MSI GS43VR Phantom Pro's Owner's Lounge

I'm thinking the best choise over gt62vr will be buy GS43VR and razer core and after new generation of nvidia gtx 2000 series show up buy new card.
Is razor core much bottleneck deskop gpu?

Is much difference between gtx1080 deskop vs gtx1080 in razer core?
Is much differences in fps?

If i disable nvidia nvidia adapter on gs43vr if using on battery will expand time to discharche battery?

I'm only play on 1920x1080 but newer games will be more demanding and newer egpu will do the work for smooth play in hd on max settings.

 

You can save your time. I tried doing a clean install of Windows 10 and a few weeks ago and the Dragon software still gives me this issue after I installed the latest Windows 10 updates with no other software installed. So, that can pretty much conclude that the latest Windows 10 updates is most likely the cause and I doubt MSI will reach out to Microsoft to get it fixed. Plus, this auto-overclocking feature is probably unintended so they probably won't be interested in getting it fixed in the first place. I tried calling MSI support before and they didn't even know that this behavior exists so don't bother calling them. The real MSI tech/dev team is probably based in Taiwan anyway.

 

Thank you for that, @whirledpeas - since you already tried this, if you don't mind I will "borrow" your experience and let MSI know that this approach doesn't work, and see what their response is. Though I'm not holding my breath, especially if you already tried calling MSI Support and they have no clue what you're talking about.

The auto-overclocking feature of Sport mode is definitely intentional, though - MSI talks about it on their website in a couple places:

https://www.msi.com/blog/detail/need-more-fps-try-overclocking - a couple paragraphs in talks about how the MSI Gaming Center automatically overclocks the GPU (though doesn't mention Sport mode by name).

https://gaming.msi.com/article/power-saving-in-msi-notebooks - Actually, it looks like MSI just took this page down recently. It used to describe the different Shift modes (Sport, Comfort, Eco) available in the MSI Dragon Gaming CEnter, and it explicitly said that Sport mode overclocked the GPU. I can't find a cached version of this page that works either. This is pretty frustrating, as this was the only description of the different Shift modes I could find whatsoever. From my memory, the page said that Sport mode overclocks the GPU, Comfort mode doesn't but still allows the CPU to boost, and Eco mode does not allow the CPU to boost. (I've also noticed that at idle, my CPU temps plunge while in Eco mode.)

So if MSI Support isn't familiar with Sport mode... I guess it's a case of the left hand not knowing what the right is doing. Disappointing.

(This really wouldn't bother me so much if the MSI Dragon Center and MSI Afterburner played nicely together, but they don't. I could uninstall the Dragon Center and use Afterburner to overclock, but then I'd lose the ability to control the fans, make quick temperature checks, and quickly shift between power plans. Not ideal, especially the loss of control over the fans.)

 

Hey!!!

I just picked up one of these bad boys, and I'm debating on weather or not i should upgrade the stock NVMe SSD it came with. Would i see much of an improvement? I figure since it's already an M.2, it might not be worth the investment. Space isn't an issue for me, as i don't use much at all; I'm fine with the stock 128GB. Would the OS run much faster? I already upgraded the 2.5 HD to an SSD, and I'm throwing all my toys in that box.

So far, i love the machine, it's faster than my current desktop, but still small enough to take to classes with me. I've purged all the crap programs out of it (there was an excessive amount IMO), and it's been great.

Cheers!,
HANA9SO

 

Upgrading it may offer more performance but it is not necessary.
Run benchmark on your existing drive so you will have an idea how it performs. One of the best upgrades available for NVMe SSD is the Samsung 950 Pro.

 

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CrystalDiskMark 5.2.0 x64 (C) 2007-2016 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 539.001 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 488.634 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 250.580 MB/s [ 61176.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 166.325 MB/s [ 40606.7 IOPS]
Sequential Read (T= 1) : 487.178 MB/s
Sequential Write (T= 1) : 413.729 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 13.875 MB/s [ 3387.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 52.237 MB/s [ 12753.2 IOPS]

Test : 1024 MiB [C: 47.0% (55.4/117.9 GiB)] (x3) [Interval=5 sec]
Date : 2016/10/17 19:33:14
OS : Windows 10 [10.0 Build 14393] (x64)


These are the results from CrystalDiskMark, with the stock M.2. From what I'm researching, those results don't seem that great.

I checked the price on the 950 EVO, and i can't justify that price, unless it'll be a huge difference

 

Hey all,

I have just recently received my GS43VR. Its my first gaming laptop - not even had a gaming PC before and have come over from a history of consoles (sega master system, playstations, xb1)

I did quite a bit of research and this laptop ticked all my boxes.. Is there anything i need to do? I have removed Norton but installed McAfee as i use it on all my other laptops / devices. I have removed the Magix software and uninstalled a couple of other programs i dont need. I have got the latest version of windows 10 installed.

I mainly use it for VR as i have the Oculus Rift CV1 and it works great, able to play most games in high - ultra settings. I have Eve Valkyrie, Elite D, Project cars, Luckys tail, Gears of War and all look great. I am in sport mode in the dragon centre, have downloaded afterburner and rivatuner but not touched yet. I have also got Steam and have downloaded a cinema app from that which works great in VR.

I am looking to get a cooling pad just for when i use it the odd time on my lap and am looking at this;
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TeckNet-La...1476774274&sr=8-6&keywords=laptop+cooling+pad
Cheap but looks like it will do the job...

Future wise i guess it has scope to upgrade RAM to 32GB and swap out HDD for SSD, been looking towards a Samsung 850 pro but thats in the future...

Anyways, Hi all, i will keep an eye on the thread...

 

Thank you for this

I have done the same now and it worked for me also. One thing though... The audio driver that it downloads, do i need to do anything with that as after running the Nahimic exe file all works fine, i have extracted the audio driver but am unsure if i need to actually need to use this anywhere or does the exe file find and extract this itself once executed?

 

As far as I know, the X3 is actually quiet, and quieter than the GS43 on average (and the Blade obviously). I am basing that off the last version of the X3, and I can't do the same for the AW13 since it's an all-new machine and has gone through a massive change in terms of what TDP it can handle.

Keep in mind that the Core has a whole range of problems associated with it other than the crazy cost. For one, you have no guarantee it will even work with the GS43 unless someone has already tried and confirmed they can get it to work. Two, using TB3 adds latency on the order of 30ms, so if you enjoy fast-paced gaming like shooters, or VR, this is bad. There is some debate on whether this latency is only added when using the internal screen or not (i.e. when the display signal also has to travel back) but still, this is far from the hassle-free solution that I would consider investing another $1000 into. If you're set on the Core, I would get the Blade, since a) hopefully that is the combination they test thoroughly anyway and b) you would at least have some leverage over Razer in terms of making sure it works.

This was already mentioned as well but these two machines are nowhere near each other in terms of portability. The 502VM weights 5.5 lbs vs. 4 lbs for the GS43, and try to see it in-store (or the same body older GL502VT) because honestly when I saw it I realized just how huge it is. Because of G-sync, the battery life is also terrible.

Exactly. No one managed to squeeze a 980M into a 14", so it should be no surprise that no one managed with the 1070, its successor. The other options are the MSI GS30/32 (fingers crossed for new version soon, maybe with 1050 launch) with the x16 PCIe dock, and an Alienware with the graphics amplifier.

 

Any updates on the microstuttering situation? Are people still experiencing it and just dealing with it or is there a guaranteed fix aside from forcing the 1060 to run 24/7? Saw someone on the Razer sub reddit who mentioned having some lag in Windows 10 and wondering if it's an across the board GTX 1060/Windows 10 issue or what.

 

The Razer Core bottlenecked Maxwell GPUs by 5-10%. I'm not sure what the bottleneck is for Pascal GPUs, but it will only increase with every new GPU generation. I don't know the answers to your other questions. As @PMF said, you'll also have to make sure the Razer Core works with the GS43VR - it worked with the GS40, so I'm sure it can work with the GS43VR, but you may have to play around with it a bit. Search through the GS40 thread for posts on the Razer Core for ideas on how to set that up if you're going to buy a Razer Core. (But between the insane cost of buying the GS43VR + Razer Core + desktop GPU, the bottlenecking, the input lag/latency that's present at least when gaming on the internal screen, and the hassle of setting a Razer Core up on a non-Razer laptop, I wouldn't necessarily recommend buying a Razer Core and going this route - especially since your budget is limited.)

Welcome to the club! I upgraded my SSD to a 500GB 850 Evo (there's actually no SSD called the the "950 Evo", but there is a 950 Pro). I'll run a benchmark on it when I'm at home and let you know how it compares to your scores. What I can say for now is that the 850 Evo's performance is definitely a step up from the stock SSD, but I haven't noticed much of a difference in startup or load times compared to the stock SSD, so if you're primarily concerned with performance I'm not sure upgrading would be worth it. But I'll post benchmark results here for you to see.

Also, I must respectfully disagree with Kevin on getting a 950 Pro. The 850 Evo is cheaper, and in most real-world applications like gaming, there really isn't a performance difference between PCIe SSDs like the 950 Pro and top-model SATA SSDs like the 850 Evo. Here's a pretty good guide comparing the two types of SSDs: http://techreport.com/review/28032/a-fresh-look-at-storage-performance-with-pcie-ssds

Welcome to the lounge! Glad to hear the GS43VR is living up to its name and offering a decent VR experience. One thing I'd do is go into the MSI Dragon Center, and on the "System Tuner" tab, then uncheck the boxes under "Xboost." Those options trick the CPU into unnecessarily high usage states all the time and have been responsible for many owners who reporting having their CPU load at 100% even on idle. Other than that, it sounds like you get rid of the bloatware, so you should be good to go!

Not sure if you've seen this quoted post below, but it contains a number of methods that owners have used to get rid of micro-stuttering with various degrees of success. I'm not aware of any updates besides what's on this list.

 

So since I now have a decently-sized 500GB 850 Evo M.2 SSD, I took out the 1TB HDD for the time being and plan to put it in an enclosure for use as an external HDD for now. And wow, this machine is noticeably quieter now at idle (dead silent), it's a big contrast. I never fully appreciated how loud the HDD was until after I took it out.

Anyway, @Hana9so - here are the benchmark results of my 850 Evo, as promised. I used the default settings on CrystalDiskMark.

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CrystalDiskMark 5.2.0 x64 (C) 2007-2016 hiyohiyo
Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/
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* MB/s = 1,000,000 bytes/s [SATA/600 = 600,000,000 bytes/s]
* KB = 1000 bytes, KiB = 1024 bytes

Sequential Read (Q= 32,T= 1) : 548.739 MB/s
Sequential Write (Q= 32,T= 1) : 519.576 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 188.571 MB/s [ 46037.8 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 32,T= 1) : 157.721 MB/s [ 38506.1 IOPS]
Sequential Read (T= 1) : 508.333 MB/s
Sequential Write (T= 1) : 497.464 MB/s
Random Read 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 27.609 MB/s [ 6740.5 IOPS]
Random Write 4KiB (Q= 1,T= 1) : 56.336 MB/s [ 13753.9 IOPS]

Test : 1024 MiB [C: 41.5% (192.6/464.5 GiB)] (x5) [Interval=5 sec]
Date : 2016/10/20 0:18:34
OS : Windows 10 [10.0 Build 14393] (x64)
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Here's yours again:

So my 850 Evo outperforms the stock SSD in most categories, but not by anything drastic.

BTW here's a comparison of CrystalDiskMark scores for various SSDs that I came across, in case that's helpful to you: http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/samsung-850-evo-ssd-review,13.html

 

Finally installed windows 7 and the stuttering is gone. Hopefully I wont be missing any major features available only for Windows 10!

 

Yay!! for leaving Windows 10, Congratulations!! +rep!!

 

Oh, THANKS for the info!!! Yeah, i just don't see enough of a difference to justify the price if i don't need the space.

Hmm, that windows 7 idea about getting rid of the micro stutter issue is tempting. I mean, i like W10 (more than i thought i would); but that stutter is annoying. I'm hoping Nvidia comes out with a driver fix soon, as i'm seeing many others with the 1060 in laptops having the issue. (is there a possibility that optimus isn't even working on W7? as battery life is a concern to me; i need to take this thing to class with me)

 

Only feature I'd miss is games for windows. I just bought gow4 and it doesn't run nice at all. It's like the game know my hardware and won't change no matter what setting I change. I put it on ultra and it didn't change so I won't play it till it looks as it should rather than on low with some medium settings by default on my 960m, plus I have a Xbox elite controller to take advantage of customise able profiles. Been gone from my box friends since 2013. If it can be done on windows. This laptop would be more tempting. The only reason that's stop me purchasing this is price and these issues of stuttering and just 1080p otherwise I'd be all over this. I was going to get the gs40...then news got it pascal was coming in a month. So didn't bother...still pascal-less 3 months on


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You can "always" find something a particular computer hardware/software combination can't do. Instead of fighting against it's strength's, play to them instead

Many Windows Store games are going to be available off the Windows Store, GoW4 is likely not one of them, but that single failure isn't a good judge of a system / solution, it's an exception so it could be treated as an exception.

Run everything else the way you want to, instead of the way MS wants you to

 

Does anyone know a way to get rid of that pop-up every time you plug in headphones? Or is that just built into the system?

 

Hi @Prototime, you're welcome. To clarify, when I mentioned "unintended" I meant that the auto-overclocking feature was probably designed to work on other laptop models (specially laptops with "HK" CPUs) to overclock the CPU and GPU and not on our model GS43VR in the first place. I didn't mean that the auto-overclocking feature is unintended. And the fact that we have to change settings in Nvidia control panel or hooking up an external monitor for it to work further shows that this is a surprising discovery rather than a feature designed for our laptop model. If it was the latter, I bet MSI would have advertised it. Therefore, I wouldn't count on that MSI would spend too much effort in fixing it after the latest Windows 10 update broke it.

To answer your frustration about using the Dragon Center and Afterburner together, I just found that MSI has a fan control software called Silent Option where you can monitor and control the CPU and GPU fans and their temperatures. Download the V1.0.1603.3101 version for Skylake CPU here: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=255972.0

Although it wasn't advertised to work on the GS43VR, I have tested it and can confirm that its Advanced mode works on the GS43VR and its interface is exactly the same as the fan control interface on the Dragon Center. The Basic mode doesn't work. The Auto mode allows the laptop to controls the fans automatically based on temperature like the behavior you see when you don't have this software installed. So there you go, you can now safely uninstall Dragon Center and use this software to control the fans instead and use other software (Afterburner, Nvidia Inspector, etc) to overclock the GPU. This is the only MSI software I have installed on my laptop now.

 

Since this micro-stutter issue doesn't repeat itself on Windows 7, I think we can all agree that this issue is software related and not hardware related. So, the logical step to resolve this issue is to find a fix within Windows 10.

Someone online mentioned that micro-stutter issue could be related to a keyboard driver issue on Windows 10. I am following what he suggested and installed a tool to fix this issue. Will post again if this works.

 

Enjoy it while you can. With kaby lake comes the death of win7.

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That happened on an ultra book from Samsung that I used to own. It went away when I uninstalled the custom drivers that Samsung had put on the machine for the audio and went with stock drivers from realtek.

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The pop-up is controlled by the Realtek HD Audio Manager upon startup.

Go to Task Manger and disable Realtek HD Audio Manager in the Startup tab and then reboot. You shouldn't be prompted again.

 

so much for windows 7. stuttering returns.

 

Thanks for the weight comparison. If that's the case, I will compromise G-Sync for better portability and battery life since I have gotten close to G-Sync experience with RadeonPro already. Still, I will check it out in store just to see how G-Sync performs on the laptop.

I think G-Sync works better in panels with higher refresh rate (like 100Hz, 120Hz, etc.). For 60Hz panels like the one in GL502VM, G-Sync can only shows its tear-free/minimal input lag magic when FPS is below 60 (30 FPS - 60 FPS). As soon as the FPS tries to go above 60 and if V-Sync is set to On in Nvidia control panel, G-Sync's magic is gone and V-Sync will take over to lock the FPS to 60 to prevent tearing. However, input lag will return at the same time. Although of course, one can use frame limiter to lock the FPS to 59 to prevent V-Sync from kicking in.

If V-Sync is set to Off in the control panel and it tries to go above 60 FPS, G-Sync's magic is still gone but it will allow FPS to exceed 60 and input lag will be minimal. However, tearing will return.

Therefore, having a higher refresh rate G-Sync panel is better since a GTX 1060 can easily push FPS above 60 on most games at 1920 x 1080. It allows more room for G-Sync to show its magic before V-Sync kicks in or at least you can use frame limiter to limit to a higher FPS to prevent V-Sync from kicking in.

 

I agree with what your saying. It's just that I like win 10 better. There's more pros to it than to stick with 7 or 8.1 especially with the non support. It finds drivers better etc and better gaming performance. UI is cleaner and better than 8.1 though. I wouldn't write off hardware because of software. But I wouldn't want to go backwards to go forward cos I'll feel like a step behind if you know what I mean running an older os.
But ultimately I'd live with it as it is if it wasn't for the fact that I'm paying a 1080p screen at £1500. Qhd or 4K would of defo interested me. Aorus x3 is still too pricey despite all the things given at £1800. The AW13 should cost me about £1300 with qhd with or without discount I'm hoping and it shouldn't have stuttering forcing to downgrade os whilst waiting for a solution to remedy it. Part of the reason for upgrade IS to play games like gow4 properly. I bought it. I'm committed now, no going back from win 10 also on the verge of forms horizon 3 and future games that are all windows 10.
Sorry Windows 10 and Xbox together sold me. I'm selling out


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If it happens, too bad for Kaby Lake, not Windows 7/8.1

Windows 7/8.1 are valid, supposedly fully supported through 2020 / 2023.

Windows 10 only gets support for 2 years past Windows 8, support expires in 2025:

Windows lifecycle fact sheet
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/13853/windows-lifecycle-fact-sheet

MS better not renege on their original support commitments for Windows 7/8.1.

Kaby Lake better work with Windows 7/8.1, or they are going to have legal challenges to deal with along with lost reputation.

Microsoft has already fully extended support for Windows 7/8.1 for Skylake hardware.

After previously saying they weren't supporting Skylake on Windows 7/8.1, MS committed to fully support Skylake hardware, so I am hopeful MS and / or Intel will wake up in time.

 

The micro stuttering, how do you recognize it? By feel during game play? Or do you monitor for frame response times and note drops that way? What game(s) do you see this in?

Micro stuttering isn't simple frame drops, it's a specificly detectable occurence of response time drops.

It's there all the time for many games anyway no matter the OS, GPU or CPU, and I think many are too sensitive to this measurement.

I see micro-stuttering registering in games on youtube videos that aren't evident in the view of the game, and certainly not affecting gameplay.

It's nice to get rid of them I suppose, but it may be a bit OCD to chase the tail of that problem - enjoy the game

 

A single game is an odd way to decide to give in to tyranny at the mercy of a vendor that clearly has lost their way.

What non-support? MS fully support both Windows 7/8.1 through 2020/2023 up through Skylake, and after enough pressure is applied through the end of OS developments in those end years.

Windows 10 is a horrible buggy ever changing mess that forces updates on you whether they help or hurt your stability. You have no control, and that is no way to have a stable environment to work with.

But, if you want to fight with Windows 10 for control and stability, have fun

 

I'm pretty sure I heard this fact on npr. I haven't checked the internet though. But I'm fairly sure ms is trying to kill win7. Now I have to go look it up....

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https://fossbytes.com/intel-kaby-lake-and-amd-zen-processors-wont-support-windows-7-8/

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Yes, and I can post dozens of posts that quoted MS saying they weren't going to support Skylake as well, and now MS does, Intel too.

Will it be the same for Kaby Lake?, maybe not, will it change for the next turn of CPU's, who knows.

Either way, if MS aren't going to keep their contractual agreement to fully support Windows 7/8.1 through EOL for new hardware, then that's on MS and Intel - who MS requested drop support of Windows 7/8.1.

I'm sure Intel would be happier selling new hardware to everyone, rather than excluding previous happy customers that want to continue with Intel - but now they are being told they can't.

Now, we have to decide if we are going to support MS not meeting their obligation to us.

I choose not to support MS, and not buy Kaby Lake from Intel.

I will support Intel and the other hardware vendors if they break from MS and follow through on providing hardware support drivers for beyond Skylake hardware.

In fact I'll make a point of it

From 2017 Kaby Lake release, MS reneging on 6 years of useful life of Windows 8, and 3 years of useful life of Windows 7, is an abandonment of their customers, MS needs to wake up and see this for what it is, a breach of trust.

 

Yea I think the only neg I have on windows 10 IS JUST the forced updates. I try to limit that by putting metered connection on and try to game on wireless.
lol it's not one game for the change. It's pretty much the whole Xbox thing and the games to come. I just don't need to buy an Xbox and keep the need for my power laptop. With the Xbox Scorpio. It's only going to get better because it's designed to be comparable to pc gaming. It's hardware is up there. Can't remember how strong. Somewhere between 1070 and 1080 so you can only imagine what type of games can be done off that which is pure excitement for me. But not for my wallet and Volta. No console is out doing my laptop. But if it was say 1060 inside. You would need a 1070 just to match the same gaming experience.
A 1060 is already not enough for my needs (long enough term) says a 960m user that was very impressed with a 970m.


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The microstuttering is happening in Windows, not games. From everything I understand gaming is not the issue as that is obviously using the nvidia card, it happens with optimus in Windows when loading an application or program that makes the computer switch to the nvidia GPU. It should be a pretty obvious thing in Windows when it happens as it sounds like your whole machine locks up for a second or 2, your mouse freezes and then things continue working until it happens again. I don't think it's an issue of anyone being too sensitive to anything, from everything I've read it happens in the OS and you cannot tell me you'd want everything locking up for a couple seconds when you do certain things.

 

Glad it's helped! I'm not entirely sure the answer to your question, but I did as you did and haven't had any further audio issues, so I think it's safe to say that you don't need to worry about using the driver anywhere else.

Thank you, Silent Option is a fantastic find! I'd again give you +rep if the forum would let me. This is exactly what is needed to ditch the Dragon Center entirely, which I've now done. I'm glad that it stays in the system tray and includes temp info on the CPU and GPU too. A shame that "Basic" mode doesn't work, but I never used it in the Dragon Center anyway, and it's easy enough to mimic the Dragon Center's "Cooler Boost" max fan mode by going into Advanced and raising the leftmost slider to max. Now I'm using SilentOption and Afterburner together without issue, and I won't bother with MSI support any further.

Agreed, this has been my understanding as well (though I've been one of the lucky ones who isn't suffering from this issue). Maybe one or two people have complained about stuttering in games, but the vast majority of complaints concern micro-stuttering with general usage, including doing things as simple as typing posts on this forum. At least in most cases, it appears to be an Optimus-related issue, given that the microstuttering diminishes or disappears when owners are gaming or implement workarounds to keep the dGPU on, such as leaving setting the dGPU as the default preferred GPU in the Nvidia Control Panel, or just leaving Nvidia Control Panel open in the background. It would be really nice if MSI or Nvidia released a fix for this issue, but I'm not holding my breath.

Has anyone tried reaching out to MSI Support lately on the micro-stuttering issue? I suspect that won't get you far individually, but maybe if enough people complain, they'll figure out a way to have the issue addressed with a software fix.

 

The thing that worries me is I have not seemed to see these issues reported on other brands 10xx series laptops. I mean I do not go out of my way reading every other forum and thread like I am for MSI and Razer right now but I have not heard people complaining about the Asus laptops or anything else. People with the new Razer Blade do not seem to be having the issue, I only saw one thread on reddit that sounded like they might be having that issue and I linked them back to the MSI threads here but I can't help but wonder if it's an MSI issue if none of the other brands customers are reporting these same issues?

Another thing I'd be interested in is seeing is a video of these issues happening. Trying to look around I only see videos on youtube of people having stuttering issues in games on older laptops and it's not the same issue as what's going on here. I'd love if someone could record their desktop even using a cell phone or something and replicate the issue to even see what it looks like.

 

There's no pattern of this stuttering issue. Last night I used the laptop for an hour - web browsing and some typing- with no stuttering at all and this morning as soon as I opened the laptop, stuttering came back and it was quite frequent, 3-4 times every minute. So I guess, unless something comes directly from MSI, this will remain forever.

 

MS is trying to force everyone onto Windows 10, it's been clear for quite a while, we have been tracking and commenting on it on NBR, check out the many posts here:

Windows 10
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10.762434/

And, tracking MS's shenanigans on Windows 7/8 here:

Windows7/8 - Updates to hide to prevent Windows 10 Upgrade / Disable Telemetry
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-windows-10-upgrade-disable-telemetry.780476/

There are many other threads, but those are a couple of good ones

 

That's not technically "micro-stuttering", but simple glitching and freezing at the desktop.

It's something that must be very annoying, Optimus is likely to blame in some aspect contributing to the problem.

Has anyone removed their HDD and gone SSD only? Did it stop the glitching?

Does globally setting preference to the Nvidia GPU help, reduce the glitching?

I thought disabling the two MSI Dragon Gaming Center boost features stopped the high CPU problem which was thought to contribute to the glitching, shown disabled in this Linus Tech Tips video at 4:50 (see 4:00-5:00 for the whole explanation):



A combination of Nvidia Preferred + disabling these 2 boost options, and rebooting, seems to help. There may be more tweaks to remove Optimus switching all the time. And, there may be HDD sleep / spinup issues too - set power option for disk sleep to 0 (never).

Good luck

 

Some users like @rondocap have said that yes, going into the Nvidia Control Panel and setting the "Preferred graphics processor" as the "High-performance Nvidia Processor" does indeed keep the micro-stuttering (or glitching) from happening.

I had only heard that disabling the XBoost options in the Dragon Center solved the 100%-CPU-usage-bug, but that's interesting if true. Any GS43VR owner see any improvement with microstuttering after taking these steps? It's worth a shot, considering those options should be disabled anyway to avoid unnecessarily high CPU usage.

Interesting. I've rarely used the HDD, and recently I took it out entirely. Perhaps that has something to do with why I haven't had to deal with the micro-stuttering issue like many other GS43VR owners.

 

It's one of the go to first things to change in the power options when you have an HDD to deal with, setting the HDD Sleep option in the Advanced settings of the Power plan's you use keeps the drive spinning so you don't need to wait for it to spin up when accessed.

That setting also keeps the HDD generating heat, so it's better to just replace the HDD with an SSD, asap.

I forget what the default sleep time is, but I think it's 10-20 seconds, which means it's spinning down all the time, which means you are typically going to have to wait for it to spin up most of the time on the first access.

That wake up time can be directly connected to "freeze" time on the desktop, or in apps / games.

 

Hey guys,

I've been using the laptop as my main work driver (I use software that use the 4 cores), and so far its been better than I initially thought. In order to avoid the right fan blowing heat at my hand, I turned off the gpu fan (when not gaming of course), and made the CPU fan stay on at 30%. I changed the HD with a SSD Crucial MX300 525GB, and the stock m2 SSD with a Sandisk X400 of 500GB. Total one TB of SSD goodness.

I noticed some black-light bleed, but nothing really terrible. Been over a month and just noticed it.

Gaming has been great also, Dark Souls 3 runs most times at 60fps, and temps hit mid80s max. Now I want to upgrade 16GB ram with 32gb ram. Not for gaming but because I use huge datasets and I get to 90% memory. Any suggestions? Maybe @Prototime know.

Also the micro-stuttering is completely gone... when I have the computer screen on. When I am using an external screen and just display in an external display, there is micro-stuttering galore in Windows (not while gaming). I am using the right HDMI, port I ordered this adapter ( https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00XDRUXJ0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1) and will test if the mini display port connection gives me the same problem.

Anyone has micro stuttering while using the computer in an external display and the laptop screen is off?

(PD: I also bought this laptop sleeve, its really really good, and fits the laptop perfectly, really recommended: https://www.amazon.com/Inateck-Prot...&keywords=inateck+14+inch+laptop+sleeve&psc=1)

 

I've been playing Overwatch on here and been seeing temps go up to about 86C. That seem too high to be safe? should i be using it on a cooling pad?

 

This temperature is perfectly safe unless it gets to 90C+, but if you are concerned you can use a notebook cooler to help with airflow.

 

That's really interesting, I Think you're the first to report having micro-stuttering on an external display at all, let alone only on an external display. The Mini DisplayPort and HDMI port are both wired to the dGPU, so it's surprising you're having stuttering when using an external display; others here have indicated that the stuttering seems to occur because of dGPU/iGPU switching, but that shouldn't be occurring on the external display. Out of curiousity, what is your setting in the Nvidia Control Panel for "Preferred graphics processor"? Does changing that setting diminish the stuttering when on an external display, or create stuttering when on the internal display?

Also, as for your RAM question: if you aren't too picky about brand, I've used Crucial's RAM and SSD Advisor Tool to find compatible RAM before (though not for the GS43VR, as 16GB is all I need for now). Here's their page for the GS43VR: http://www.crucial.com/usa/en/compatible-upgrade-for/MSI(MicroStar)/gs43vr-6re-phantom-pro

It's not too high to be safe, though it could be cooler, and investing in a cooling pad wouldn't hurt. I personally game with my GS43VR sitting on a metal mesh laptop stand, and I've noticed that it makes quite a bit of difference - about 5 C cooler compared to gaming on a flat wooden surface. Also, are you playing with Vsync enabled, or using another program like MSI Afterburner-RivaTuner to limit the FPS your display's refresh rate (maybe +1 or -1)? Either one should help keep thermals in line.

 

I would check VSync or limiting frames as well. Limiting the game to the same frame rate as your monitor will keep it from working harder than needed, and keep temps lower. But I'd agree 80s C aren't ideal, but not harmful. Anything you can do to help cooling is generally not a bad idea though.

 

All my 6 laptops have run hotter than 86 C - mostly topping 90+ . None of them has suffered a premature death.

 

I have Vsync turned on, and have it frame capped at 60 FPS. I'm just maxing everything on it!!!

 

Hi @Prototime I tried both the graphics card as auto, and always use the NVIDIA card, and both options give me the stuttering, pretty bad. No change among them. It was to the point the NVIDIA logo in the options would go super slow spinning around. Any ideas?

I have to keep the laptop screen on for the stuttering to go away, I just turn down the brightness and pretend its "off". That knocks me a couple of fps (around 2 in dark souls 3) but better than nothing.

Thanks for the RAM I think I will settle for the Ballistix, if the cheaper I've seen around. ( https://www.amazon.com/Ballistix-16...34620&sr=1-2&keywords=32gb+ram+ddr4+ballistix)

@Hana9so as for the cooling, I put my laptop on a laptop stand and that should prevent it from overheating. Since most of the surface of the laptop is above my desk. I think with this it should be enough.

 

Hey there, I'm completely new here. I bought the laptop a month ago, and have been having a blast with it, with the one annoying thing being the noise. But that is to be expected, so nothing new under the sun. Haven't even had the need to change the storage options, as these come with 250 gb ssds here in Europe.

I did however just wake up to this ugly dent in the keyboard frame. I have no idea what could've caused it. The issue is that I can't find a replacement frame, or even a guide on how to replace it. I bet you guys are better at googling than I am, so if you have any clue how to fix this by myself/replace, it'd be really helpful.

Thank you for your time, here is a picture of the issue: