games I play can handle qhd and no card can qhd on ultra anyway so me Toning the settings down is no different than stronger cards. I think at this price point I'm entitled to feel like I'm getting more of an "upgrade" from what I've got other than cpu and gpu.


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Hi guys.
I've got GS40 6QD and i'm very proud of this machine.
Unfortenly in Mafia III on 1600x900 on low i've got 35-45FPS it's time for change.

I'm thinking about buying GS43VR and razer core I'm thinking it should be enought to half next year.
Then i will buy new generation descop card and connetct with razer core this with 6700hq and 32gb dd4 should be enought for next 2 years what do You thinking?

Or i can buy GT62VR with 1070 but for how long it fill be fine in fhd (1080p)? For year or two?
More futer is in gs43vr + blast core
I've must change my gs40 its already sold.
14 inch is the best for me.. this mobility is great.
I can buy a 15 inch laptop but.. GT62VR don't have tb3. So i see less future in him.

 

Look at the Eurocom Tornado F5 (MSI 16L13) - it is a barebones based on the MSI GT62VR, and has a desktop socketed processor, a 1070, TB3. Ask @Diversion and @Talon about it - they own it. Also ask @hmscott - he is very knowledgeable, very nice and very helpful.

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Hello guys,

I've decided to buy the MSI GS43VR because of it's size (very light and portable) and it's components.
However I have a couple of questions about the laptop:

1- Any of you guys uses the laptop as a desktop? Plugged to a monitor, keyboard and mouse? I want a gaming laptop because I travel for work, but when I will be home I want it to use it as a desktop replacement, using a 22-24 inches screen. Will it be any issue for long gaming sessions? What about the screen resolution?

2- I don't have any rush for buying it, do you think there would be a good deal for buying it? Right now it is 10% off at cukusa. What about Black Friday/Cyber Monday? or do you think there would be a better deal at Christmas?

Thank you guys!

 

I heard back from MSI support on the issue of Sport mode in the Dragon Center no longer auto-overclocking, and they said to uninstall the Dragon Center, restart, and reinstall the Dragon Center. Unsurprisingly, this did not fix the issue, and I'm waiting to hear their next response. I'll keep everyone posted.

When I'm at my desk, I have my GS43VR propped up on a laptop stand and use a wireless keyboard and mouse, and it works great. I also regularly plug my GS43VR into my television to game on it, and that's enjoyable as well. I don't see any reason why it'd be a problem for you to use a GS43VR external monitor/keyboard/mouse while at home. In fact, gaming on an external display might even be preferable. One of the nice perks of the GS43VR is that its HDMI and Mini DisplayPort ports are connected directly to the GTX 1060, meaning that you can connect an external display that supports Gysnc (the internal display doesn't support Gysnc) so you don't have to worry about screen tearing, and that you're less likely to have micro-stuttering issues while gaming. Be warned though that the HDMI port supports only HDMI 1.4, not HDMI 2.0. So if you want to take advantage of a monitor that supports 4K resolution at 60hz, either connect the GS43VR to it using a Mini DisplayPort 1.2 cable, or connect it using both a High-Speed HDMI 2.0 cable and also an Active Mini DisplayPort 1.2 to HDMI 2.0 Adapter. The adapter is relatively inexpensive: https://www.amazon.com/Club3D-Displayport-1-2-HDMI-CAC-1070/dp/B017BQCUGW?th=1

That said, I wouldn't recommend gaming at 4K resolution - the GTX 1060 can't handle that resolution well at all. I game at 1080p, which allows me to max out almost all settings on modern games, and I'm pleased with it both when gaming on the internal display and an external display. As I mentioned, I often game on my 4K television, but I do so at 1080p resolution. The results are still fantastic; since the number of pixels in a 4K resolution is evenly divisible by the number of pixels in a 1080p resolution, there's no detail that's really lost. The GTX 1060 should also be able to support gaming at 1440p resolution so long as you don't max out all of the settings, but I don't have any personal experience gaming at that resolution.

 

Thank you for your quick response! I'm not planning to game at 4K, I was just wondering if playing at 1080p would look good in an external monitor or TV.

If you don't mind asking you a couple more questions... I've read the laptop can be very noise, that is fine with me because most of the time I'm wearing a headset so I guess I won't even notice. But I'm more concerned about the heat issues, I usually use a standard laptop stand cooler, will that be enough? Can it get very hot if I game when on my lap?

Thanks again!

 

Hi @Prototime,

No, I haven't had much time to research for another program to control the fans yet. Would be nice to have a simple program which can probe the temperature and control the GS43VR fans though. But I have been playing with another tool called RadeonPro to ease my frustration of not having a G-Sync internal display. On contrary to what the name may suggest, it DOES support Nvidia GPUs to a great extend (90% of its features work in my experience).

Having a G-Sync display makes a difference when gaming, specially when the FPS is below your display's refresh rate (e.g. 60 FPS). It removes tearing and stuttering with minimal input lag. I have to use RadeonPro with V-Sync Always On (to get rid of tearing at any FPS), Triple-Buffering On (to prevent harsh V-Sync FPS drop/stutter when FPS can't reach 60), and set Dynamic Frame Control (DFC) to 60 FPS (to minimize input lag) to get close to the G-Sync experience. It's still not the same experience since V-Sync introduces some input lag although RadeonPro's DFC feature can suppress it.

One other benefit of running RadeonPro is Dynamic V-Sync, which is like Nvidia's Adaptive V-Sync that turns V-Sync On when the FPS goes above the display's refresh rate and turns V-Sync Off when FPS goes below the refresh rate. Nvidia fails to make Adaptive V-Sync work on mobile Pascal GPUs (it's not even an option from its control panel) so this is the only tool I find which can bring this feature back. However, Dynamic V-Sync doesn't prevent tearing when it turns V-Sync Off when the FPS is below 60 so I prefer the method above as it prevents tearing at any FPS. However, with V-Sync Off, you do get the least amount of input lag.

However, RadeonPro doesn't work on the new DX12 or Vulkan games and the developer has cease its development since November 2013. So having a G-Sync display is still better and more future proof.

Have you or anyone else researched about the Asus ROG GL502VM? Looks like it's very similar to the GS43VR on pretty much all aspects but it has a G-Sync display. Does it have any cons comparing to the GS43VR? Would be nice to hear the experience from someone who owns it or have played with it.

 

No problem. The laptop cools well even without a cooler. During heavy gaming sessions my GPU temps are in the 70s and CPU temps are in the 60s, and I don't use a cooler, just a metal mesh laptop stand (and that definitely does help -- I've noticed a 5 C difference when gaming on a flat wooden desk). I did have my reseller apply IC Diamond Thermal Compound to the CPU and GPU which helps, and you might want to consider that. (I also undervolted the CPU by a fair amount to lower temps, but the undervolt didn't change the temps much.) But even without that, these temps are similar to what other GS43VR owners have reporter. If you have a laptop cooler, I'm sure your GS43VR temps will be just fine. I don't have any experience gaming with the GS43VR on my lap, though, so I'm not sure how comfortable that is. (Non-gaming usage on the lap is fine.)

That's interesting about RadeonPro, I hadn't heard of it before - I may have to check it out. Bummer that it doesn't support DX12 though.

On my end, I haven't touched Dynamic Frame Control, but I've definitely been using Vsync to prevent screen tearing. I've read an article claiming that setting an FPS limit of Refresh Rate -1 will prevent the input lag issues associated with Vsync: http://mystrd.at/articles/v-sync-mouse-lag-how-to-fix-it/

I have no way to measure this precisely to confirm if it's true (and I'm a bit suspicious), but I've used MSI Rivatuner to limit the FSP to 59 while Vsync is on, and I haven't seen any screen tearing nor have I noticed any bothersome input lag. I also game with a controller though, and I've heard anecdotally from a couple people that input lag is lower when using a controller than when using a mouse - not sure how true this is either though, or why controller vs. mouse would make a difference.

But regardless, I feel your pain on the lack of G-sync - I'd rather not have scour the internet to find tricks or programs like RadeonPro just to try to mimic it. It'd be nice if nvidia could figure out a way to make Gsync and Optimus play nice together.

On your last question, are you already looking to replace your GS43VR? I haven't done too much research into the Asus ROG GL502VM because it's a bit big for my tastes (15.6") and heavier than ideal. And this isn't a deal breaker, but I also noticed that the RAM is upgradeable only to 24GB (vs. 32GB for GS43VR), so it's less future-proof. Still, overall the specs look really similar, and that G-sync display looks great! Would be curious to see how it handles battery life, and whether it has a MUX switch or not.

 

Update from MSI on the auto-overclocking malfunction with Sport mode in the MSI Dragon Center. They want me to wipe everything on my drives and perform a factory reset, and then perform Windows updates before installing anything, and then see if the issue is resolved. Yeah, no thanks. I have better things to do than backup and restore all of my data when I'm certain that the issue will persist. It's clearly a software bug with the Dragon Center that isn't unique to my system - I've told MSI Support repeatedly that I've talked to other GS43VR owners who have this same issue. Even if factory resetting would actually fix it (and I highly doubt it will), do they really expect all GS43VR owners to factory reset their computers just to get MSI's own software to work properly? No, they need to release a fix for this. Count me as pretty disappointed with MSI Support right now.

 

Eurocom Tornado f5 is noy possible for me.. I'm from poland and my budget is limited.

Only positions for me is:
GS43VR + razer core or
GT62VR also I'm consider Clevo SI 16L13

GS40 is perfect for me.. Keybord, Screen i love it.. only speakers.. but nobody is perfect.
Why they don't put gtx1070 to gs43vr .. it will be then perfect laptop.

 

Probably because the GTX 1070 will overheat in a 14" laptop. If you want a 14" laptop and the power of a GTX 1070, then your best option right now is to get a GS43VR or Aorus X3 or New Razer Blade 14 + Razer Core + GTX 1070 desktop GPU. These are all very expensive set ups, but it'll give you the power you want and the ability to upgrade GPUs in the future.